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    Craig @craig

    A general thread to get us started on fan creativity, such as fan fiction, videos, art, costumes, conventions etc.

    Please mark all links that are “Not Safe for Work” with NSFW.

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    A link to a “Tumblr sensation” – Alisha’s puppet Matt Smith, a series of photos and animations.

    Good lighthearted stuff. BBC Worldwide should be in contact with her. Wouldn’t every kid want a Wee Matt Smith?

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    Fantastic this thread is here – fan-creativity is the best (or can be!)

    This is a link to the most amazing piece of Dr. Who fan art I have ever seen (no hyperbole).

    It is called “Jenny and Vastra” by Mudron inspired by “Utagawa Toyokuni’s Tale of the Genji and Kuniyoshi’s “47 Ronin” print series”.

    If I could have a giant copy of that framed in my house, I would 🙂


    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    Also, these two by Alicexz are pretty incredible as well:

    “The Roar of Our Stars” (Eleventh Doctor)

    “The Song of Your Sadness” (Amy and Sunflowers)


    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    I’ll repost this here now, although some may have seen it on the G Blog. It’s a fan produced 50th Anniversary “trailer” featuring all incarnations of the Doctor.

    The First Question:

    Some good, different clips. Night All.

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    For anyone who enjoys a spot of fan-fiction (as I do) the places on the interwebs are numerous, from LiveJournal to An Archive of Our Own to the commercially run (a website which sells ad-space).

    The most comprehensive spot for Dr. Who fanfiction, run entirely by fan volunteers, is A Teaspoon and An Open Mind .

    If you are new to fan-fiction, be aware that not all “fics” will be suitable for work, as there are genres of sexually explicit fan literature out there, just as is the case with commercially available literature. It is, however, common practice (although not universally followed) to tag fictions with “ratings”, to give the potential reader some idea of the material involved in advance.

    Writing quality varies significantly in fan-fiction of course, but one of the things I like about it is that it is a creative labour of love, undertaken for pleasure and shared for free in communities of mutual fervour.

    A great community of “beta readers” (fan editors and constructive critics), some of whom write themselves and some of whom do not, also exists in fan-fiction communities to assist fic writers in improving their work before “publication”.

    Well, after that spiel, here is a little fan-fiction recommenation, involving the Eleventh Doctor and the Brigadier (entirely suitable for work) called The Wedding of Lethbridge-Stewart by Jane Turenne on An Archive of Our Own .

    I like it because I think it captures the Brigadier’s voice charmingly, because it paints a tender portrait of their friendship, and because it depicts the Eleventh Doctor as wonderfully alien, which of course, he is.

    Anonymous @

    This is a cracking thread and @phaseshift that trailer is really quite good, if perhaps a little overlong….

    And I hope you’ll all forgive a bit of own trumpet blowing with this one of mine…

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    Oooh – fellow-Fish art! (not fellow art – I can’t draw for toffee).

    I like it! Back to the start – and just look at those cheek-bones 🙂

    Yay for @craig – this thread now has its own picture-graphic spot on the front page.

    Please keep recommending your fave fan-works people, including posting reviews of the same.

    That was not my fic recommended above btw – and did I mention it’s funny (made me laugh anyway)…

    Craig @craig

    No probs @juniperfish. I would’ve done it last night but I was battling the spammers. Have installed a reCaptcha on the registration page and made a few other changes so hopefully that will help.

    I guess I should link to the pic I used for the front page. I thought these three pieces were pretty cool:

    ScaryB @scaryb


    Some really talented people out there. Haven’t been on deviant Art for ages. @juniperfish thank you so much for all your links, really beautiful. Just looked at the pictures so far 🙂

    @jimthefish – multitalented Mr Fish! I love the other worldliness of Hartnell, nice touches with the lighting. You said it’s all photoshop – do you use a mouse or a pen? (I can never get that accurate with a mouse)

    Nice thread 🙂


    PS These are now on my want-list (only 165$ 🙁 ) –

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @scaryb – I see those shoes!

