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				<title>Silverman replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> &#8211; I&#8217;d forgotten about Martha and her &#8216;quest&#8217;.</p>
<p>So with Rose absorbing the power of the Time Vortex, Martha trapsing all over the world, Donna becoming the Doctor-Donna, and Amy&#8230; &#8211; actually can&#8217;t think of anything that Amy did &#8211; and Clara flinging herself into the Doctor&#8217;s timestream, all the &#8216;modern&#8217; companions have been &#8216;special&#8217;&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34409"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/12/#post-30651" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 03:23:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/midnyt/' rel="nofollow">@midnyt</a>, Tasha was presumably not human. Very long-lived? Or somehow preserved due to her role as head (or high priestess or whatever she was) of the Papal Mainframe? (Which, by the way, is <em>such</em> a great name for a church!)</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>, that would also explain why she was confused about having died when she finally told the Doctor that. I&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34386"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/11/#post-30630" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 03:13:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/serahni/' rel="nofollow">@Serahni</a>, it&#8217;s beginning to look as if there is nothing that Moffat can come up with that someone on here won&#8217;t have twigged before it happens.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/midnyt/' rel="nofollow">@midnyt</a>   But since when can the Daleks bring someone back to life whom they&#8217;ve killed? Have I missed something? Probably.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/janetteb/' rel="nofollow">@janetteB</a>, yes indeed, that teenager sleeping thing. My son has been outdoing h&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34379"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/11/#post-30623" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:54:34 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/serahni/' rel="nofollow">@Serahni</a>    Love this! All the Claricles rejoin and become, not Clara, but Missy. Very cool. In fact, a powerful challenger to <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>’s &#8220;Gods of Ragnarok&#8221; theory. I think that if that one isn’t true, Moffat should just bring the Gods of Ragnarok back anyway. I think they’d make great opponents for Twelve.  🙂</p>
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				<title>Serahni replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:52:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a>  You should come down to Melbourne in October to Armageddon and we can ask Jenna ourselves!  I can imagine the look on her face when we start theorising about her being her own grandmother.  LOL</p>
<p>Keep up theorising, guys!  I love reading it all, even if my brain struggles to keep up with the paradoxial loops.  I really am starting to l&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34362"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/11/#post-30607" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 01:57:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>  Good point, <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/midnyt/' rel="nofollow">@midnyt</a>. I would also say that Eleven regenerated alone, but he latched immediately onto Amy, to the point where he apparently offered to take a little girl with him in the TARDIS. He knows how much the Doctor <em>always</em> needs a companion.</p>
<p>Bivium, I think the Doctor&#8217;s exact words were, &#8220;It might be Clara, it might not. It&#8217;s a lottery.&#8221;</p>
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				<title>midnyt replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 01:29:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> &#8220;I wonder why Eleven is so sure that Twelve will need Clara.&#8221;  Well, he is the Doctor.  I think its a combination.<br />
I think part of him telling/asking Clara to help him is for her as well.  Take some of the focus off the &#8220;OMG he changed&#8221;.  Isn&#8217;t it sometimes easier to do something knowing the other person is just as scared as you are?&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34345"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/11/#post-30591" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Serahni replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>  Sorry, I&#8217;m not sure I explained what I meant very well.  I agree that Clara herself seems to have a preprogrammed destiny that just loops around and repeats itself, possibly at around the same age.  My argument was against her having a family and reproducing because her children would be another matter entirely.  They might not be bou&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34331"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/10/#post-30580" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a></p>
<blockquote><p>watching Clara &amp; the Doctor</p></blockquote>
<p>It was actually the Ponds and the Doctor initially.</p>
<p>You need to be a little carefully, following the great dreamcatcher debacle of Season 6 &#8211; Moffat likes to chuck theme-y cruft in as stylistic flourishes, rather than clues. That may apply to the POV shots.</p>
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				<title>Silverman replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:41:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a></p>
<p>Nice link about paradoxes &#8211; I&#8217;d forgotten that line about &#8216;never crossing your own timeline, except for cheap tricks&#8217;. As many have pointed out, the Doctor lies, and most of the rules have come from him.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;Father&#8217;s Day&#8217;, I&#8217;ve remembered that the Doctor said that because there were 2 versions of him and Rose, that that point in&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34321"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/10/#post-30575" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Rob replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:07:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sneaks past <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/fatmaninabox/' rel="nofollow">@FatManInABox</a> with extra large mug of coffee and sips it surreptitiously glancing over shoulder</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@Purofilion</a> waves a big hello 😀 nother slow day in Mudville but at least not raining</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/midnyt/' rel="nofollow">@Midnyt</a> Clara is a great companion,  sacrificing herself three times on screen for the Doctors and probably many many times over off screen, she has to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34298"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/10/#post-30558" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Silverman replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:59:33 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/barnable/' rel="nofollow">@barnable</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bluesqueakpip/' rel="nofollow">@bluesqueakpip</a></p>
