Deep Breath

[Anonymous @]

Just a thought. What happened to the TARDIS that 11 and Idris built? I know House deleted the old control room but does that mean TARDIS v2.0 was destroyed as well or is it still out there, floating about in space and slowly going mad from isolation?

Idris gave part of her ‘essence’ in order to get it working so would TARDIS v2.0 feel the same about The Doctor as she did, ie husband/boyfriend/partner?

[Anonymous @]

@tardis.Pilot – The meta-crisis Doctor (you know, the Doctor/Donna hybrid) was also a regeneration which make Matt’s Doctor the 13th and last incarnation prior to being granted an extra set of regenerations.

The Smith Doctor actually explained this in Time of The Doctor. I suggest that it’s you that’s not been paying attention.

As for ratings falling dramatically, the ratings have always fluctuated from week to week – not just with the new series but also during the original series. Excluding overseas viewers, The Day of The Doctor was one of the most watched programmes of 2013 and the simulcast/cinema release was so successful that the BBC decided to do it again with Deep Breath.

You complain about @craig insulting you and then insult him which is the classic response from a Troll who’s been rumbled.

As one of Peter Capaldi’s previous characters would say, F**kity bye!

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@tardis.Pilot

Two hints for the future.

1. Watch The Time of The Doctor before making any more comments about regenerations.

2. Read this page.

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

Bluesqueakpip

1) Yes i have watched “The Time of The Doctor” many times in fact, thanks for ignorant assumption,

2) Yes, read this page, how does this apply to me? or are you confusing the “F**kity bye!” of FatMan with me?

[Craig @craig Emperor]

@tardis-pilot So there is obviously no point in debating with you if you can’t even take on board a major plot point from an episode you’ve seen ‘many times’.

I will not be engaging with you again. But enjoy your time here.

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

FatManinABox

But the Doctor/Donna hybrid was not A Doctor Regen, (he did not die, but if you use that logic, you could say he also had a regen when he was shot by a dalek and regened then as well (he was saved by his severed hand in a jar)

 

And I know I will need to explain to you the fact that the Ratings speak for themselves, they DRAMATICALLY FELL when moffat took over,

I shouldn’t need to spell out the fact that any type of Doctor Who Special will always get more viewers, (I’m not sure if you are dumb to the facts, or grasping?)

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

Yes, Craig if believing that makes you feel better, then go,

[Whisht @whisht]

quite frankly I think trolling was far better before Moffat took over (tsk).

Aaaaaaanyway…. lots of new people on the threads and people I recognise from before, and I really shouldn’t single anyone out, but welcome @flirtingdinosaur – that was a really great first post! (and quite frankly makes my first post here look a little pathetic! 🙂 )

I wonder how many others are similar to you in that having watched the show quickly back-to-back recently, has meant that you don’t have a ‘specific’ Doctor. I’m guessing a lot of people will have memories of watching from childhood and then getting back into it sometime recently, but that a childhood Doctor will be ‘their’ Doctor (with all the prejudices that brings).

When you mention watching the Girl in The Fireplace you say that you feel there was something you didn’t discover. I’ve just re-watched (its a wet day in London!) and was reminded how good an episode it was, but I’m intrigued as to what you felt was missing – especially as there’s probably a connection to it and the current storyline!
I rarely pick up on stuff so I wonder what I’m missing!

Completely agree with the poignancy of the “you just don’t see me” at the end of Deep Breath – it was brilliant.

anyway – welcome!

[Juniperfish @juniperfish]

Hello Dear Emperor @craig

Sorry to see that a new arrival is speaking to you so very rudely, you who have set up these wonderful boards with your own care, time and attention and created such a lovely space for us all.

If people can’t behave courteously, we really don’t need them here in my view!

Thank you for all you do – you are appreciated x

[Anonymous @]

@tardis.Pilot — I’m going to regret interacting with an obvious troll — and frankly the sooner you get bored and go away again, the better for all concerned — but two points…

1. Ratings haven’t fallen under Moffat’s tenure. Not even slightly. They have, in fact, gone up when time and region adjustments are taken into account — a growing necessity in the changing digital world, especially with a global brand like Who.