    Another artist? Any Who-art of your own?

    As for your “What is going on in the world?” post btw – I’m with you – on my sofa escaping into starry starry skyscapes (not that I’ve abandoned my rage, but you have to put it down) like this incredible one of Amy inspired by Vincent and the Doctor:

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    Very impressive!

    Anyone remember those old TV21 Dalek strips which just focused on the Dalek Empire and their conquests?

    There is a modern equivalent! The story isn’t that great but some lovely 3-D modelling in what is frankly an enormous online graphic novel. The variants in the Daleks get more outrageous over time.

    But I fear he isn’t a fan of the paradigm Daleks – have a look at this page first.

    Anonymous @

    @phaseshift – I actually thought that TV21 redux was pretty good myself. Some nice cgi there — wish I had the talent or even the willpower to model to that level — and I quite liked the little injections of humour and nods to Star Wars etc. I’ve now spent the better part of my morning reading that thanks to you!!

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    It’s curiously more-ish isn’t it?

    Some may once have heard a radio documentary by Mark Gatiss on the old Target books of the serial, “On the outside it looked like an old Fashioned Police Box”. In it he lamented the fact that young readers are never likely to be enticed by books of the new series.

    However a couple of people dared to dream. I particularly liked “Utopia” and “Girl in the fireplace” in this range of imaginary book covers, although others may catch your eye.

    Anonymous @


    Those are quite splendid. I particularly like the real ‘old school’ ones with the black logo but perhaps because they were the ones I remember most vividly myself. I always liked the Chris Achilleos ones the best. Of these, I think I like The Empty Child best but they’re all damned impressive.

    Hmm, quite fancy having a little go at that meself….

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    If you do feel like having a go, let me know. After @craig posted about proposed articles/blogs on the forum I dug out the notes for an article I composed long ago about the target range.

    I wanted to touch upon a number of issues, but fundamentally how those books helped get unengaged yougsters into reading. I agree with Gatiss to an extent. Of all the formats that who serves, it seems to have left the written word behind in “canon fodder”. It’s unfortunate. If you have the time to do something yourself (perhaps for 11) I’d love to feature it in an article.

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    A Doctor Who mash up can be great – in cake.

    Yes – it’s a commercial product, but completely unlicensed. “Winnie the Who” sees Tigger as eleven (with fez!) and Piglet attempting to be a Dalek. Surreal, lovely and possibly delicious. Who the hell would carve up this cake?

    Anonymous @


    That cake is amazing. I don’t think I could possibly bring myself to destroy it by eating it though.

    RE. Target. Yes, I think I’ll definitely have a go on doing a cover. You’ve inspired me.

    Doing an article on the Target legacy is a damn good idea, actually. I started doing a blogpost on a similar subject months ago but then abandoned it. I think I’ll leave it to much wiser heads than my own to pen it. But basically it’s was the Target books that got me into Who in the first place — the show always came something of a second place to the books for me. Terrance Dicks was probably my most read author when I was growing up (not sure if that’s something to be proud of or feel vaguely sheepish about) and I would seek out his other stuff too — anyone else read The Baker Street Irregulars stories?

    I’d also say that it was those books — and my introduction to the Doctor — that was definitely formative in part of my character — terrible dress sense, a love of anachronism, as well as for science, justice and reason.

    I’ll look forward to reading your article.

    On a slight aside, this has made me think that it might be a good topic for a thread — our Doctor Who memories (much in the style of the book you mentioned), our first introductions to the show, vivid memories, why it means so much to us and so on…

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    Once I’ve finalised the text I’d like a few people to read it beforehand, if you would be willing. I’m sure we could arrange something. I agree. The text of my blog is how those books made me a fan rather than an idle viewer.

    And some of them were great, in their own way. And they cover episodes long lost to the time vortex. Our last chance to view, perhaps. In a written medium that seems to be presented as second hand these days.

    Very unfair.

    Anonymous @


    As I said, I’ll certainly look forward to reading it.

