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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Oxygen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2017 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this series have a theme of how the exploited come to understand their condition, and develop their consciousness to transcend it?</p>
<p>Certainly works for <em>Smile</em> and <em>Oxygen</em>; probably <em>Thin Ice</em>; maybe for <em>Knock Knock</em>; not sure about <em>The Pilot</em>.</p>
<p>So, time to start unwrapping some good old Marxist theories about alienation? Doctor as Vanguard?</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Thin Ice in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 13:14:20 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to follow up on the reference to <em>Midnight</em> by <a href='https://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/tommo/' rel="nofollow">@tommo</a> <a href='https://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/thane15/' rel="nofollow">@Thane15</a> <a href='https://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/countscarlioni/' rel="nofollow">@countscarlioni</a> and probably many others.</p>
<p>Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but in <em>Midnight </em>the Doctor makes a very explicit promise, almost a contract, with the entity that appears to have possessed Mrs. Silvestry.</p>
<p>He says, ‘Whatever you want, if it’s life, or&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-65629"><a href="https://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/thin-ice/page/4/#post-57157" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Under The Lake in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 10:46:37 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/mudlark/' rel="nofollow">@mudlark</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jphamlore/' rel="nofollow">@jphamlore</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/craig/' rel="nofollow">@craig</a> Er yes, that&#8217;s rather a lot of examples of the Doctor going back to check on things happening before the current story started. Point taken! I&#8217;m rather annoyed at myself for not thinking of City of Death, since that is one of my faves.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> Cheers! Your thoughts and kind words are much appreciated. The more I&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-50997"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/under-the-lake/page/4/#post-44172" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Under The Lake in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, is it OK for the Doctor just to go back in time <em>within a story line</em> to see what happened earlier on, in order to figure out what is going on now? I had always thought of that as sort of taboo.</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Under The Lake in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea this was the first of a two-parter, so the ending was an amazing shock. Loved it! The Arthurian themes that many are talking about here are intriguing, and very enjoyable to think about, but I&#8217;m still struggling with &#8216;The Dark, The Sword, The Forsaken, The Temple&#8217;.</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;m puzzled why the TARDIS couldn&#8217;t translate them. Secondly,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-50963"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/under-the-lake/page/3/#post-44136" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic The Caretaker in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:25:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/geoffers/' rel="nofollow">@geoffers</a> Thanks for pointing that out: feel a bit of a fool for missing it now! I wonder if this is the same poster that appears in <em>Let&#8217;s Kill Hitler</em>, during the early scenes where Mels keeps getting into trouble at the school? (I don&#8217;t have that episode on video to check.)</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic The Caretaker in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:40:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just following on from the &#8216;Missy is a Carrionite&#8217; idea: maybe what they are collecting in the Nethersphere is not souls but stories. The policeman was &#8216;downgraded&#8217; to being met by a functionary, rather than Missy herself, because his story just isn&#8217;t very interesting. (&#8216;I proceeded into the room, and saw a robot. Then I was blown up.&#8217;) Whereas&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36823"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-caretaker/page/2/#post-32668" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic The Caretaker in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:33:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/geoffers/' rel="nofollow">@geoffers</a> Was there a &#8216;Break the Silence&#8217; poster in this one as well? I missed it, if there was.</p>
<p>On the &#8216;nethersphere&#8217;: this is all very confusing, and I&#8217;m not sure that anything I had thought before now makes sense. But one thought that struck me is that Chris Addison&#8217;s character is called &#8216;Seb&#8217;. Could that be short for Sebastian, which would&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36822"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-caretaker/page/2/#post-32667" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic On The Sofa (5) in the forum General</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:01:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> I don&#8217;t envy you your 4am alarm call: mine at least have the grace to leave it until 6 (but then it&#8217;s darker over here, of course).</p>