2. The rest of your arguments seem to stem from a position of significant ignorance about major recent plot points. Why not go and watch the episodes in question before leaping in and making a fool of yourself like this?

 

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

LOL, rudely,

Does not compute……

 

So, wait it must be a local custom thing you humans have right?

(When in Rome and all that….)

Then i give you three a warm “You are but Trolls” welcome, and many many , F**kity byes,

 

🙂

 

 

Do i get my jacket now?………….

 

(btw: great groveling Juniperfish (in fact never seen it done that way, I doubt you have a shred of self-respect), and if he accepts your gratuitous butt kissing I’m out of here, I don’t want to be involved with that type of forums……it would say much about the company kept,)

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

JimTheFish

You need to do your homework troll (I mean that nicely, as is the customary welcome)

 

 

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@tardis-pilot

Before you go, can you tell me – is it hard to type with one hand?

🙂

[FiveFaces @fivefaces]

Apologies if this point has been made already, but something struck me as a parallel between Deep Breath and The Eleventh Hour: in both cases, a key point comes when someone is asked to see the Doctor for who he really is. In The Eleventh Hour he’s literally standing right in front of a giant eyeball, asking the Atraxi to recognise him as Earth’s protector; that’s his ‘I’m the Doctor’ moment, big and brash and lots of pumped up music. Capaldi, by contrast, is asking, with quiet desperation, one young woman to see beyond his appearance and recognise the person beneath. It makes for an interesting parallel. In both regeneration stories, Moffat was keen to get us to see the new Doctor as the Doctor, but he handles it in such different ways.

[Arbutus @arbutus]

Isn’t it lovely to have something new to talk about?   ☺))  Just finished my first rewatch, so much to like here. I’m going to split up my post because it is insanely long!

I really enjoyed the whole opening scene, beginning with sepia toned London as a background to Vastra’s green face. “It just laid an egg!” “Your grasp of biology troubles me.” The Doctor’s intensity, confusion intermixed with sudden bursts of energy, the cloister bell chiming as he falls to the ground, Vastra’s “Here we go again”.

I still like the new theme. It is definitely more restrained the the previous AG themes, but I don’t mind that. I agree with whoever it was (maybe @whisht?) who said that the final deep chiming note could have been more aggressive, it does kind of disappear. But other than that I was pretty pleased with the whole thing. I love the bell chimes to go along with the clock theme, very appropriate and they add an element of urgency.

I do understand those in various places who have complained about the lack of action in this story, or said “boring”. I didn’t find it boring, but it is a contemplative episode. As others have said, it had a lot to accomplish. I expect that some fans would have preferred to skip the new-doctor-character-building stuff and just get into an adventure. I really liked the fact it chose instead to focus on the characters and this fairly momentous issue of regeneration and what it means.

I actually find Clara’s difficulties perfectly believable, much more than Rose’s were in the same situation. I suspect that Rose’s easy acceptance of Ten was perhaps more as a new man than as the same one she had known. He had quite a different personality, less prickly and more attractive, and she probably just accepted that and moved on. She didn’t seem to ever really deal with the notion of mourning the previous Doctor, even though she had developed such a close bond with him. As humans, part of our understanding of people is based on what they look like, their eyes, their smile, their voice. If all of these things suddenly changed in someone close to me, it would feel as if that person were gone.

[Arbutus @arbutus]

Vastra really did get awfully sniffy with Clara, but we can perhaps put it down to being protective of the Doctor. I did like her explanation of the Eleventh Doctor’s tendency to flirt with everyone. Some of us used to grumble a bit about that, and it was nice to see it addressed with a believable explanation. At least, it was believable to me based on my own thoughts about the post-Time War Doctor’s character development. I suspect the Doctor has now moved on from a desire for acceptance!

I enjoyed the look at the domestic life of the Paternoster trio. I know some people don’t care for Strax, but I’m sure the kids must love him. Enviable spleen, well done! And I couldn’t help laughing when the newspaper smacked Clara, it was predictable but well executed. And I must say, it was nice to see Clara in a bustle again! She looks great as a Victorian.