<p>All good points and theories about explaining the dinosaur&#8217;s presence in &#8216;our&#8217; shared history. Three days after watching the episode, and as many have pointed out, I think I&#8217;m probably best to wait and see how Moffat ties it all up. If he does explain the size and the fact that loads of Victorians witnessed a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34271"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/10/#post-30534" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>    Oh, and if we&#8217;re taking bets, I betting on about once per season for the the Paternoster Gang. Unless they make an appearance outside of their place and time, as in NotD. I think (hope?) we will not be seeing too much of any one time/place. As I remember, that was one of the biggest complaints of the first couple of AG seasons, that th&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34249"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/10/#post-30516" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>    Okay, you win. Missy is clearly one of the Gods of R-r-r-ragnar-r-ok (clearly brought back into the story because there is finally a Doctor with the accent to pr-r-ronounce it pr-r-roperly!).    🙂</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:37:16 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jimthefish/' rel="nofollow">@JimTheFish</a> @IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan Sorry to have taken a while to get back on this, but it&#8217;s been a busy couple of days. I think, on reflection, that both your points are fair, and my earlier comment on the Doctor&#8217;s morality was a half-baked idea rather poorly expressed. Both &#8216;bad Doctor&#8217; and &#8216;impeccable morality&#8217; are certainly overstated. Mainly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34181"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/9/#post-30455" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 05:12:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/silverman/' rel="nofollow">@Silverman</a>   I completely agree with this. From a dramatic point of view, I liked what the dinosaur brought to the Doctor’s post-regen recovery. But I wish they could have come up with a way of presenting it such that it didn’t leave such an obvious gaping hole in the history books. It’s more clever to have sci-fi events that tie in with real on&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34172"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/8/#post-30446" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>wolfweed replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:44:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a></p>
<p>To clarify, The 4th Doctor &amp; Sarah Jane&#8217;s lips would have met but it would have been ambiguous as to whether it was a kiss or not&#8230;</p>
<p>(Think Smith &amp; Jones&#8217; : genetic transfer or kiss?)<br />
<img src="http://data2.whicdn.com/images/124566326/thumb.jpg" alt="z" /></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I see your point about Vastra &amp; Jenny. Oh&#8230; They&#8217;re <strong>married</strong>, so they&#8217;re &#8216;<em><strong>allowed&#8217;</strong></em> to share oxygen&#8230;</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> I&#8217;m totally on board with <em>The Mind Robber</em>. And brilliant thought on the Gods of Ragnarok: I had completely forgotten about them. The key here is that whoever put Clara into the Doctor&#8217;s life was trying to stop the GI (in the first instance, but presumably with a larger plan), and that suggests someone with the same kind of background as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34126"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/8/#post-30406" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>geoffers replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 03:30:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> &#8211; it&#8217;s great to be seen, again! twas a long, long summer, and i&#8217;m glad to have this wonderful program back, and this wonderful forum along with it&#8230; 🙂</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/arbutus/' rel="nofollow">@Arbutus</a> &#8211;  i, too, don&#8217;t give much weight to missy&#8217;s &#8220;my boyfriend.&#8221; substitute &#8220;the object of my obsession,&#8221; instead. i predict that will be closer to the truth, as we&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34085"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/7/#post-30371" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a>    I’m not convinced that the “my boyfriend” bit is something to be taken literally. I’m also pretty sure that Moffat is not trying to make this easy for us!</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a>    Yes, Deva Loka was from the serial “Kinda”. They were telepathic. There was an evil snake being, called the Mara, that possessed Tegan. So maybe Missy is the Mar&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34083"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/7/#post-30369" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Whisht replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:14:59 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> &#8211; &#8220;the game&#8217;s afoot!&#8221; (as some other character might say!).</p>
<p>That is a <em>really </em>interesting bit of info!</p>
<p>But how the hell does it fit into a bonkers theory&#8230; (replaces tinfoil cap).</p>
<p>The SS Mdme de Pompadour (ie the ship) is (or thinks it is) 37 when it gets damaged.<br />
It needs the real Mdme de Pompadour&#8217;s head at 37 but doesn&#8217;t get&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34055"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/7/#post-30344" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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