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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@craig, @bluesqueakpip, @purofilion et al–
I’d also give a shout-out to the Booker tome, although it is a serious doorstop of a book. I think there’s a danger that the Campbell approach gets overstated, particularly in Hollywood circles, and, like everything, it doesn’t apply to every single story. But it’s still ground-breaking, massively…[Read more]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@johnathan (or dronexi) —
No one’s attacking anyone. What has happened is that dronexi has put forward a claim that several other contributors have found completely unconvincing and have gone on to dismantle through cogent argument backed up by proof and example. Which is what we do here.
Similarly, I just don’t find this whole ‘hey, Newman…[Read more]
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JimTheFish wrote a new post, Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It’s harsh, and it’s cruel. But that’s why there’s us. Angel Season Four
Or we could go with Gunn’s description to Gwen:
‘For the past nine months, my life could probably best be described as a turgid, supernatural soap opera.’
Let’s just say that it could be fairly argued that s4 is overly dark and overly self-involved. There are points where it makes s6 of Buffy look positively carefree. But for all that, I have to say I’m still a big fan of it.
It does of course have its problems. As well as suffering from the same fallout from the implosion of Firefly that hit the final season of Buffy too, s4 had other problems. Charisma Carpenter’s real-life pregnancy essentially knackered what had been a carefully planned arc, set up over more than two seasons. The scuttlebutt goes that Joss was less than happy for the show to be thrown for a loop like that and it’s only in the past few years that the two have really made up over it. But it meant that Cordelia’s days on the show were numbered.
And so out goes Cordy as the season’s Big Bad and in comes the recently unemployed Gina Torres from Firefly as Jasmine. Personally, I don’t think she quite works as Jasmine and it didn’t really allow Torres to play to her strengths. She didn’t really manage to be quite beatific enough or quite sinister enough when Jasmine is exposed in my view.
But then again, the Jasmine Big Bad arc is relatively short-lived and it is only enlivened by the character beats of the regulars around it. Which we’ll get onto in a moment. However, it does illustrate the series willingness to undermine its own tropes, to question everything it has previously set up. In s2, we learnt that the Senior Partners of Wolfram & Hart are essentially unbeatable, an enemy that can never be beaten so long as evil exists in the heart of human beings. Now, we’re shown that the good guys, the Powers That Be, aren’t really to be trusted either, that they’re as susceptible to corruption, to dictatorial behaviour, as anyone. In Angel, nothing is beyond question, nothing is incorruptible. A question that we’ll return to in s5.
It does mean of all the Angel seasons, s4 is the one that could most be described as a mess. It has some great set-pieces – the rain of fire, the fights with the Beast, Fred’s plucky invasion of the body-snatchers moment – but it does rather feel like what it was, more than a little improvisational. S7 of Buffy did also suffer slightly from the same thing at the outset but I think managed to paper over the cracks a bit more.
The real shame about the chopping and changing of the main arc – one that had clearly been gestating all the way back from s1 and the handing of the visions to Cordelia, through to the ‘new life’ loophole of the s2 episode The Trial – is that it gives Cordy an undeservingly ignoble end to her time in the Buffiverse. However, I think this was going to be Cordelia’s last season one way or another. Her character arc was done basically. She’d gone from high school bee-atch, to compassionate protector of the helpless to glowy goddess Earth mother. There was nowhere else for her to go but evil.
The romance that had been built up between her and Angel had essentially painted the writing team into a corner too. It wasn’t going to be really possible to discard a Cordelia/Angel romance as something that would fizzle out a la Fred/Gunn or Cordelia’s own with Xander back in Buffy. It would be a big deal. But if you go down that road then that has implications for the parent show too. The whole ‘cookie dough’ scene (which I really hate) in the Buffy finale would be markedly different if Angel had to chip in ‘Actually, Buffy, I’m with Cordelia now.’ Can you imagine how that would have gone down?
It’s not helped by the fact that Charisma Carpenter is doing easily her worst work on either show here. We do have to cut her some slack, of course. She’s heavily pregnant, working with a kind of pissed off production team which is undoubtedly going to lead to some stress. But it’s a shame that her time on the show comes to such a downbeat end.
Now, all this sounds like it’s a bad or unenjoyable season. I’ve met more than a few people over the years who would argue that it is, that most of it amounts to ‘people being unhappy in dimly lit hotel rooms’. But I’d say that there’s plenty here to love and I do count this season pretty high up in my Buffiverse ratings – it quite comfortably trumps both s4 and s7 of Buffy for me, for example.