By the way, @janetteb, I think you have absolutely nailed the Vastra/Jenny relationship, well done. And I really like @bluesqueakpip’s notion that “home” for the Doctor is Victorian London, with Vastra and Co. as his family.

[Devilishrobby @devilishrobby]

@tardis.Pilot All I have to say or rather do is say that I feel rather sad and pity you if all you have to do is sit and criticise something you obviously cannot or have not taken the time to at least research properly, you obviously have a slight understanding of some of the precepts of the who universe but are showing massive gaps in what are relative recent events in the show.
As our emperor @craig has set up this site for those of us who are true fans. Yes we may criticise the show or an episode from time to time but usually there is some well thought out reasoning to our dislikes. But in the main we are at least polite in our critisms.

Ps my apologies to the grammar Daleks among us I make no pretenses at being an English literature major 🙂 .

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

@tardis-pilot

But don’t try to label me a troll because you disagree

You are being labelled a troll because that is what you are – either that or you have the shortest attention span in the known universe and the memory of particularly advanced case of Alzheimer’s – you can remember things from over thirty years ago, but not the previous episode. Classic Alzheimer’s.

Perhaps if you actually tried watching the show occasional you would not look quite such an imbecile.

[Arbutus @arbutus]

But of course, the highlight is the new Doctor, and he is amazing. We knew that Capaldi was a fan, and it is obvious here that he really gets the Doctor and who he is. I saw so many little moments that reminded me of earlier Doctors, but in subtle ways: hints of Tom Baker and Troughton in the restaurant scene, Smith and Eccleston when he was rescuing Clara from the cyborgs. The scene with Half-Face Man when he talked about preferring the view from below felt very Tennant-like. I suspect we will see more of these moments in episodes to come. And I felt as if we were really seeing Capaldi-Doctor break out in the moment he left Vastra’s house through the window: “ME!”

The alley scene with the Doctor’s exploration of his new persona was beautiful. Attack eyebrows. Scottish. Full of lines but I didn’t do the frowning. Nice writing here and flawlessly executed. And the restaurant scene, starting calmly enough with a bit of humour and some relationship development, and then suddenly takes an ominous turn. I think I really understood that we were in new territory at the moment when the Doctor calmly and deliberately abandoned Clara to the cyborgs. There was no, “I promise I’ll be back for you” as we would have had from Eleven. This was cold.

I thought that Half Face Man was very well played. I loved how he sounded and looked increasingly human throughout. He was a great foil for Capaldi. I loved the momentary lost look on the Doctor’s reflection as he said, “You probably can’t even remember where you got that face from.” And: “Your friend is intelligent. He’ll know better than to follow me.” With the Doctor, hanging on from beneath, such a quintessential moment. And for what it’s worth, I think he jumped.

The ninja fight in the restaurant lost me a bit, but fortunately was really only included in snippets to ramp up the tension and contrast with the Doctor’s quiet tete a tete with Half Face Man. You know, call me stupid, but the Vastra-Jenny kiss didn’t even register as a kiss with me, until I started reading other people’s view of it. People are touchy, aren’t they?

I loved the Glasgow scene, so well played by everyone. I realize that Eleven’s phone call served another purpose, allowing Twelve to remind Clara that he didn’t have to listen in on the call, he made the call, saying, essentially, I am he and he is me.

[FiveFaces @fivefaces]

Another possible source for theorising: what are the past mistakes that the new Doctor is intending to do something about? One guess, perhaps to fit a ‘darker’ Doctor is the ‘Have I that right?’ moment from Genesis of the Daleks. Are there any big mistakes that we’ve already seen in the show that the Doctor is going to revisit?

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@arbutus – yes, it’s a character based episode. The central ‘mystery’ is actually the B plot. In a not dissimilar way to Day of the Doctor, it’s a subplot designed to get us to reflect on what might turn out to be the central theme of this series.

Namely – is a man who’s changed his body so many times, still the same man?