<blockquote><p>I would think it should be on at about 7pm</p></blockquote>
<p>I know these days are long gone, but for me the <em>proper</em> time for <em>Doctor Who</em> will always be 5:40 on a Saturday afternoon&#8230;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it? Wasn&#8217;t it? Small boys in the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36074"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/on-the-sofa-5/page/12/#post-32003" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic On The Sofa (5) in the forum General</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:00:36 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read in <em>The Guardian</em> that <em>Doctor Who</em> is going to move later in the month to an 8:30 start time (ending at 9:15). I wonder what others think of this, but I think it&#8217;s a shame. OK, it&#8217;s not a school night, but at the youngest end this is really going to stretch things. 8:30 strikes me as very late for a family show like this.</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Listen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A coincidence just struck me: on the Sunday after <em>Listen</em> was broadcast on TV, BBC Radio 4 Extra repeated one of the 8th Doctor&#8217;s radio adventures, <em>Nevermore</em>, which draws heavily from Edgar Allan Poe&#8217;s works, most obviously &#8216;The Raven&#8217;. This poem has a couple of echoes with the plot of <em>Listen.</em> First, there is a mysterious tapping at the door: when&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36032"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/listen/page/7/#post-31965" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Listen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:32:43 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/fletchthe2nd/' rel="nofollow">@fletchthe2nd</a> and <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/arbutus/' rel="nofollow">@Arbutus</a> But it really doesn&#8217;t look like his handwriting. It&#8217;s written in an extremely odd manner, that made me wonder if it&#8217;s meant to be viewed in a mirror (or maybe a spoon?) to reveal a hidden message. Since &#8216;listen&#8217; is an anagram of &#8216;silent&#8217; maybe that is who wrote it. They would be pretty well evolved to be perfect hiders.</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Listen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One small thing that struck me is that the &#8216;LISTEN&#8217; that is written on the blackboard in the TARDIS really <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> look like the Doctor&#8217;s handwriting to me. Who wrote it?</p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Listen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:22:24 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/geoffers/' rel="nofollow">@geoffers</a> I&#8217;m caught the breaking glass sound just as Clara called Danny &#8216;Rupert&#8217;. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a coincidence, and my bet is that we are going to revisit that date scene later in a time-wimey sort of way, where someone is watching Danny and Clara, and drops their glass at that precise moment in shock (but cannot figure out why someone&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35631"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/listen/page/2/#post-31637" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Listen in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/abxy/' rel="nofollow">@ABXY</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/mattie/' rel="nofollow">@mattie</a> <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/chickenelly/' rel="nofollow">@chickenelly</a> I&#8217;m another who was reminded of <em>Midnight. </em>I felt that there were some unresolved questions from that episode, and for a moment I was excited by the thought that they might be answered; but maybe that was a red herring?</p>
<p>So much to think about, and will need to watch again, but one thing that struck me very powerfully was&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35535"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/listen/#post-31564" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Robot of Sherwood in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:18:44 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/apopheniac/' rel="nofollow">@Apopheniac</a> (your&#8217;s isn&#8217;t so easy to type either! Hope I&#8217;ve got it right.)</p>
<p>Thanks for the info on the etymology of robot. Still fits, I think, with a general oppressed working class idea, since we have had an awful lot of robots &#8212; and self-improving assertive robots too, heading for the &#8216;promised land&#8217; &#8212; in the show. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35201"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/robot-of-sherwood/page/2/#post-31284" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 19:06:43 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/janetteb/' rel="nofollow">@janetteB</a> and <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/whisht/' rel="nofollow">@Whisht</a> (and @others?) The idea of the &#8216;promised land&#8217; as a robot heaven is very interesting, especially bearing in mind that the original notion of a &#8216;robot&#8217; in SF literature is rooted in socialist thought: I may have this wrong, but I remember that robot was a Czech word to do with land rent, or something? &#8211; must google. Anyway,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35192"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/robot-of-sherwood/page/2/#post-31278" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:42:57 