For instance, I’d say Deep Down is a great season opener which really sets up the new paths the regulars are all on. We get our brooding, tortured Angel back. We see the new badass Wesley in action – his scenes with both Lilah and Justine are great. And we see Connor get his comeuppance, courtesy of Fred with a Taser (and the first indication that her time in Pylea has not left her as fully stable as you might think).
True, there’s not much funny here. The only episodes with a really light touch are The House Always Wins and Spin the Bottle. The latter is basically an Angel take on Buffy s6’s Tabula Rasa. But rather than memory loss, we get a delightful temporary ‘reset’ switch on all the characters. Thus we get a chance to briefly see once more the dweeby, less tortured, Wesley of Buffy s3 and also the vapidly mean Cordelia of those days. We also get a nice insight into Fred’s character – nerdy stoner conspiracy theorist – and the chance to mock David Boreanaz’s risible Irish accent.
But it’s Alexis Denisof who steals the episode. He clearly relishes the chance to do a last bit of clowning around as Wesley to contrast with the grizzled, shotgun/double-pistol wielding badass, suspiciously Bond-like, figure Wesley has become. And he is great at both. Look at his confrontation with Gunn in Spin the Bottle.
Gunn: What happened to you, man?
Wesley: I had my throat cut and all my friends abandoned me.Now, there are lots of ways that line could have been screwed up. But Denisof delivers it perfectly, neither with too much self-pity nor too much gung-ho. Wesley as badass is not a character reset, or an artificial gimmick, it’s an evolution of character. The old Wesley is still in there and he’s hurt and resentful and actually a little confused.
And it can be more clearly seen in Wesley’s relationships with both Lilah and Fred. He clearly pines for Fred, has done since s3, but circumstances always just put her beyond his reach. And the Fred/Gunn/Wesley love triangle is going to play out for a bit longer too. It’s one of the most complex relationship seen in the Buffiverse. And not just from Wesley’s side either. It’s going to take Fred a long time to realise just what – and who – she wants.
But let’s talk about Lilah too. Lilah is the Other Woman. The temptress. Her relationship with Wesley is dark, carnal, and very adult, in terms of being full of unspoken agendas, desperate needs, psychological undercurrents. It’s full of snatched moments of lust borne out of hate or resentment, of phone sex, of role play. But rather than just play a straight Joans Collins-esque bitch, Stephanie Romanov infuses her with a touching vulnerability. See her jealousy at Fred, who she attempts to mock with the dressed-up parody of her, attempting to convince Wesley just how unthreatened she is. And witness her vulnerability, her hurt even, when Wesley turns the tables on her by making her go through with the sexual role play.
Not that there isn’t clearly genuine love and affection between them. Look at just how difficult Wesley finds dismembering Lilah after she’s thought to have been vamped by Angelus. “You didn’t love me” wails Wesley in their decidedly Six Feet Under-esque encounter in the basement. And his first act when he gains access to Wolfram and Hart is to try and – heroically but futilely – rescue Lilah from her eternal contract.
Wesley’s other key relationship this season is with Faith. The rogue slayer only makes a brief three-episode appearance in the season but it is a pivotal one and constitutes some of Eliza Dushku’s best work on the character. And it’s the culmination of a lot of long-running character arcs.
Primarily it’s Faith’s long-coming redemption. She finally gets to do the right thing, be the hero, be the Slayer. And she gets to repay Angel for what he’s done for her. She gets to save him. It’s telling that at Angel’s darkest hour, when he truly needs saved, it’s not Buffy who’s there for him, it’s Faith. Not that it’s easy. The beating that Angelus gives Faith, coupled with Wesley’s rather ruthless plan to bring Angelus down, really puts Faith through the wringer.
And it does, for me, put a whole new complexion on the Buffy/Faith dynamic in s7 of Buffy. I tend to agree with the Potentials taking Faith’s side over Buffy’s, especially over that whole night at the Bronze thing. If anyone deserved some R&R, it’s Faith. Alright, Buffy died and went to heaven and felt really, really sad about being back. But Faith has suffered just as much, more you might say, and I think by s7 you can give a credible argument that she’s just as much The Slayer as Buffy is. (As an aside, I do think it’s a real shame the Faith spin-off never happened as I’m not sure her character is done yet. And it’s the one Buffy spin-off I think you could still get away with, even after all these years.)