The other point that might run through is the after-effects from The Day of The Doctor. The Doctor might have found a way out of destroying Gallifrey, but he’s still the man who was prepared to murder 2 billion children.

Why has he got that face? It’s appeared two times in the Whoniverse. Once it appeared as a face of a man that the Doctor was prepared to leave to die – until Donna stopped him. The second time it appeared as the face of a man who ended up killing his own children rather than hand them over to become a drug supply for aliens.

And you could well say that ‘Children of Earth’ is the story of what happened when the Doctor didn’t intervene. When he, presumably, followed the rules about not interfering. I don’t know if he knows about John Frobisher, but I wonder if he’s somehow going to find out.

So he’s wearing the face of a man he saved – and a man he didn’t save.

[Craig @craig Emperor]

@arbutus and everyone else. The kiss between Jenny and Vastra is interesting because in the leaked version of the episode (headed for South America) they didn’t kiss. Vastra got close to Jenny and then blew oxygen into her mouth from a few inches away.

They obviously shot two versions. I wonder if some countries or regions got the non-kiss version?

[Arbutus @arbutus]

Missy????? I really don’t know what I think. When she is talking about the Doctor, I can believe that she is somehow a personification of the TARDIS. But right at the end the tone changes, and she definitely feels like a baddy at that point. Then, I can buy her as the Master. But would the Master have said that the Doctor is never cruel to him/her? That seems out of character. He loves me, maybe, but never cruel? And if this is a baddy, I’m not sure how that fits with being the woman in the shop.

@serahni   What could a clock that size be hiding if a small pocketwatch can contain one Time Lord?   Oh, I like this. I am now imagining the Doctor opening the clock and every Time Lord on Gallifrey somehow reappearing!

@confusedpolarity   If he keeps this up, he’ll be the most “The Doctor” anyone has been in my eyes since Doctor Tom himself. Yes, I’m feeling exactly the same way.

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

IAAmNotAFish, Go look up they word irony, then go reread the thread who called who a troll (in order btw, seems if that is something wrong there are more than a few hypocrite here, )

Bluepipsqueak, you know i thought that about you as well, but I was to polite to say so, seems you lack shame, good luck with that,

(see, now i see you in man on man porn, yuk….unless thats your thing right?, kissing ass is not a million miles away from sucking ……er…..Richard,)

 

 

I need to go bleach my brain, later……

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@tardis-pilot    I think you will find it is your tone that people object to, not so much your opinion. On this forum, people deal with each other respectfully. Coming on and announcing that you found the forum by searching the internet for crap? That you signed up merely to tell us that it was crap? Not “here is what I thought about it” but “it’s crap.” Your nasty remarks to @juniperfish, who didn’t even address you?

By the way, the double regeneration didn’t create the meta crisis Doctor. It allowed the Tenth Doctor to partially regenerate, saving his life without changing his face. The excess energy was channeled into the hand, which later created the half human Doctor clone. Like it or not, this is not a matter of opinion, it is fact, taken directly from the show itself and mentioned specifically in Time of the Doctor.

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@craig – it wouldn’t surprise me. If you remember, Torchwood had to switch US networks because the first one didn’t want a bisexual lead.

In the case of Torchwood, that was a non-negotiable and they moved network. In the case of Doctor Who, I imagine they’d be more prepared to make cuts as appropriate. After all, the BBC used to cut Buffy when they broadcast it pre-watershed.

In the UK the kiss was, just barely, pre-watershed. It would probably come under the ‘gentle transition to adult material’ remit. It’s also explicable as, errr, mouth to mouth for parents who really get hot under the collar about such things. 😉

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@fivefaces   Whoever she is, the idea that Missy might have put the Doctor into that situation to find out whether he is capable of killing is rather neat.

@bluesqueakpip    Interesting point about the two previous owners of the Twelfth Doctor’s face. I agree that “saving people” must somehow be the connection, especially given that Gallifrey has been saved but not yet restored.

@craig   I didn’t know there were two versions. The iTunes version that I saw was definitely a kiss. It was only my interpretation that saw it as less of a kiss, and more of what Nine did to save Rose (which interestingly enough didn’t seem to bother anyone, although I could be misremembering that as it was a long time ago and I was less internet-connected back then!).