    Some of the books were better than others, of course. Some were clearly written on automatic pilot, with nothing but the paycheque in mind, but some brought more depth to the mythology than the original TV versions did, I think. The Cybermen, for instance, were my favourite monsters when I was a kid and genuinely gave me the creeps on the written page. But seeing them on the screen, even in their ‘classic’ stories never quite lived up to that…

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @phaseshift and @jimthefish

    Yes, like you, I was a young fan of the Target novels, Terrance Dicks in particular – I’ve got a battered collection of a dozen or so still.

    Look forward to your collaborative written/ illustrated piece.

    There could be a whole thread just on Dr. Who cakes – I really love this slightly wonky Dalek one:

    Good idea for a memories thread – I’ll suggest it in the “website section”


    ScaryB @scaryb

    Special request to @phaseshift – please stop posting such addictive links! Got trapped in a time loop with the dalek comic one. The layouts and detaills are fab. Pink security daleks, LOL

    Re the books – I dipped into a few, quality variable but every now and again a gem (sorry don’t remember titles – long time ago!). That’s why I really like the ebooks idea. Especially that they will be short stories in a published book, as well as ebook. I like the idea that although they are related through the characters, each one will be different ie not all books have to be airport blockbuster size, or ongoing sagas. Depending on the writers to deliver of course, but it could turn a whole new generation of Who fans on to written stories.

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    Resistance is Futile – surrender to the creative power of fandom!

    As the header mentioned costumes and we haven’t had one yet, I was reminded of something I saw in the Guardian about Cosplay:

    There are plenty of links to explore in it, but the one I wanted to highlight was this female version of a fifth Doctor. It really is well done and apparently completely home made.

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @phaseshift – yay cosplay! And of course, my favourite – gender bending cosplay 🙂

    The dalek comic link looks good as well – I haven’t dived in yet as I can’t worship the great god Procrastinatus too frequently!

    I like this portrait of Ten

    I’m really looking forward to the possibility of an Eleven, Ten and Nine conflab for the 50th!

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    And of course, my favourite – gender bending cosplay

    I think I know how to play to certain sections of this audience, through experience. 😆

    I do admire those who do it though, and the creativity. The fifth costume is an astonishing thing. Sometimes transgender attempts at cosplay just don’t work, but I thought that one did.

    If you have or come across any links yourself, please add, because it’s something I have become quite interested in.

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @phaseshift – how well remembered of you 🙂

    I’ve seen some really great Supernatural Dean and Castiel gender-bending cosplay. Lots of young women as Castiel in the videos from the Supernatural panel at Comicon this year.

    Sometimes people are chary about their images being reposted, either without attribution or in spaces or places without their consent (I think perhaps because there is something both bold and vulnerable about cosplay).  Not being a cosplayer myself (although I’ve always liked dress up)  it can be hard to work out the etiquette.

    I saw this Sherlock one recently which I really like

    Why, are you planning an outfit of your own for the 50th? 🙂  Your avatar perhaps?

    If I was going to pick a Who character for myself I’d fancy either Tom Baker’s Doctor or Madame Vastra, although how to get the green scaly effect…?

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord



    Sometimes people are chary about their images being reposted

    I agree. I usually only post links that have been featured in other articles (like the G’s effort on Cosplay). I’d never post a link to sneer at it, but really do like to show people the mad creativity of the community when it is available.

    I’ve dressed up many times, in Who guises, comic books, the Blues Brothers and many more. I am the man who with a group of others walked down to the Bradford Alhambra dressed as Frank-N-Furter in 1988. If you’ve seen my legs, you’ll realise I have no shame or fear.

    I always find that alcohol and inappropriate flirting helps.

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @phaseshift – fantastic 🙂

    I am now smiling at the thought of the entire Guardian Who blog, on their various sofas scattered throughout the UK and indeed across several other continents, all in Who cosplay for the 50th Anniversary episode.

    janetteB @janetteb

    I always wanted a long scarf but hate knitting. A few years ago my youngest son’s best friend’s mother made him an excellent Dalek costume for book week. I don’t think it survived the day at school however.