Wesley’s relationship with Faith is also resolved, more or less. Wesley’s first and most profound failure was as Faith’s watcher in Buffy s3 and this is something that has constantly been alluded to during his time in Angel. It’s an issue that clearly cuts deep with both of them, as we saw in the torture scene in Five by Five. Here we finally see what that might have been like, we finally see them working together side by side. And it’s not the easy ride we might have expected. In Wesley’s brutal torture of the vamp and Faith’s outrage at it, we see how far he’s fallen, and how far she’s reformed.
And the other final resolution we see is that of the Angel/Angelus relationship. This is the last time we’ll see Angelus, in the present at least, and what we see in Orpheus is Angel’s final mastery over his alter ego. Angelus is at last laid to rest.
But amid all this torture and dysfunctional relationships, there is at least one ray of positivity, one romance that’s flourishing, right? Not so much. The frankly sickening syrupy sweet romance of Gunn and Fred in s3 takes a serious turn for the worst in s4. As mentioned above, from her furious Tasering of Connor in Deep Down to her rebuke of Gunn in Ground State (‘You died and left me all alone’!), we see that Fred is still a deeply damaged person, capable of some really quite dark things.
This comes to a head in Supersymmetry, an episode I used to discount as being a minor one but now can’t for the life of me think why. It’s so loaded with major, major stuff. It’s the thing that sends Fred and Gunn’s relationship into terminal freefall as they both have to carry the burden of having taken a human life. It shows what Wesley is willing to do for Fred and just how broken his relationship with Gunn is. And it shows just how strong Fred actually is. And this is important for the later Shiny Happy People/Magic Bullet episodes.
And I’ve just realised I haven’t said anything about Connor. But what is there to say about his little Oedipal drama except ‘ewwwwww’. As Fred says, Connor’s relationship with Cordelia is ‘kind of icky’ but again the impression is that it was rather forced on the production team by circumstance, or at least ended up being a lot more rushed than it might have been.
It does serve to highlight how much Angel is informed by Classical myth and allusion compared to Buffy. We have things like the Oracles, the Furies, Angel’s descent to the Underworld to reclaim his soul, the sanctuary of Caritas (and what is Lorne but a Pan-like creature?) and we have the Powers That Be as capricious, corruptible God-like creatures, far closer to the Gods of Olympus than any infallible Christian concepts. And now we have the Oedipal myth. Buffy flirts with Christian mythology – demons, heavens, hells and so on – but Angel is much more Classical in its leanings. A world where Gods and Men and Demons all intermingle and none are necessarily better or more pure than the others, just more powerful.
With its detective trappings, Angel has always been something of a Noir show — as that strangely significant alley we see in the opening credits illustrates. And it’s never been more noir-ish than it is in this season. We have laconic, wounded masculine heroes (Angel, Wesley and Gunn all fit the bill in their own way), we have more than one femme fatale (Lilah, Cordelia and Jasmine) and we have a plot that is essentially a huge sting operation. Angel Inv are all conned and hoodwinked into releasing Jasmine into the world. This is foregrounded in a number of ways. The rigged game at the casino in The House Also Wins, Angel blackmailed into releasing Billy Blim in the previous season, the criminal antics of Electro-Girl Gwen and so on. It’s the last gasp of the detective gumshow schtick in Angel and they throw everything at it. Next year they’re going to be playing a somewhat different game.
And so we end the season with Angel Investigations having “ended world peace”. And being given a game-changer in the form of control of the LA branch of Wolfram and Hart. Season Four was essentially 22 episodes of our heroes in pain, and in darkness. But that’s over. Season Five is going to prove to be very different. There’s going to be more laughs. There’s going to be more sunshine. There’s going to be some serious shocks. And there’s going to be a kick-ass resolution – and one which for my money trumps Buffy’s.
Oh, and there’s also going to be some English peroxide bloke.
Right, just one more to go. Do you agree. Leave comments, questions and violent disagreement below. But keep Angel s5 off limits for now.
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11 years, 8 months ago - View
JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@purofilion and @summersmith —
I think it’s possible to overstate the religious symbolism in Who. Yes, RTD plays with it a lot but as has been said above, I think there’s an element of playfulness, of irony, about it. Plus it’s riffing on the McGann regeneration in the TV movie slightly.
As @purofilion says, the Doctor tended to define himself…[Read more]
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JimTheFish commented on the post, The trust is gone. Don’t be using my phrases when the trust is gone. Angel Season Three
@purofilion — well, I’ll get to s4 just as soon as I can then. The weekend maybe, so that gives you a bit of catch-up time.
