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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/mudlark/' rel="nofollow">@mudlark</a>  This: . . . <em> all the oblique and coded references in their conversation and their body language left me with a strong feeling, if not certainty, that the Doctor and Clara had reached a mutual, if unspoken understanding. When they parted he knew perfectly well who she was, even though she was no longer ‘in his mind’ and his memori&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56189"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/6/#post-49010" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/morpho/' rel="nofollow">@Morpho</a>                 <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a>             <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@Ichabod</a>                     <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ozitenor/' rel="nofollow">@ozitenor</a></p>
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<p>Ok so this is my bonkers thinking..    I think this reinforces the notion that the Doctor</p>
<p>might have a bit of Human in his DNA?    Because just like in the episode when Amy</p>
<p>uses the shock box to revive the 11th ( in Power of 3?)  I think that was working on&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56176"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48997" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:23:55 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now working my way through page 2. 🙂</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@Avaris</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I still think Clara should have died.</p></blockquote>
<p>They didn&#8217;t earn a final death. Which makes considerably more sense now that we know it was &#8216;really&#8217; a regeneration. For a classical tragedy, a death has to result from a fatal flaw in someone&#8217;s character. The &#8216;fatal flaw&#8217; is presented as Clara behaving&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56153"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48979" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a>  I<em> think Clara can only die when she goes back to the fixed point in Face the Raven. I am not sure if it is fixed anymore. Only Twelve witness Clara’s Death, yet Twelve forgets about Clara.</em></p>
<p>An excellent point &#8212; thank you!  If a tree falls in the forest and only the Doctor sees it happen &#8212; ?</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/puroandson/' rel="nofollow">@puroandson</a>  Son of puro, <em>Her death is waiti&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56140"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48966" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@Avaris</a>     <em>BBC can really do a Paternoster Gang and Clara Who Spinoff.  It will be quite (a-hem) interesting character relation between Vastra, Jenny, Clara and Ashildr. This will be just very weird. But I bet every episode will pass the Bechdel Test for sure. </em>    Throw in River Song! How anyone can say that Moffat doesn’t write strong fema&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56032"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/3/#post-48867" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>CountScarlioni replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 05:27:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any bonkers theorist had come up with a short version of that plot ahead of the episode and posted it, I&#8217;d have thought they were in serious need of a long lie down in a darkened room with a pot of coffee and twelve jammy dodgers. But I thought it worked beautifully. For me, Clara&#8217;s original death was a big surprise. It had been flagged up all&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55928"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/2/#post-48782" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 05:10:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a></p>
<p>Like your lists</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/pedant/' rel="nofollow">@pedant</a></p>
<p>well done Clara theory</p>
<p>So this was mostly to tie up the Clara story arc .   I was actually hoping for more ties to some</p>
<p>of the other mythologies.  So I was a bit underwhelmed  because I had been hopeful for that.</p>
<p>But I did enjoy this. It was a better departure for Clara than immediate death by raven.  I was&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55923"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/2/#post-48777" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>misterhoo replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:56:16 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a></p>
<p>She did die.  She&#8217;s just taking the long way there.</p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that reading took awhile!  🙂  So much to comment on and think about. First of all, some wonderfully eloquent writing about the heights and depths to which we were taken with this episode. Succinctly summed up by <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/phaseshift/' rel="nofollow">@PhaseShift</a>:   <em>I wish more TV could dare to be this different.</em>   Yes, indeed. And yes, not only arc-heavy but mytho&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55340"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/4/#post-48251" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:45:30 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>I am sure Moffat did not intend this, but with the extreme suffering depicted that the Doctor underwent for billions of years, for me, the Doctor has paid in full for his actions in The Zygon Inversion. Thank you, Steven Moffat.