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/arbutus/' rel="nofollow">@Arbutus</a> Sorry, I think we posted at the same time. And yes, I agree my absolute favourite was &#8216;After Nottingham, Derby&#8217;. I thought Ben Miller did that line brilliantly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:41:33 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> Yes, &#8216;All property is theft&#8217; is Proudhon. And we had the idea of the &#8216;opiate of the masses&#8217; from Marx. Perhaps the &#8216;Promised Land&#8217; is a reference to utopian socialists like Robert Owen. I like the idea of using Doctor Who as a forum for carrying on old debates on the left. Maybe the grand finale will be a rehearsal of the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35171"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/robot-of-sherwood/page/2/#post-31262" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:28:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that struck me as rather unpleasant amidst all the fun was the Doctor&#8217;s rather unkind and repeated references to the fact that one of the Merry Men only had six months to live. Perhaps he was so convinced that they were fictional creations that he didn&#8217;t feel the need to care; or maybe this is just a touch of the Doctor&#8217;s more cynical&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35140"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/robot-of-sherwood/#post-31242" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:23:25 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was great: favourite bit was Ben Miller&#8217;s plan for world domination that <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/craig/' rel="nofollow">@Craig</a> mentioned at the beginning, &#8216;After Lincoln, <em>th</em><em>e world</em>.&#8217; Great stuff.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/wolfweed/' rel="nofollow">@wolfweed</a> mentions the link to <em>The Time Warrior</em>. Maybe I&#8217;m seeing things, but I felt that there was an unusual number of possible references to old Who. We also got the miniscope from&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-35139"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/robot-of-sherwood/#post-31241" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Into the Dalek in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:01:47 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others, e.g. <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bluesqueakpip/' rel="nofollow">@Bluesqueakpip</a> and <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/serahni/' rel="nofollow">@Serahni</a> have said, that line &#8216;you would make a good Dalek&#8217; contains so much scope for debate. I think there are (at least) three ways of taking it:</p>
<p>a) As has been noted with the Aristotle reference, this might mean good as in an excellent example of the type. So, a &#8216;good man&#8217; is the man who excels in the proper&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34583"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/into-the-dalek/page/2/#post-30796" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jimthefish/' rel="nofollow">@JimTheFish</a> @IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan Sorry to have taken a while to get back on this, but it&#8217;s been a busy couple of days. I think, on reflection, that both your points are fair, and my earlier comment on the Doctor&#8217;s morality was a half-baked idea rather poorly expressed. Both &#8216;bad Doctor&#8217; and &#8216;impeccable morality&#8217; are certainly overstated. Mainly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34181"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/9/#post-30455" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bivium6/' rel="nofollow">@bivium6</a> I&#8217;m totally on board with <em>The Mind Robber</em>. And brilliant thought on the Gods of Ragnarok: I had completely forgotten about them. The key here is that whoever put Clara into the Doctor&#8217;s life was trying to stop the GI (in the first instance, but presumably with a larger plan), and that suggests someone with the same kind of background as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34126"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/8/#post-30406" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:35:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some fantastic food for thought here, and I admit I&#8217;m having a hard time keeping up. But I wanted to add one more theory about Missy&#8217;s identity to the mix, with apologies if this has already been suggested.</p>
<p>Assuming that Missy is who has brought Clara and the Doctor together, perhaps she is the Celestial Toymaker, an &#8216;egomaniacal, needy&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34124"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/8/#post-30404" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/wolfweed/' rel="nofollow">@wolfweed</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Beware of any future character called &#8216;Stream&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe the Twostreams facility from <em>The Girl Who Waited</em> (which seems to have some kind of link to Missy) = Two Masters?</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jimthefish/' rel="nofollow">@JimTheFish</a> Fair enough. I think one of the big themes of this series might be that the Doctor is out to correct what he (now) regards as his mistakes from the past. I never really agreed with the whole &#8216;the Doctor is basically a bad person&#8217; idea that M0ffat seems to have been pushing; as far as I can tell, he&#8217;s always acted with impeccable&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33962"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/6/#post-30272" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/jimthefish/' rel="nofollow">@JimTheFish</a> Was it the typo on Beryl?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Am I off topic here? Should I put this on a different forum?)</p>