RE. the shades of grey thing. Yes, that’s very much Angel’s thing. But let’s not […]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@dronexi –There are certainly ways to bring to discuss theology in the context of Who — although I’d bear in mind that RTD is avowedly atheist and SM from what I can gather veers towards agnostic/atheist. And certainly @bluesqueakpip is far better qualified than I to engage you on this topic. However, there are ways to broach such subjects and…[Read more]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@craig — Thought that was very funny. And they got the tone of a certain type of fanboy turned professional reviewer ARSE-i-ness just right in my opinion.
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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
@bluesqueakpip — good point. They’re all milestones of one kind or another. So I suppose it’s fair enough that they get placed.
But to my mind there’s an awful lot of outstanding episodes that have been passed over in favour of ones that are bordering on mediocre to bad. I truly hate Journey’s End for all its hubristic fanboy bombast and Army of…[Read more]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic On The Sofa (6)
Radio Times has put up its top 10 episodes of the modern era.
Personally, I think it’s veers towards the crap and I suspect has been hijacked by the Tennant fanboys. The End of Time, Army of Ghosts and even feckin’ Journey’s End get placed but The Eleventh Hour, The Pandorica Opens/Big Bang and The Lodger don’t? Pah! I call pish to that.
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JimTheFish replied to the topic General Open Thread – TV Shows (2)
@purofilion — that line of Wes’s is going to have call-backs later on in the season. But you’re definitely looking at a character in evolution with Wes this season. And it ain’t all going to be good.
Billy’s a great episode. Compare Gunn, who has already has a deeper, instinctual understanding of the darker side of his masculinity as opposed to…[Read more]
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JimTheFish commented on the post, The trust is gone. Don’t be using my phrases when the trust is gone. Angel Season Three
@purofilion and @cathannabel @everyone — happy St Paddy’s Day – in honour of the undead’s most unconvincing Irishman…
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JimTheFish commented on the post, The trust is gone. Don’t be using my phrases when the trust is gone. Angel Season Three
@purofilion — yes, guess who’s about to become a daddy…
Good idea to go the slow road, but just saying that you’re not quite done with the whole Buffiness of it. s5 is the season where the two shows find […]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic Death in Heaven
@purofilion — yes, they can’t say they weren’t warned… 😉
@ichabod et al — given its effect on the Master, I think a better name for it would be the bad-tempered schism….
good word, schism….
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JimTheFish replied to the topic Death in Heaven
At the risk of playing the heavy here, can we make sure that we try to stay on topic as much as we can? By all means, let us know who your favourite doctor is, as most of us have already done, in the Faces of the Doctor or the Doctor Who Memories thread. I think you’ll find them both worth a visit.
Any Who-related tidbits…[Read more]
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JimTheFish commented on the post, The trust is gone. Don’t be using my phrases when the trust is gone. Angel Season Three
@cathannabel — thanks for the comment anyway. Yeah, it’s really tough to write about this season without drifting into the next. They’re both so tightly bound up with each other. Whenever I hear people bitching […]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic Death in Heaven
@pedant — good to have you back. Where you been, man? Hope the move is working out OK.
@tenthdoctorFTW — apologies if you’re offended but that’s about as much of an olive branch as you’ll get. I hope you do stick around but the most cursory flick through this site will make clear that no one — no one — gets to make unsupported assertions,…[Read more]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic Death in Heaven
@purofilion — Just to add that I don’t think you’ve got anything to apologise for in the slightest. I suspect that you were probably right in your earlier asseertion that @TenthdoctorFTW had come looking for a fight. Certainly they should have realised that making unsupported assertions about nonexistent plot holes and then calling for Moffat’s…[Read more]
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JimTheFish commented on the post, The trust is gone. Don’t be using my phrases when the trust is gone. Angel Season Three
@purofilion — I think it’s safe to say that Darla is about to bring Angel Inv. a family-sized pack of trouble very, very soon., if you haven’t got to that already.
Lorne is very much a part of the furniture […]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic General Books thread
@bluesqueakpip — very sad news.
@scaryb — yeah, I like that Rankin is pretty up-front about just how much of an influence Laidlaw is in Rebus. And for my money, Strange Loyalties is McIlvanney’s best book. Starts of looking like a detective novel then sneakily takes you into all kinds of more literary places.
Yeah, I don’t think Blackstuff…[Read more]
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JimTheFish replied to the topic Death in Heaven
What exactly do you think was ‘the point’ of the last series? You might find it doesn’t tally with what many thought the point of the series was? And what does that really mean anyway? But I’d recommend scanning back through the posts on Death in Heaven and other stories to see that there aren’t really that many what you call plot holes. For…[Read more]
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