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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic The Husbands Of River Song in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>I think the Doctor through much of the episode was hoping River Song would recognize him but did not want to do something completely obvious that would announce his presence such as pulling out the sonic screwdriver.</em></p>
<p>I thought it turned into a bit of a game for him &#8212; how far would things have to go for her to catch on?  Some fans a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-57113"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-husbands-of-river-song/page/3/#post-49803" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic The Husbands Of River Song in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@ichabod</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
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<li><em>The Doctor went back in time and arranged for the construction of the Singing Towers of Darillium himself.</em>
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<li>What a delightful thought!  Making good use of his Heaven Sent</li>
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<p>I think the story we saw is much more interesting: the a courageous everyman who was rewarded for trying to find survivors in a dangerous crash&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-57080"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-husbands-of-river-song/page/2/#post-49772" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic The Husbands Of River Song in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em> The Doctor went back in time and arranged for the construction of the Singing Towers of Darillium himself.</em></p>
<p>What a delightful thought!  Making good use of his Heaven Sent experience in breaking down the unwanted rock around and between the towers, only with tools this time . . . tuning them, now, that would take real genius!</p>
<p><em>ideas o&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-57078"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-husbands-of-river-song/page/2/#post-49769" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 07:51:28 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>Clara did return to Gallifrey in an instant of time and then had herself put back in her body for her death at Trap Street, so the Time Lords were none the wiser.</em></p>
<p>Ah &#8212; okay, yes, if she pops out of time at a point shortly after her escape with CapDoc, the TLs wouldn&#8217;t know that she&#8217;d been gallivanting about time and space with&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-57057"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/15/#post-49753" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic The Husbands Of River Song in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 07:16:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/puroandson/' rel="nofollow">@puroandson</a>  Puro Solo,  <em>the little reference to Clara’s tune when River begs the Doctor to find a loophole and he says “sometimes things end”,</em></p>
<p>Okay, that answers my major question: this is CapDoc *post-Clara*, having traveled back in time to a Christmas season between Angels Take Manhattan and Silence in the Library.  This is the echo we need&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-57055"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-husbands-of-river-song/page/2/#post-49751" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic The Husbands Of River Song in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 07:56:44 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>Losing Moffat both as showrunner and lead writer would be a tremendous loss for the show. In some sense I think he is speaking to us as fans, telling us to enjoy the moments we have left with him.</em></p>
<p>Good point &#8212; and whether he&#8217;s telling us that or not, it certainly is my intention to do just that!  Though another 24 years might be a t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56970"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-husbands-of-river-song/#post-49686" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2015 06:46:26 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/puroandson/' rel="nofollow">@puroandson</a>  <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/pedant/' rel="nofollow">@pedant</a>  I think it’s my inability to pronounce ‘Orgoreyn’ correctly.<br />
How did the author intend it to be pronounced?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s &#8220;OR-go-rain&#8221;.  She had a linguist friend generate a language for that book, I think (or maybe it was for another one later on . . .).  I can ask about the pronunciation, if you like, via e-mail.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56856"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/14/#post-49595" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Spoilers (2) in the forum General</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>A thought about the General.   I&#8217;m feeling  that regenerations never fundamentally</p>
<p>changes the people that are having the regeneration and they don&#8217;t always go</p>
<p>younger.  The Doctor certainly hasn&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t think you an predict that.  However,</p>
<p>as with Missy I think there are some gender quirks and also  some new preferen&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56788"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers-2/page/20/#post-49544" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<p>Not that Doctor Who can get Cumberbatch…</p>
<blockquote><p>Cumberbatch as Rassilon- now there’s a great prospect- the role could certainly do with that sort of boost when it returns. But if he is available (in this fantasy world), then why not as the Doctor? Much as I like Capaldi in the role, if Cumberbatch was available, regenerate away :-)&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>soundworld replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:23:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@ichabod</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/tardigrade/' rel="nofollow">@tardigrade</a><br />
Would the neural block have worked on Clara without a pulse?  In her time-looped state she might have just reset, or it may not have had time to work &#8211; it seemed to take several seconds for the Doctor to succumb to it.  It depends on how much of Clara&#8217;s system is reset in her timeloop (she is her own personal traveling O&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56641"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/13/#post-49420" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:18:26 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bluesqueakpip/' rel="nofollow">@Bluesqueakpip</a></p>
<p>With you on seeing Capdoc hang around for a very long time !   TomDoc is also a big</p>
<p>favorite of mine.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>                                   <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@Ichabod</a>                                <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/pedant/' rel="nofollow">@pedant</a>                               <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/juniperfish/' rel="nofollow">@juniperfish</a></p>
