• ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @mudlark @blenkinsopthebrave

    Profiles of the Future: Arthur C Clarke’s 3rd Law…

    ‘Any sufficiently advanced technology is inextinguishable from magic’

    …apparently.

    The Time Window was tampered with…? Mmmm. We know someone who likes to mess around with that stuff, don’t we children? TUF guy. V. Mysterious. Could Warp your Mind! In fact the last…[Read more]

  • WhoHar replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @wolvesarerunning

    I loved the scene in Empire of Death with the mother in the tent.

    Hands down the best scene in the ep imo.

    One other thing, I don’t think has been mentioned yet. Wasn’t Ruby’s father called Garnet? Could just be RTD being playful, but Ruby and Garnet? Seems like it could / should have additional meaning.

  • VickyMallard replied to the topic Empire of Death

    Hm. After all this hoo-ha, and the absolute gripping last episode, I found this one rather anticlimactic. Or at least not what I had expected. It did have nice moments and twists – I liked Mel becoming “evil”, for example. Regarding the plt, I got a bit lost. The Doctor, Mel and Ruby travelled in… what exactly? A Tardis materialising from the…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic Empire of Death

    I know it is highly unlikely to happen, but I do hope  that RTD2 has second thoughts about all the magic malarky.

    I confess that I do not really want to see fairies on Who (except, perhaps, the Cottingley Fairies). An episode where the Doctor has to break it to Conan Doyle that he was duped sounds pretty great to me.

    But alas, I fear I may be wa…[Read more]

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    As  @ps1l0v3y0u  says, there is no answer; in fact nothing adds up in terms of the explanation offered. Who attaches a road sign to a lamp post on the premises of a pub, anyway? (For the record, I checked all the scenes in the Time Window where the lamp post is visible and, although the images aren’t exactly crystal clear, t…[Read more]

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    No. Not answered. Most things to do with the Time Window seem utterly baffling.

    Either:

    it’s a coincidence. High % chance she would be named Ruby by whoever. Did we get the name of the church? If it was All Saints, she could have been Nic Shaz Nat Mel Sunday.

    or they made it up to be nice to Ruby, she was actually p…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic Empire of Death

    Perhaps this has been answered above (if so, apologies), but if Ruby’s mother points at the road sign as a way of naming her, who is aware enough of this to have it put on her birth certificate?

    Watched “The Giggle” again last night and it shows that RTD2 can write an excellent episode if he wants to. Which make “Empire of Death” even more…[Read more]

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @miapatrick

    … it was Ruby’s mother who he couldn’t see

    Yes, now that you point it out. I suppose my mind was wandering down another path and interpreting ‘see’ in a much wider sense. But why, among all the other mothers who have abandoned their babies or given them up for adoption and whose children have since tried and failed to find them, was…[Read more]

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @thane16

    sorry meant to say this earlier. Copyright in Who… there were problems with Daleks in the sixties. Terry Nation wanted to sell them to the states, but maybe they weren’t commie enough.

    Jonathon Nathan Turner was anxious to shed Nyssa because he had to pay royalties everytime she appeared. I suspect she was originally going to become an…[Read more]

  • WolvesAreRunning replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @juniperfish

    Yes, I agree with this. And I don’t want to sound too harsh in my previous post. My main takeaway from this series is that it felt like proper Doctor Who. Monsters and scares, limitless possibility and a good heart. I just think someone needed to ask RTD to give more thought to certain elements of his scripts. And by the way, I c…[Read more]

  • Juniperfish replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @mudlark

    The problem, for me at least, was that after all the previous build up which misled us into thinking Ruby must be special in an extraordinary, possibly timey or extra-terrestrial way, and overpowered by the apocalyptic events earlier in the episode, it fell rather flat.

    Yes, I did think it would have been awesome if Ruby’s eyes had turned…[Read more]

  • WolvesAreRunning replied to the topic Empire of Death

    Well like many on here, I watched that episode with a sinking feeling. I’m not normally someone who talks to their TV, but even I found myself muttering ‘no no no’ as the Doctor screamed into space, blaming himself for something he had no control over. I mean, surely for that emotion to land he had to have actually done something wrong? Ignor…[Read more]

  • Miapatrick replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @mudlark my impression was that it was Ruby’s mother who he couldn’t see – this mysterious hooded person in the video that was projected into the room.

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Empire of Death

    Mrs Flood’s Snow Queen get up at the end suggests that she may play a bigger part in events in the Christmas episode, and given Moffat’s record in basing Christmas specials on what could loosely be termed fairy stories, maybe we should expect a Hans Andersen theme.

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @miapatrick @cathannabel

    He couldn’t see her, therefore he feared her, as a potential ‘rogue’ element that could sabotage his plan.

    True, but in the population of Earth, let alone in the universe as a whole, how many people are mysteries to themselves and others, so why was it Ruby alone whom Sutekh couldn’t see?  Was it the additional fact that s…[Read more]

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @thane16 @juniperfish

    The arc has been seeded with clues. Too many. We’re all over them and that’s what Russ wanted… but does that make for good art?

    It’s like Line of Duty and morse code. The problem with the ‘in show solution’ and the obvious solution have hamstrung the narrative a bit.
    As it happens there’s not enough information t…[Read more]

  • Cath Annabel replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @miapatrick Exactly! He couldn’t see her, therefore he feared her, as a potential ‘rogue’ element that could sabotage his plan. So he was thwarted by his lack of understanding of the species he was about to destroy, to whom ordinariness can be extraordinary.

  • Miapatrick replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @theconsultant I don’ love this episode, but I think the point with the god was, he couldn’t see her. He assumed she must be incredibly significant and important for that to be the case. And she was, but just to Ruby.

  • Miapatrick replied to the topic Empire of Death

    @juniperfish @thane16 – he looked in pain when Ruby left – but was he crying? I’m not sure there were tears.

    I think somebody has said here that this Doctor hasn’t shown the kind of awe inspiring anger that some of the last Doctors have, there is an outside chance that a Doctor might be too  well adjusted – or alternatively, we’re just not used…[Read more]

  • TheConsultant replied to the topic Empire of Death

    First episode was weak, last episode was poor verging on unacceptable.

    What’s the snow about?

    Why does a god want to know the name of a single mum?

    The whole thing felt crammed, and illogical. Frankly the tom baker encounter with Set is still superior.

    Acting is great for me the story writer needs replacement and please can we loose the music…[Read more]

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