[Devilishrobby @devilishrobby]

Lol @craig re the non issue of the kiss , well for me anyway “so what” is my attitude but that may come from my own orientation. Yes the producers of the show came up with a justification for the kiss/oxygen exchange but as I say who really cares, oh yes those ultra conservative bigots who in all probability think the show is the spawn of satan.

Oops sorry if I have offended anyone :-s

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@bluesqueakpip     Interestingly, mouth-to-mouth is pretty much what it was, allowing for the fact that one might well apply that aid to one’s wife in a, shall we say, stylistically different manner than one would to a stranger on the street?  🙂

[wolfweed @wolfweed]

Post 30230 is disgusting.

Simon Cowell should have better things to do with his time.

[Devilishrobby @devilishrobby]

@wolfweed oh lol o lol

[ScaryB @scaryb]

Hi everyone!

*waves and bounces around overenthusiastically!*

Great to see loads of old friends back and posting and lots of newbies as well.  Some great posts, and thanks to everyone who has shown tolerance of other people’s views, even if they disagree with them. Anyone who wants to hurl abuse at individual forum members or individuals on the production team, can f*ck right off.

Right – the episode… I thought it was aces!

I loved the fact that the Doctor is post-regenerative manic, forgetful, unpredictable (will he come back for Clara, did he push/persuade Half face to jump, did he steal the tramp’s jacket…?), very alien… and yet very much the doctor from his first head round the door moment. I liked how he was very different by the end as the regeneration was settling down – much more in control, remembering, yet still vulnerable. The need in all of us to be liked (even if he’s not going to flirt or hug (unless it’s a dinosaur!) to get it).

I could be very picky and say maybe a little bit long, eg the Strax/Clara medical scene was a bit of obvious padding, but I loved being in this world. And as @blenkinsopthebrave and @arbutus and others have wished for – this was a “small” story – no big universe/all of time and space about to explode type plots. A plea for acceptance of the inner “unveiled” selves – to see and value the inner core of people (and lizards), not judge them for their outward appearance.

Clara – looks like she’s been “rebooted” in some ways as well. When she jumped into the Doctor’s timestream to be split into millions of claricles, that was before 11 was granted more regenerations. The claricles can ret-con older stories but these post-eleven regenerations are new territory for her as well. She knows all of the doctor’s faces up to and including 11. But she has no ideas about Capaldi.  Hence the reason she has so much difficulty adapting to him.

I had a theory that the reason for the face was just to remind himself that he had been given a second chance – in Fires… his character was supposed to die but was given another life by the Doctor.  And then @bluesqueakpip mentioned John Frobisher – do Torchwood stories count in the Whoniverse?

Off to finish reading thro everyone’s comments, skimmed thro most before posting – great stuff.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and we’re off again for another series of bonkering*

*copyright @blenkinsopthebrave

 

 

[Craig @craig Emperor]

@devilishrobby Complete non-issue for me either. When I read the script I thought “Oh, they’re squeezing a sort of kiss in there for the first time”. Then I saw the leaked episode and thought they’d bottled out. Glad they didn’t.

I just thought it interesting that they may have felt they had to play safe in other territories.

Or maybe they didn’t. I’d be interested to hear from anyone elsewhere who didn’t see a kiss. Not for prurient reasons, but because it gives an interesting insight into how Doctor Who is sold around the world.

I didn’t watch much of Torchwood so what @bluesqueakpip says is very interesting, from a behind-the-scenes point of view. I didn’t know that, and it helps put the show in some kind of cultural context around the globe.

[wolfweed @wolfweed]

Deleted scenes…

[ScaryB @scaryb]

@wolfweed

That’s (another) new keyboard you owe me!