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<p>&#8220;The obsessional bond had to be broken&#8221;     is a post I&#8217;ve  read here.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56600"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/12/#post-49386" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/morpho/' rel="nofollow">@morpho</a>  <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> <em> … it really seems to me that losing Clara personally isn’t what bothers him so much as I read it, it’s his failure in his duty of care – so if he knew she was safe, he’d be OK without her. It’s not say Rose we’re talking, where his loss was much more personal.  [I 100% agree with this.]</em></p>
<p>Well, he was *trying* to set it up thi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56599"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/12/#post-49385" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 08:37:01 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jphamore  <em>Moffat in Hell Bent is consciously laying the foundations for what he knows will be the last classic series story, the one that brings together all of the threads of the Doctor’s youth, Rassilon, the Matrix, etc. . . . when it is done, Moffat will leave all possibilities open for the next showrunner to create his or her own version of&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56584"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/12/#post-49372" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 04:50:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been offline for a couple of days, so only catching up properly now. Thanks to those who responded to my concerns- a few follow-ups:</p>
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<blockquote><p>What fuelled his determination to hold out against the interrogation, even to the extent of enduring repeated torment over billions of subjective years, was above all his hatred of and rage against the&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:01:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/juniperfish/' rel="nofollow">@Juniperfish</a></p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your meanderings on the Graun!  Great post.   I have a question.</p>
<p>If we think Clara got pregnant then when ?  Because after dead would be too weird so when</p>
<p>did that opportunity occur? Also,  I&#8217;m one of the folks that is convinced that the Doctor</p>
<p>went for plan B as soon as he realized Clara had no pulse .   He&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56559"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/11/#post-49347" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mudlark replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>

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<blockquote><p>the Matrix &#8230;  It needs an agent to go out there and explore. It needs a Doctor</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting idea. The Doctor did tell Clara that the Sliders talked to him when he went into it as Matrix in his youth, though he was referring to himself in the third person when he did so, and spoke as if it was a matter of hearsay.</p>
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<blockquote><p>the Ti&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@Jphamlore</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Logically, Rassilon’s mind should have been uploaded to the Matrix.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since we know that Rassilon describes himself as the &#8216;resurrected&#8217;, and that people scooped out of time don&#8217;t have heartbeats, he was almost certainly uploaded to something; then reconstructed out of it as needed. However, he seems to have an independent post-mortem e&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56545"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/11/#post-49333" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>soundworld replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:47:46 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<p>Except, Rassilon and the High Council have been exiled, near the end of time, where there&#8217;s &#8216;only one or two star systems left&#8217;.  In these &#8216;end times&#8217; where is there left to actually exile them to?</p>
<p>There won&#8217;t be many races left to raise armies from, either.  I presume (uh-oh!) they&#8217;ve been exiled without access t0 time-machines (&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56533"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/11/#post-49323" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2015 21:46:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I was also thinking about Asylum of the Daleks too.  I remember in some forum</p>
<p>both SM and Capdoc were asked which companion they would bring back and</p>
<p>both of them simultaneously said Clara.  Still totally agree that there will be a build</p>
<p>up going in some new direction.        At the same time will Capdoc  still be feeling</p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:28:58 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  Wow, you have an amazing imagination &#8212; wonderful bonkerizing, rich and strange!</p>
<p><em> if this is their standard of collective decision-making on issues that potentially affect the fate of the universe, this does seem to be another fairly rash one, so maybe it is better they go their separate ways.</em></p>
<p>Yes.  They don&#8217;t even know for certain w&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56465"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/10/#post-49263" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>Is it possible that Moffat has throughout the season been portraying the Doctor as a victim of PTSD</em></p>
<p>Interesting; it would be no surprise if the Doctor *were* subject to PTSD for a long succession of highly traumatic events, but some core elements seem not to apply (suicidal thoughts and impulses?  Flashbacks?  Uncontrollable ou&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56453"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/10/#post-49255" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:01:59 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>if you put on a soldier’s uniform, with the possible exception of someone who is a Gallifreyan foot soldier, the Doctor is almost going to go out of his way to make sure you die for your country for your sin. </em></p>
<p>Oh, hardly; he didn&#8217;t blow up the plane or insist on a military patrol to go to the church.  But he seems to feel that if you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56405"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/9/#post-49210" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 07:17:23 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  Wow, that&#8217;s a great hunk of background &#8212; if I ever knew it, I&#8217;ve forgotten it completely, and that&#8217;s *without* a neural blocker, mind!  Well, what you&#8217;re describing seems to be the War Doctor.  CapDoc, in our time, has shown great distaste for soldiering and soldiers (despite having hung in there for quite a bit of it on Wh&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56398"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/9/#post-49203" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>soundworld replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 02:19:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> Yes, but Clara didn&#8217;t have that ability (so far as we know, being a human) when she took on the similar role in Trap Street.  They both took on a dangerous &#8216;countdown to death&#8217;.  I&#8217;m just pointing it out as the Mummy incident was referenced in Hell Bent. (Cue joke: are you my Mummy? &#8211; Oh! Perhaps that ties into the bonkers theory a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56301"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/8/#post-49116" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>soundworld replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 21:44:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit late to the party and don&#8217;t think I can add anything new to what all of you have so eloquently expressed.</p>