<p>Anyway, I take your point <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/arkleseizure/' rel="nofollow">@Arkleseizure</a> I too have worried about the fact that the Cybermen leave an army on a ship that&#8217;s basically a flying missile. I suppose it comes down to how much plot holes matter, compared with other things that make you love a story. For example:</p>
<p>The early&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33955"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/6/#post-30265" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And unfinished business in Pompeii. Maybe one of the Doctor&#8217;s past mistakes that he wants to correct was saving someone he shouldn&#8217;t have? That would indeed be dark.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/arkleseizure/' rel="nofollow">@Arkleseizure</a> I think Cessair of Diplos sounds like a pretty damn good theory. Why? Er&#8230; not sure either. But I like it!</p>
<p>On the other hand, why do you say Earthshock gets worse on repeat viewings? It stands up for me. Who doesn&#8217;t like a well-prepared meal?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:26:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Develishrobby and many others, on the kiss: One thing I liked was (if I recall correctly) Jenny pointing out that the significant thing here is not that she&#8217;s married to a woman, but that she&#8217;s married to a lizard. Now, some of my best friends are reptiles, but I have to say that if one of my daughters ever told me she wanted to marry a lizard&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33923"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/5/#post-30244" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:22:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possible source for theorising: what are the past mistakes that the new Doctor is intending to do something about? One guess, perhaps to fit a &#8216;darker&#8217; Doctor is the &#8216;Have I that right?&#8217; moment from <em>Genesis of the Daleks. </em>Are there any big mistakes that we&#8217;ve already seen in the show that the Doctor is going to revisit?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies if this point has been made already, but something struck me as a parallel between <em>Deep Breath</em> and <em>The Eleventh Hour: </em>in both cases, a key point comes when someone is asked to see the Doctor for who he really is. In <em>The Eleventh Hour </em>he&#8217;s literally standing right in front of a giant eyeball, asking the Atraxi to recognise him as Earth&#8217;s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33895"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/5/#post-30218" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:43:01 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/craig/' rel="nofollow">@Craig</a></p>
<blockquote><p>That final scene in Glasgow almost became a scene from a Richard Curtis movie.</p></blockquote>
<p>I so agree. When I heard the Doctor say, &#8216;I&#8217;m standing in front of you&#8217;, my mind immediately went to Notting Hill: &#8216;I&#8217;m just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her.&#8217; Glad they didn&#8217;t go there, by the way, and personally I liked the way it&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33870"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30199" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:00:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/cathannabel/' rel="nofollow">@cathannabel</a> Oh my, what links those location &#8216;coincidences&#8217; suggest! I could certainly see vague lines of something that weaves a connection between the virtual reality of <em>Forest of the Dead</em>, the parallel time stream stories of <em>Girl in the Fireplace </em>and <em>G</em><em>irl Who Waited</em>, and the closing scene from <em>Deep Breath.</em> Now this is what I call a long game!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and another thing: if The Moment knew how the Doctor could save Gallifrey, why didn&#8217;t she just tell him: &#8216;Look, just go back in time and instruct all your past and future selves to run for centuries the software routine that will put Gallifrey safely into a pocket universe&#8217;? Why does she go through this rather twisted process of putting him&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33865"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30195" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With apologies for &#8212; as <a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/whisht/' rel="nofollow">@Whisht</a> brilliantly puts it &#8212; &#8216;bonking out load&#8217;, I&#8217;d like to develop the theory that Missy is the Moment.</p>