*splutter*

😆

 

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@scaryb    Yes, that is the question regarding Torchwood. I wondered about that as well. Obviously, Torchwood exists in the Whoniverse. But I imagine that Moffat and Co. would be wary of too much specific referencing of a show that not all Who-watchers have seen. We all know Captain Jack, so if he shows up in an episode with some of his Torchwood friends, that’s not really a problem. Ditto Sarah Jane and Luke. Sarah Jane had appeared in AG Who previously, so viewers could be expected to know her. I suppose a one-off reference to a Torchwood character isn’t really a problem, but personally I don’t think that they should make too much of a character from a spin-off show that many haven’t seen (including, presumably, the children in the audience!). But we shall see.

Regarding the kiss. Does anyone remember if there was much fuss about the Jack Harkness/Ninth Doctor kiss? I remember thinking that was rather cool, but I saw all but the first few of the Ninth Doctor episodes well after the fact, and so wasn’t really aware of public opinion. Given that that was undeniably a kiss (and couldn’t be explained away as an kind of first aid!) I suppose it must have been an issue for some people as well?

[FiveFaces @fivefaces]

@Develishrobby and many others, on the kiss: One thing I liked was (if I recall correctly) Jenny pointing out that the significant thing here is not that she’s married to a woman, but that she’s married to a lizard. Now, some of my best friends are reptiles, but I have to say that if one of my daughters ever told me she wanted to marry a lizard from the dawn of time, I’m not sure my first question would be, ‘Yes, but is it a boy lizard, or a girl lizard?’

[Devilishrobby @devilishrobby]

@wolfweed oh that’s classic and the frightening thing is I actually remember the advert. @fivefaces lol you know I’d almost forgotten that aspect hehe

[PhaseShift @phaseshift Time Lord]

@craig

That’s interesting about the slightly different version. I know it’s sold in some pretty conservative territories and always wondered how viscous the edit scissors were. I’m thinking predominantly of the recent acquisition of series 5-7 by Al Jazzera for broadcast across the Middle East.

A casual look at a couple of the multiple threads on the G (Christ – they went to town didn’t they) revealed a fair few people who seemed to bang on about it non-stop in a “typical left wing liberal propaganda forcing gayness down our throats, etc” way. Absolutely bemuses me.

[PhaseShift @phaseshift Time Lord]

Maybe we need an easily insertable graphic to warn our valuable posters that they are about to encounter a troll post. A quick edit, insert the graphic, and Bob’s your Auntie?

I thought:

But any suggestions welcome.

[Arkleseizure @arkleseizure]

I’ve been trying to marshal my thoughts on this, but I still haven’t, so I thought I’d give my incoherent ramblings instead. Here goes:

My first reaction was somewhat underwhelmed, but I was watching it on my brother’s tiny telly, having gone to meet my new nephew, and I can remember wishing I was in the cinema. It would have been awesome there. Rewatching it on iPlayer has helped confirm that with me. The tyrannosaurus was brilliantly realised, and I can quite accept a gigantic dinosaur that left no fossils. I’ll take Vastra’s word for it.

The new title sequence is great, although to my mind not quite as great as the fan art it was based on. The music is OK, at least an improvement on the Smith-era music, which is the only thing about his era I never liked.

Capaldi was brilliant, nailing a new character who is clearly the Doctor, but a new take on him. As I saw it, he wanted Clara to think he’d abandoned her so that Half-Face would have hopes that she would betray him. Shades of McCoy there.

I think I enjoyed Clara here more than at any point since Snowmem (perhaps being a sort of pseudo-Victorian Clara helped), but Jenna Coleman was excellent. I’ve always been a bit lukewarm about Clara, but not about Jenna, and I think maybe I can now rave about them both.

I’ve always loved the Paternoster Gang, and they were on top form here. I objected to the thick Sontarans in Time, because I like to think of Strax as a one-off mistake in Sontaran cloning who is himself hilarious. It was also nice to see a bit moe of Jenny (nudge-nudge).

The overall plot was a good, straightforward story. I really liked the dinosaur giving Twelve his first really Doctorish moment by noticing that its death was just another crime among many. Only the Doctor would see the latest victim being a dinosaur as an irrelevant detail.

