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Just found this. Exciting. Looks like we will get the jigsaw pieces..

No spoilers. Just a promo re Clara/who is she sort of thing.

Awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ozqqs7NcvDE

Apologies if should be in another thread?

@everyone

Just a quick pop by for now. Thoroughly enjoying reading all the thoughts so far.

Really enjoyed how this was pulled together.

Noted a few things..

How oddly distant Clara seemed to be when Bonnie/Doctor/Kate were resolving the Osgood box scenario. Clara showed little emotion and seemed a little smug or something like that? Not sure,…[Read more]

@pedant @geoffers

Well if as geoffers pointed out Osgood said ‘I would give all the lives I had’ then it seems it must be part of the evolution of the zygons. Unless of course the Osgood (zygon?) is referring to other humans copied lives she has duplicated?

Osgood must be a zygon then.. Aargh.

Their must be a few Osgoods. The original has been…[Read more]

<p style=”text-align: left;”>@pedant</p>
Is it not possible to have several zygon/human versions of a human? Given they can do one version what stops another zycon replicating the same human?

As I said struggling with what zygon can and can’t do.. Apologies!

@pedant

oooh woah.. Ha ha. Maybe!

Also to add the whole episode felt odd. Initially I didn’t enjoy it. Felt it was messy.

But perhaps now it was odd because it was meant to be out of character with so much zygon influence.

I’m going to watch it again with this in mind.

Maybe completely way off here..

That’s not the original Clara in the egg thing. They are producing replicas human/zygons – experimenting? So they don’t have to use an original?

Guessing I need to watch it again. My thoughts are all of a bit of a mess!

I still feel it is only Osgood (main characters) that is original.

Sorry not sure any of that works in the storyline.. But was just thinking ‘nightmare scenario’ is just that..

scenario – a setting/scene which is artificial in a sense..

@geoffers

like this, in osgood’s conversation with the doctor aboard the presidential plane: “my sister and i were the living embodiment of the peace we made. i would give all the lives i have to protect it.” i initially thought she said “all the LIES,” as in, i would lie to the ends of the world to keep the peace. but now i keep hearing “…[Read more]

@purofilion
I understand that the companions are pivotal to the storylines and appreciate the strength they hold and even to the point you describe as co-leads. I’m not trying to diminish their importance at all. Just that the essence of Doctor Who is the Doctor himself. Every series since the re boot has been fundamentally about the Doctor and…[Read more]

@blenkinsopthebrave

@drben

Awesome way to finish!

Its always been about the doctor. Not the companions – as much as they play a fundamental role..  it’s about the doctor and that should never be forgotten.

With the ‘poetry’ as you put it – of the Doctor having to accept his role in the fate of his companions. Leaves room for growth for the D…[Read more]

@blenkinsopthebrave

The idea that the Doctor has been trying to figure out something (about Clara?) since he became Capaldi rings true with the first series and aligned with the concept he has been trying to save her from a fate he has known all along ….

Well Ashildr certainly might mean (referring to companions) that she will protect them…[Read more]

@lisa

Ashildr does appear menacing. But I suspect that is born out of resentment she hasn’t been supported by the doctor since the fate he beset her. I don’t think she is concerned about aliens. If anything she most probably considers herself one now too and wants to be part of the gang!

Many many years have passed since she appears at those…[Read more]

@doctordoctorwho

the only thing I felt (but nothing to do with direction really) was that the doctor didn’t explain why he couldn’t take Ashilda with him other than ripples/waves or something terrible.. ?

But he has been taking companions for lifetimes..

Ashilda clearly has something to do with his companions. The doctor owes Ashilda? I think…[Read more]

@django

ha yes..

Ashilda has to be linked to Clara surely. Too many connections cropping up.

But then I was convinced Danny Pink was something more than he was last series.. Still got the Orson Pink to tidy up though?

Id love Matt Smith to pop out of a shower though! 🙂

And just to continue with that bonker-ising above. Interestingly the first time we met Clara (Oswin Oswald) in Asylum of The Daleks she has been converted from human into a Dalek and has coped by retreating into a fantasy of her own intact survival. Isn’t that what Ashilda did when we first met her?! Retreated into a fantasy…

Don’t know how…[Read more]

Firstly hi! Been engrossed in all of your bonker-ising. Thoroughly good fun!

@geoffers I’m too amazed at the number of lines and similarities referenced to Clara by Ashildr.

Clara may well be killed off. But who was Clara Oswald? Run little boy run and remember.

Ashildr?

“And how many have you lost? How many Claras?

I can’t remember most of…[Read more]