    I like your idea @juniperfish of fans dressing up for the anniversary. Maybe I should start buying up on wool.



    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    Sorry – but this did make me smile.

    How to recognise you are a Whovian.

    Anonymous @

    @scaryb, in answer to your question of weeks ago (sorry, I had intended to answer at the time but it got lost in the mush of the fishbrain), I use a graphics tablet to draw with. Using the mouse is just too inaccurate. The best ones are Wacom ones but they’re rather pricey – I find that the small Bamboo ones are too small to draw on effectively. Amazon does an Aiptek one for £60  that’s a decent size and is actually a pretty decent tablet in its own right…

    Anonymous @


    two Target-homage covers duly done. Sorry they took so long. Had frightful trouble with my Silurian — indeed, it still looks embarrassingly amateur.

    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @jimthefish  those are lovely – very “old skool” feel to them!

    I do adore the fan creativity thread.

    I might have to blow a rasberry tho’ – not at you I hasten to add – just to see whether our phase-shifted moderator @phaseshift shows up to tick me off 🙂

    janetteB @janetteb

    The Silurian is very well done. You captured the expressions of Hartnell’s Doctor and Susan well too.



    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @jimthefish. Love the images. Agree with @juniperfish that the appeal of them lies in the old skool fan feel. It’s funny how back in the 60s fan creativity involved building a Tardis out of old toilet rolls and string. Now we do it with Photoshop. And it is still just as charming.

    Anonymous @

    Thanks all for the kind words. They are meant to be kind of retro in the style of the first wave of Target covers…

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    Sorry they took so long. Had frightful trouble with my Silurian — indeed, it still looks embarrassingly amateur.

    You know that bit in “Vincent and the Doctor” when Vicent hands them his self portrait and when they giggle, he says “well, it’s not my best work…”.

    I’m giggling. Thanks – they are brilliant! Hope you do more.

    Anonymous @

    @phaseshift — I have to admit that I cringe every time I look at that Silurian. I think I might have to have another stab at her. But it was fun doing them so I may do another one. Was thinking maybe a Vincent and the Doctor one actually.

    But it’ll have to wait for a while. Other projects have been stacking up like a digital car crash…

    Craig @craig

    This is a repost from the 50th Anniversary thread, but it’s a good’un. A really great interpretation of all the Doctor’s as female. The ‘Time Ladies’:

    ScaryB @scaryb

    @craig – thanks for reposting the time ladies.

    @jimthefish – love your book covers, got the style bang on. And I like Mme Vastra’s expression – very watchful – don’t change that!

    Just came across this on the hotmail home page – v cute crochet doctors. And a crochet TARDIS. 🙂 Remarkable likenesses given how simplified they are.  What’s not to like 🙂

    Rob @rob

    Been musing on an idea which could be a a bit of fun… a Forum brain storm on creating a a brand new foe for the Doctor.

    Would anyone be interested?

    Should this be a private, members only (and therefore potentially commercial) effort or open for all to read and add to/comment on?


    Juniperfish @juniperfish

    @rob – oh brainstorm away in this thread I say – as much as this little corner of the Whoniverse is “public” 🙂

    Unless you have some surefire scheme I doubt our fan ideas, however glorious, will go on to make millions?!

    What did you have in mind?

    Personally I’d like a “foe” of great moral ambiguity – a people who have done terrible things and yet are composers of some of the most beautiful music in the universe, as for instance…

    HaveYouFedTheFish @haveyoufedthefish

    @rob – Michael Gove?