<p>I was a day late watching, by which time you were up to page 4, time has been very limited so a rewatch late last night &#8211; and now you&#8217;re on page 7!!</p>
<p>Its great to rewatch bearing in mind all the wonderful comments, theories&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56281"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/7/#post-49098" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@Jphamlore</a></p>
<p>Yes, but Clara&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t the only death in Face the Raven. Her complete faith in the Doctor&#8217;s ability to get them out of anything died too. The whole point of the ending is that she&#8217;s now making her own decisions; getting yourself killed is a particularly brutal way to discover that you might not always make the right ones. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56275"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/7/#post-49091" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/notime/' rel="nofollow">@notime</a> You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/pedant/' rel="nofollow">@pedant</a>  <em>All of the times I thought the Doctor knew something, those sideways furrowed-brow glances (leading to the whole “Are the episodes in the right order?” debate) can now be more easily and more realistically interpreted as becoming increasingly concerned: the difference between “bad luck” and “an accident waiting to&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56271"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/7/#post-49087" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:34:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@Jphamlore</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Except the episode has taught Clara there are some things that simply cannot be done, that would endanger time and space itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ummm&#8230; yes? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure what you&#8217;re trying to say here. Apparently Ashildr is going to be so focussed on limits, that Clara will give up? </p>
<p>Or that Clara will have to choose to return to Trap&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56269"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/7/#post-49085" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:40:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<p>Frankly, given Clara&#8217;s success in getting the Doctor, Bonnie, Ice Warrior Field Marshals and assorted other aliens to think more like Clara, I suspect she&#8217;s considerably more likely to Clara-ise Ashildr rather than the other way round. </p>
<p>Ashildr may have lived over several billions of years, but it&#8217;s been stated quite firmly that she&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56258"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/7/#post-49074" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 18:56:49 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the third page! 🙂</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/morpho/' rel="nofollow">@Morpho</a><br />
It sounds as if, having agreed to treat the Eighth Doctor&#8217;s audio adventures as canon, Moffat&#8217;s going full tilt for the audio canon explanation of the Sisterhood &#8211; which is that the Sisterhood aren&#8217;t just neighbours of Gallifrey, they&#8217;re exiled Gallifreyans. Rassillon didn&#8217;t like their religion, so they had to do a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56172"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48995" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tommo replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:23:04 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/rorysmith/' rel="nofollow">@rorysmith</a> &#8211; you&#8217;re bang on with the Ashildr/doctor theorising scene. i totally imagine moffatt reading this very forum in prep for a scene like that. i think all those theories they bandied were posited on here at some point. it reminded me of that scene in Sherlock (series3) when he&#8217;s discussing how he escaped his jump from the hospital roof&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56147"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48973" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:43:51 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bluesqueskpip  Love your post #48897, above &#8212; great.  This:  i<em>t’s the Doctor who thinks he’s playing the starring role in a tragedy. However, the universe – in the person of the current producer – knows he’s playing the starring role in a comedy.</em></p>
<p>And this:  <em>When we see Face The Raven in hindsight, as the ‘regeneration’ story of Clara into Doc&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56143"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/5/#post-48969" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:34:55 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/morpho/' rel="nofollow">@morpho</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The General’s regeneration seemed pretty toned down. We may have come in at the tail end, but there were no signs of damage. New regeneration style, or perhaps on Gallifrey these things can be tempered somewhat?</p></blockquote>
<p>Regenerations might go more smoothly on Gallifrey- the environment does appear to have some impact? It does seem though that t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56078"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/4/#post-48907" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Arbutus replied to the topic Hell Bent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2015 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jimthefish/' rel="nofollow">@JimTheFish</a>      <em>But opening with Skaro and ending with Gallifrey and with more than a few serious Who highpoints in between, that was, in my view, one of the most accomplished series of Who, either BG or AG.</em>   Oh, I definitely agree with this. I loved Series 8 but this was better. At the moment, I can&#8217;t think of a misstep, and the whole thing&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-56024"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/hell-bent/page/3/#post-48861" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tardigrade replied to the topic Spoilers (2) in the forum General</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2015 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I therefore hypothesize if some version of the Clara who was killed makes it to Gallifrey, it would be by way of the quantum shade that killed her.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting, since that would imply that the Doctor may suspect she&#8217;s gone there and been given a reason to return to Gallifrey. He does say &#8220;You&#8217;d still be gone&#8221;, not &#8220;dead&#8221; when&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55797"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers-2/page/19/#post-48649" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mudlark replied to the topic Spoilers (2) in the forum General</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:37:56 +0000</pubDate>

