@Arbutus In my view, the tangerine on the window was meant to allow the audience…

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In my view, the tangerine on the window was meant to allow the audience (and most importantly, the children in the audience) to believe if they choose to that Santa was real. There was no way that Moffat was ever going to write a Christmas episode, knowing that many families watch with small children, and have it shown…[Read more]

I don’t think that’s the problem. I think it’s more an issue of stating opinion as fact. You said that “Making Santa Claus real in the Who universe or in any universe would be terribly wrong. He cannot be real.” That may well be your…[Read more]

Jenna talks about it in the Extra of “Last Christmas”

Total horseshit. There was absolutely nothing that could remotely be interpreted that way in the Extra.

Do you think nobody here watched it?

@Craig @JimTheFish – one to keep an eye on.

cheers

Janette

so it is our fault that we haven’t…[Read more]

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Janette

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Janette

@Nine9 Making Santa Claus real in the Who universe or in any universe would be terribly wrong. He cannot be real. By the end of the episode we are left to ask ourselves if they are still dreaming or if anything of what happened was real. It could also be Missy behind all that.

I disagree … but then that’s what opinions are all about. My…[Read more]

Thank you for opening up the conversation.

I am beginning to wonder whether part of the reason for the Robin Hood episode was to introduce the audience to the idea that characters who are fictional in our universe might be real in the Whoniverse.

This means that we can’t be sure whether or not Santa is real – in fact, even by the end…[Read more]

 I really think that it should do much more and bring characters back as well.

Well, I suppose if you are going to be wrong you might as well be comprehensively wrong.

“Meme” was a term coined by Richard Dawkins for, as stated above, an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a c…[Read more]

Are you aware that the story is yet to be filmed and you are judging/dismissing something that hasn’t been made yet?

Are you aware that you signed up six hours ago, and you haven’t posted on anything apart from the possible return of the Celestial Toymaker?

What are your other theories or observations on Last Christmas? While people d…[Read more]

real magic because it doesn’t exist

Have you watched Battlefield? Or the Shakespeare Code?

Any sufficiently advanced form of magic is indistinguishable from technology

[The Seventh Doctor]

Also, as Santa Claus’ species is listed as ‘Guardian’, one would come to the logical conclusion that he would be The Celestial Toymake…

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One of life’s little mysteries, the Celestial Toymaker fan club. It’s not even as if it was a much loved story at the time.

So, what are your other theories or thoughts on this episode? Not involving the Celestial Toymaker?

Is it that story that he was due to return in Season 23 of the BG series? Because it’s like some kind of weird meme; every year someone starts saying ‘they should bring the Celestial Toymaker back’. To shouts of ‘who the heck is the Celestial Toymaker??’

The GI was brought back, I think, partly because…[Read more]

I tend to agree with you that Moffat could bring back a character from BG Who (after all, he brought back the Great Intelligence, and there would have very few people, aside from old ruins like myself, who would have been aware of the GI).

But I also agree with @pedant in this case, as Moffat would need an exceptionally good reason to…[Read more]

I think the odds of it being The Celestial Toymaker, or anything else from significantly before the bulk of the modern audience has been alive are somewhere adjacent to zero.