    Also has anyone noticed the resemblance between Michael Gove and Rich Moranis:

    Michael Gove:

    Rick Moranis:

    … and you never see them in the same room …

    Whisht @whisht

    ah – a challenge laid by @rob, so here’s a try at a ‘monster’ who is morally ambiguous (as I agree with @juniperfish that that is far more interesting):

    How about a male companion (doesn’t have to have been with the doctor for long) who takes a shine to whoever the female companion is. (not too hard to imagine!)
    On a planet, he is attacked by a local baddy (irrelevant who it is), and is left for dead by the Dr.
    However, the male companion survives the attack and runs to the Tardis for safety just as it’s dematerialising; jumps ‘into’ it as its fading and… screams… [screams are heard by Dr and companion from inside].
    As Tardis materialises elsewhere, Dr and companion rush out to find the male companion in a steaming heap, gibbering and phasing in and out of time. Obviously torn apart from jumping into a dematerialising Tardis…
    Dr can’t treat him. So, decides to take him to New Earth and Sisters of Plenitude to heal (before they were doing their nasty experiments). Even gets the female companion to ‘drop him off’ (as otherwise they might recognise the Dr in the future).

    However, its the presence of a time-phasing human that actually inspires the cat-nurses to experiment on someone who ‘phases’ the virus out of their body. A human petri dish that rejuvenates…. a necessary evil for the greater good etc. But he suffers decades of pain…

    This time-phasing man is finally able to break out (heart-rendingly after everyone else was freed by the DR and not him) and… learns to control the phasing (now that he no longer is in constant pain from time-phasing and virus experiments) and decides to find/follow the Dr through Time to punish him for leaving him for dead. He even suspects that the Dr left him for dead as the Dr was jealous of the companions’ feelings for each other…

    So we have a Time Monster – no longer ‘human’, no longer able to love or be loved, torn apart by jealousy of the Dr and female companion’s friendship, able to interfere across timelines… and yet we feel sad for, and slightly unsure if the Dr really did do wrong by him.

    somewhere in all that you could have quite a bit of fun with the interplay with characters and notion of what ‘is’ a monster (ie it is the-thing-that-is-not-Human and the Dr made him so).

    blimey, is that the time? [gets coat and goes to bed – hope i don’t have nightmares!]

    HaveYouFedTheFish @haveyoufedthefish

    Actually @whisht, you’ve given me an idea. The phasing you’re describing sounds a Tharil (Warriors Gate). Tharils are facinating, possibly the most morally ambigious creatures the Doc ever encountered. Once they were a cruel and tyrannical race, by the time the doctor meets them they have been enslaved by the races they once terrorised. They may be the only race facing obvious injustice they Doc seemed to have reservations about helping. Romana leaves the Doctor to help their fight for emancipation.

    My Doctor who monster would be … Romana. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist: like the Doc she’s been adventuring across the universe emancipating the wronged, and like the Doc and from all she learned from the the Tharils, she has become incredibly powerful – like omega, nearly godlike.

    However … somewhere along the way, she has lost her judgement and clashes with the doctor one either side of a war – except from her perspective, it’s the doctor who has horrifyingly been corrupted and is supporting the side of injustice. And because of their history and disbelief she has really wandered so far from the path, the Doctor repeatedly pulls his punches, where as Romana gives no quarters and somehow tragically keeps misconstruing the Doctors actions.

    Also, as we know, all Timelords left to their own devices go ga-ga, so it’s inevitable, so why fight it? Can’t fight city hall psychopathic timelord tendencies, dude.

    (Yeah i know that’s a cannon issue as I know in the New Adventures Romana returned to gallifrey and became president. Lets just pretend that never happened as my idea is better)

    Or, even better … all the above, but substitute for Romana … … Jenny! The Doctor would literally be fighting himself. It would be just like the Valeyard. Except, y’know – good.

    Apologies @whisht for completely co-opting your excellent original suggestion!

    Rob @rob

    A couple of great ides @whisht and @haveyoufedthefish

    A Govish would be quite terrifying spinning their way out of trouble, with no-one ever quite able to pin them down 😉

    @juniperfish Yes I enjoy foes who are not all bad too, the Daleks as composers though, what sort of music would they create?