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<blockquote><p>I wonder if a quantum shade can cross dimensions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Quantum entanglement?</p>
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				<title>CountScarlioni replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/lisa/' rel="nofollow">@lisa</a></p>
<p>Sorry if bits of  this is preaching in large parts to the choir ande been aired on this sites lots of times before, but anyway&#8230;.It seems to me that in BG Who, there was a strong emphasis on tight stories. In AG Who, there is far less concern for tight stories and much more emphasis on the dramatic flourish or the `thing&#8217; (I wish I&#8217;d come&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55693"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/8/#post-48554" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mersey replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 00:07:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<p>I made four attempts to watch Andriej Tarkowski&#8217;s Solaris and I failed every time. I can&#8217;t agree with his vision of the future.</p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2015 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/countscarlioni/' rel="nofollow">@countscarlioni</a>  <em>on the hybrid: It appears the Doctor truly believes he is the hybrid, but that does not necessarily mean that he’s right. Or perhaps there can be more than one hybrid. It might not be either/or.</em></p>
<p>Excellent point &#8212; he&#8217;s been wrong before, after all.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>Not only that but for just this one episode, that the Doctor’s pocke&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55673"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/8/#post-48536" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mirime replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2015 15:23:51 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having rewatched without the drawback of being on large amounts of painkillers, I have to say it&#8217;s been upgraded to magnificent and I now get the missing flagstone and where it went  &#8211; which should have been obvious, but I wasn&#8217;t at my best on Saturday.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> like the ideas about the dial</p>
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				<title>RorySmith replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>I wondered the same thing since he put them on after stepping on  Galifrey. Obviously they don&#8217;t work to break down crystal walls.</p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 18:05:26 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  I<em>n my opinion, the confession dial follows a strategy of Steven Moffat to deliberately rewrite parts of the classic series, a precedent so that his successors can also make each run as showrunner their own.</em></p>
<p>What a lovely, generous idea . . .</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/swordwhale/' rel="nofollow">@swordwhale</a>  <em>Love the conversations with Clara, how she is always back turned, sort of a s&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55557"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/6/#post-48439" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Mudlark replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/countscarlioni/' rel="nofollow">@CountScarlioni</a></p>
<blockquote><p>What if Ashildr/Me had contacted the Time Lords (via Missy?) and is the one driving all of this</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yes! I can see how that would work very well, though I suspect that it would be Missy&#8217;s idea, with her as the driving force and Ashildr/Me acting at her instigation.</p>
<p>The anachronisms in The Woman Who Lived suggested that by the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55542"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/6/#post-48424" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>tommo replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 13:12:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> &#8211; did he have his sonic sunglasses on him at all? i seem to remember a shot of him in a corridor putting them on or am i mistaken?</p>
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				<title>Mudlark replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:40:14 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has taken me most of the morning to refresh my memory of yesterday&#8217;s discussions and to catch up with all the posts from the night shift. So much food for thought!</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/ichabod/' rel="nofollow">@ichabod</a></p>
<blockquote><p>He’s accepting what he feels is just punishment for Clara’s death; and it’s hardly enough, because he needs absolute *masses* of expiation if he’s to move beyond the enor&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Miapatrick replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 08:45:02 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>&#8211; yup, that&#8217;s what you get for wearing sunglasses indoors&#8230;</p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Spoilers (2) in the forum General</title>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> <em>Wouldn’t the Time Lords or in particular Omega have noticed a half-human half-Time Lord DNA hybrid in this biodata extract?</em></p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;d think so, wouldn&#8217;t you?  This is going to be *very* interesting.  It&#8217;s also going to be the plot-heavy complement to Heaven Sent, since there are lots of loose ends to be tied up (of course they won&#8217;&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55516"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers-2/page/18/#post-48399" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a>  <em>If the Doctor gave up all his answers, the Time Lords would be able to use the confession dial to get back to this universe. And that I believe the Doctor is willing to do anything to prevent . . . I suspect that the Doctor will revisit the events of The Day of the Doctor when he reappeared with the other 12 Doctors and add his input t&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55514"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/6/#post-48397" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>lisa replied to the topic Heaven Sent in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/cheesemaster5000/' rel="nofollow">@CheeseMaster5000</a></p>
<p>Well in my humble opinion this was something that all happened inside his mind</p>
<p>and if that is the case the Doctor is still roughly the same age.   The crystal wall at the</p>
<p>end of the puzzle wasn&#8217;t effected by the rest of his journey getting to it probably</p>
<p>because   whoever it was that put this scheme together probably t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-55370"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/heaven-sent/page/4/#post-48276" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 01:14:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a></p>
<p>I also like how the Doctor communicated with Clara to find a resolution and</p>
<p>how this episode gave a new meaning to &#8216;run you clever boy and remember me&#8217;.</p>
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