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you refer to as apparently blameworthy actions by the Doctor in &#8220;Inversion&#8221;, partly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55307"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/4/#post-48227" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:58:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read some interesting discussion here on the portrayal of Clara in this episode, and the suggestion that her fate suggests that the female companion can’t be too much like the male Doctor. Truly, this wasn’t my take at all. The Doctor said something like, “I’m less breakable than you”, and clearly it’s true. He is a Time Lord, Clara is hu&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54910"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/6/#post-47852" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Kharis replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;span class=&#8221;useratname&#8221;&gt;<a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a>&lt;/span&gt; I had similar thoughts (look on last week&#8217;s episode &#8216;Sleep No More&#8217; thread) about Bad Wolf giving Clara as his guardian angel.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@ichabod</a> Agree about the companion limitations, humans and alien, because at least two alien companions have died in sacrifice.</p>
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				<title>Kharis replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little love for Puro everyone, she is back in the hospital and needs our warm thoughts.  Remember, she was in pain when she wrote that post.  Puro loves the show and this Forum and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s eating at her to be part of any disruption or hurt here.  I think she is just taking a break here because of her illness and stress.  I&#8217;m sure she wil&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54708"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/4/#post-47648" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bluesqueakpip/' rel="nofollow">@bluesqueakpip</a>  <em>if Sarah Dollard has seriously written a script that says ‘Don’t try to be the Doctor, girls, you’ll only get yourself hurt. Your job is to be the companion,’ then she ought to be ashamed.</em></p>
<p>Dollard has nothing to be ashamed of.  The message you see here would be, IMO, better stated this way: &#8220;Don&#8217;t try to be a powerful, quasi-imm&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54651"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/3/#post-47594" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>CountScarlioni replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else concerned about the Doctor&#8217;s ponderous performance in <em>Face the Raven?</em> The Doctor was given assorted, big clues that he was walking into a trap, that the events around Rigsy were about the Doctor, rather than the Doctor being in the street to solve a murder mystery against the clock. Clara explains to him about &#8220;trap street&#8221; and t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54603"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/3/#post-47551" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent episode. As with <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/pedant/' rel="nofollow">@pedant</a>, I agree with everything that <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a> said. A wonderfully insightful reflection on the episode.</p>
<p>It is almost as if this episode, particularly given the &#8220;To Be Continued&#8221; ending, defies bonkers theorizing. I have no idea at all as to where this might lead over the next two episodes. But I suspect that Moffat&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54560"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/2/#post-47513" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>bendubz11 replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:13:35 +0000</pubDate>

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<p><em>I see her death as result of the lack of luck.</p>
<p></em>This. This sums up my feelings on the matter completely. She did something The Doctor would definitely do, and was just unfortunate this was the one time that wouldn&#8217;t work. Because sometimes, once in a blue moon, but sometimes, The Doctor loses.</p>
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				<title>IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@avaris</a> said, almost exactly.</p>
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				<title>Juniperfish replied to the topic Face The Raven in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:10:59 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@Avaris</a></p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;d forgotten about Clara&#8217;s association with roses in the first series in which she appeared. I think that motif was definitely designed to spark speculation about her potential connection to Rose, now that Moff and co realise that what fuels engagement (for many) is spec. It paid off in that the Moment (in the form of Rose as Bad&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-54545"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/face-the-raven/page/2/#post-47498" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:08:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/starla/' rel="nofollow">@starla</a>  <em>the one who travels to New Mexico, is zygon Kate. We don’t see what happens to her once the police officer changes into a zygon</em></p>
<p>Well, not exactly &#8212; but our last shot of Kate &#8212; isn&#8217;t she holding up and looking at what sure looks like a zygon finger or something?  I thought, if she&#8217;s a zygon copy but a *good* one, she&#8217;s taken out a *ba&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-53053"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-zygon-invasion/page/2/#post-46108" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mudlark replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/nerys/' rel="nofollow">@nerys</a>  <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/avaris/' rel="nofollow">@Avaris</a>   A minor point to note in passing also: the gravestone we saw must mark a cenotaph, not a grave with a body in it, since the Osgood zapped by Missy was reduced to a small pile of dust which would have been dispersed to the winds when the plane disintegrated.</p>
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