I’ve got some thoughts about the future, notably about how the Doctor’s new face is his mind subconsciously trying to remind him of something, but I will leave those for a later post. I can never give full marks to a story I didn’t love first time around (since a story that needing to be watched more than once is a weakness in itself), but I will give this eight out of ten. A good solid start to the new Doctor, but not quite a spectacular one.

[TARDIS.Pilot @tardis-pilot]

Arbutus, how can you tell my tone from a written word?

There is far to much erroneous assumption, and no fact,

And people breaking the rules left right and center, irony and assumption,

Shows a sub par degree of critical and analytical thinking, yes i get it, you see what you want to see, damn the facts (stupid facts always getting in the way!, hows a bigot to get any fun hu?, tell me!)

 

I bet if i expended just 1% of effort (make it 2% because i need to go pee, like now, right now)

I could make you all my intellectual bitches, True,

But that would be bad,  and i only use my powers for good,

sort of like nuking and old man with alzheimer and a zimmer frame,

I know it should be frowned upon, but its sooooo tempting,

And at the end of the day who doesn’t like to kick hypocritical ass once in a while, right?

 

But no challenge no glory,

And you will continue with your petty small minded ignorance, wrapped in assumption,

I did not come here as a troll, but was welcomed as one because i didn’t fit a stereotype,

So…

1) Shame on you, you don’t deserve too know me,

2) I really really (i can’t emphasize enough how much really’s) don’t want to be part of a community fan wank as this place appears to be….

A) Ew nasty,

B) You will go blind,

C) Ew nasty,

 

(And to all those doubters, wait and see if what i said comes true…)

 

CIAO

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@arkleseizure – yes, I’d agree that the episode does display Moffat’s ‘learn to use iPlayer!’ tendencies to the full. I enjoyed it in the cinema, but it really was so much better on the second viewing.

[phoebe-phire @phoebe-phire]

@IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan thanks for the link, I have been researching on Wiki which has filled in a few gaps!

[Whisht @whisht]

y’know, with the kiss between Vastra and Jenny, I actually thought it was a bit of a cop out at the time (ie ‘don’t worry – we’re just sharing oxygen’).

It’d have been more affecting if they’d kissed because they thought they were going to die and y’know, they love each other. It would have added greater emotional tension to a scene which wasn’t exactly the most tense backs-to-the-wall fight.

If people were ‘worried about the kids’, then its easy to explain –
“ooh – they’re kissing – urgh!”
“They’re married to each other – why wouldn’t they kiss?
“But they’re women!”
“One of them’s a lizard! Which bit of this is the weird bit?”

[phoebe-phire @phoebe-phire]

@IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan thanks for the link, I have been researching on Wiki which has filled in a few gaps.  (apologies all for repeated post, still getting used to the site.

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@bluesqueakpip — interesting stuff RE. Capaldi’s face. And doesn’t it equally apply to the half-face man too? The scene with the mirrored tray between the two is one of those subtle moments that applies to both of them — ‘You’ve probably forgotten whose face that was you’re wearing’….

[Arkleseizure @arkleseizure]

@bluesqueakpip: Yes, precisely. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for episodes rewarding a second viewing, but if it doesn’t have that wow factor first time round, it’ll never be a true great in my book (then again, neither will one that does but gets worse with repeat viewing — hello Earthshock!)

(And hello to all those Moffat haters saying “what’s Earthshock?”)

It’s lovely to be back: unfortunately I’m not very good at bonkers theorising, having an approach to theorising that’s based heavily on Ockham’s razor, so my theories aren’t very bonkers. All I will say is that I strongly suspect that the Doctor has unfinished business in Pompeii, and his body has given him this face in attempt to jog his memory. Although what that business might be, I’ve no idea.

As for Missy, I think she is Cessair of Diplos. Why? Because… Well I don’t really, but it’s a bonkers theory. Like I say, I’m not very good at them.

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@jimthefish – and it shows what an excellent actor Peter Capaldi is, as well. Not that Matt Smith was any slouch, by the time he’d finished his run, but Capaldi shows that he’s just realised it applies to both of them with one fleeting change of expression.

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@jimthefish: yes, the scene with the tray is the bit I was getting at. As I say, unfinished business in Pompeii.

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