    I think we could have two types of “monster” creation, a one episode special and the Everest, a new “Dalek” type

    Since 9 we have had some brilliant new foes, the Angels, the Vashta Nerada and the Silence in Torchwood we had the 456 and governments of Earth as child snatching villains (as a parent it struck viscerally home)

    The Sea Devils really worried me as a child (in fact hmmm) and unexpected noises in the dark/night. I remember being woken by an owl, at about age 8, hooting outside my bedroom window, I was in my parents room in nanoseconds.

    So a quick one here “The Dark Matter”

    The Tardis materialises and our intrepid duo/trio are off to sight-see some fantastical northern lights, they meet up with another group of elderly campers who are off to do the same.

    As they make their way to the viewing point and it grows dark, the breeze is heard rustling the leaves on some nearby trees, then no rustling, a torch is shone but one tree has gone.

    As night falls they all bed down, an elderly couple in the group, she wakes up to see her partner popping outside, the tent blows in the breeze and the partner dissolves into the ground.

    Slowly through the long night more of the elderly are sucked into the earth and a rainbow of light flickers away.

    The Doctor works out that after a few more disappearances that the polar lights are in fact “the souls” of the departed of anything plant or animal that dies naturally on this planet.

    The breeze is seen by the Doctor or companion as a shadowy dark shadow and eventually contact is made.

    The shadows are a fusion of dark matter and energy trying to re-balance the universe after the re-boot from the Pandorica as the universe is so new there is not enough dark energy or matter in the universe to make it stable. So the dark energy is messing with the Pauli Exclusion Principle to absorb matter and energy into itself to preserve the whole universe.

    Waay too much coffee on a sleepless night and profuse apologies to those who actually understand physics.

    Rob @rob

    Ooops meant also to say that the dark energy entity is not taking anyone before their time just spiriting them away immediately rather than letting them decay to eventually become dark matter then dark energy…

    More plot hole than Emmental

    HaveYouFedTheFish @haveyoufedthefish

    @rob / @juniperfish – “what sort of music would [Daleks] create?”. Waltzes of course!

    HaveYouFedTheFish @haveyoufedthefish

    @rob – Oooooh I do like plots rooted in quantum mechanics: In fact may have just had a metacrisis in the trouser area :O. In other words: like!

    Chris Bidmead will forever be a hero for rooting not just a story but half a season on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Which by the way: if you can’t fight city hall, and you can’t fight entropy, does that mean logically city hall = entropy ? No wonder I can never got my parking permit revalidated …

    Anonymous @

    I quite like the phasing enemy idea, that could work really well and sounds a bit Fringey to me, which is always good.

    I might as well bore you all again with my ‘bad companion’ idea since it seems to be in keeping.

    My favourite ‘villain’ in Buffy was always Faith (with season three being the highpoint of the show in general imho) and I always thought that a Faith-like companion would fit right in with nu-Who. (Plus a kinda like Harley Quinn in Batman too, so it fits into that concept too.)

    The basic idea would be a morally ambiguous or at least flawed companion for the Doctor, perhaps someone that he think he can lead back onto the straight and narrow — kind of like Ace, but, you know, played by someone who can act. I see her and the Doc having a run of adventures, in tandem with the return of a semi-regular Master.

    At some point the Master woos her away from the Doc, encouraging her more evil inclinations, leading to a companion who is torn between the two of them, morally ambiguous and unpredictable, helping the Master in one story, unexpectedly pitching in to help the Doc in another. (Maybe the Doc is also with another companion who is her brother or unrequited lover who is constantly trying to get the doc to redeem her.)

    Anyway, the climax to the arc would be a showdown between the Doc and the Master where Little Miss Ambiguity plays a pivotal role, redeeming herself at last but at the cost of her life. She dies in the Doctor’s arms, having been given absolution of sorts. The Master has his chance to kill the Doctor, picks up his gun and aims to shoot …

    … but can’t. The Doctor’s grief-stricken face stops him in his tracks, as well as the realisation that someone he too had feelings for but didn’t know till now has been destroyed by him. (Think Salieri’s horror when he realises that he’s finally killed Mozart.) And so the two ancient enemies are finally united by their grief.


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