<p>I think The Moment is a kind of &#8216;TARDIS of mass destruction&#8217;. We know it was of Gallifreyan origin (&#8216;the final act of the ancients of Gallifrey&#8217;), and, like the TARDIS, it is a kind of object that has gained its own&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33862"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30192" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or should that have read @Cath_Annabel ? Sorry don&#8217;t quite know how to write your user name.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cath Annabel Looking back through here just noticed that you had already noted the similarities with the Nimon scene when the Doctor is translating for the Dinosaur (or is he)? Apologies for not spotting that before. And I too am intrigued by the similarities between Missy&#8217;s paradise and the garden from <em>The Girl Who Waited</em>. And, as you say, there&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33856"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30186" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:27:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second thought on the Dream Lord/Valeyard theory. I think this is unlikely, since Moff would be on extremely thin ice if he did create a female version of the Doctor, and she turned out to represent his dark side. I don&#8217;t like the implications of that.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/purofilion/' rel="nofollow">@purofilion</a> Apologies, I missed that from earlier. The idea that she&#8217;s the TARDIS is interesting, but putting the TARDIS (or the Vortex?) into that form is surely no easy task. Two instances spring to mind: Rose as Bad Wolf, and of course something involving House again: could House be making a reappearance?</p>
<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/abxy/' rel="nofollow">@ABXY</a> Yes, I also thought this might&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33822"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30158" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:56:18 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After another re-watch (I&#8217;m getting a bit addicted to this), I have a couple of questions that puzzle me, and I&#8217;d be interested to hear what others think.</p>
<p>First, when the Doctor is going to sleep, and seems to be translating what the dinosaur is saying, at the end he says, &#8216;Can&#8217;t see me&#8217;. As Clara points out, the doesn&#8217;t seem to apply to the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33818"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/4/#post-30154" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/wolfweed/' rel="nofollow">@wolfweed</a> Fantastic spot. BBC cost-trimming by recycling locations, or significant plot point? I have to say, I&#8217;d go with the latter. (In the same way that I fondly believe that Moff never lazily re-uses ideas; he&#8217;s always just being self-referential.) Add in the white robots from <em>The Girl who Waited</em>, and is this more support for <em>The Mind Robber </em>hy&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33722"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/2/#post-30092" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:46:06 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just occurred to me that Madame de Pompadour was Louis XV&#8217;s official mistress. Missy, is that you?</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/janetteb/' rel="nofollow">@janetteB</a> I love your point that the Marie Antoinette and the Madame de Pompadour may suddenly have acquired a new importance, and this could be the seed of a larger arc. Time-travelling clockwork-android-operated spaceships that last for millions of years and are searching for the &#8216;promised land&#8217; are not to be sniffed at, especially now we know&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33673"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/2/#post-30055" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/wolfweed/' rel="nofollow">@wolfweed</a> No prob, and it&#8217;s really good to see all of them together. Personally, I&#8217;d hate it if it turned out be an evil, or even just a mildly deranged, Romana. That would spoil things for me, I think. I&#8217;d also rather think of River&#8217;s story as completed now. But they all look like plausible candidates in terms of building theories about who it&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33670"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/2/#post-30052" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:22:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/wolfweed/' rel="nofollow">@wolfweed</a> Thanks for the breakdown. I&#8217;d add two more to the list: The Moment (which we know can project itself as whomever it chooses), and a female version of The Master from The Mind Robber. That fits with the &#8216;Missy&#8217; = Mistress theme, but it also conveys the slightly fictional vibe I got off the character. It was almost as if she was narrating&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33667"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/page/2/#post-30049" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:56:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/members/bluesqueakpip/' rel="nofollow">@Bluesqueakpip</a> All very interesting. I especially like the meta-theory that a Master/Mistress this would be seeding the idea of a female Doctor. I have three daughters: they are really into the show, and dream of one day getting to play the Doctor, so I have a lot invested in this idea!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re suggesting Clara is a plant, there is of course&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-33644"><a href="http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/deep-breath/#post-30035" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>FiveFaces replied to the topic Deep Breath in the forum The Twelfth Doctor</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:50:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought: I did wonder if the time-travelling dinosaur (with a TARDIS inside her) may have been a reference to the time-travelling dinosaur embryos (inside a TARDIS) from <em>Mark of the Rani</em>. Personally, I hope Missy does not turn out to be the Rani.</p>
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