• lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Blenkinsopthebrave Well if you are an appallingly rank sentimentalist then I think
    that holds for most of the rest of us as well! Who doesn’t wish Clara an ending
    in which everything works out ( and also everything that we have been bonkerizing
    also adds up 😉 )

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Bluesqueakpip @Mudlark @jphamlore

    I’m totally expecting a block buster twist about Clara’s last days. I expect nothing less!
    It seems to me that when Clara says ‘you don’t leave me’ that hit a nerve in the Doctor
    because he nearly keeled over. Why? Because he knows he needs to be with her to help with
    what ever it is will be…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Bluesqueakpip and @GothamCelt Sorry! – I got @ compromised again 🙁
    and the previous posts were @ both of you

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Bluequeakpip Yes! That’s where the regeneration energy that she recently absorbed
    may come into play. But it might possibly go wrong because of the Dalek influence?

    @GothamCell Interesting that a group of Ravens is known as a conspiracy. I love
    factoids like that.

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @RorySmith So you think that Clara is Missy’s granddaughter and that
    Missy wouldn’t care about sacrificing her. But I don’t understand how that
    will win any points for Missy with the Doctor. I thought she wanted to make
    amends with him not destroy him. She could have been compromised by some
    regeneration/Dalek energy. That is something I’d…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @purofilion the ‘bootstrap’ comes from a sci fi story.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_His_Bootstraps

    @Ozitenor Yeah Blink and also @jphamlore Genesis of the Daleks too!
    But the Doctor didn’t purposefully design those paradoxes as a means
    to personal ends in his own story yet.

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Ichabod I’m not ruling out that it could be Missy that sets into motion whatever
    it is that happens to get to the end of Clara as companion. But she isn’t really Missy’s
    creature.
    Unless its for maybe 5 minutes as a possible cliffhanger…. that could work

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Ichabod Missy has been back and forth on Clara’s timeline and has figured out
    the Clara connections. By hybrid I think she means that she already knows that Clara
    isn’t totally what she appears. It was established that as the impossible girl Clara is
    something new. Who better to weaponize for maximum impact then someone that is so close
    and…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    The ‘Impossible Astronaut’ and “Day of the Moon” made a great loop involving River. That was
    when I realized that the Doctor could skillfully manipulate loops. Then there was the “Big Bang”
    which was when the Tardis went into a time loop to save River. This was an important part of loop
    education for River too. She’s the original “loopy’ girl.…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @cumquat Bassett hounds are cool 🙂

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Arbutus I must humbly disagree. I think that since series 8 SM has been
    diligently mining myths, fairy tales, tarot etc. for effect. It all reinforces
    all his messaging towards the over all story arc. Furthermore, he seems to
    have extensive knowledge about all of this stuff and I bet he has been having
    lots of fun incorporating all of it…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    I’ve been thinking about these Tarot associations.
    In the Arthur legend when the Fisher king gets wounded the life force is
    drained out of him. This alien drained the life force out of people.
    Also, in the Tarot this card is associated with water and the alien
    died in a watery grave.

    Loving all these mythology interpretations in the series lots!

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Mudlark Yes just saying the costumes are extremely similar on 2 characters
    so it was probably an opportunity to re use a good costume.
    picture of…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Mudlark Why was the Tivoli dressed as a Victorian undertaker? I thought in Deep
    Breath the half-faced man was dressed in a similar fashion. Your right it seemed a
    peculiar choice on the Tivoli. I guessed they were trying to paint a point about
    death in both cases.

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    The Doctor said his regeneration was a bit of a clerical error. Then he also said he was
    changing history to save Clara. So again in those instances I thought of what that implies.
    It’s foreshadowing something and there’s definitely a point there.

    Then that conversation that they had where Clara says ‘you do not leave me’ felt like she
    was…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    The phone conversation between Clara and the Doctor sounded like River
    and reminiscent of the scene when River was about to die and made the speech
    to the TenDoc about her future having already happened. Later Clara also told
    the scientist that he has to keep going which were also words River used.

    The Doctor seemed like he was curiously frantic…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    Found the first 2 parter more satisfying. My feeling is that we are getting set up
    towards a very big paradox to come later. It could be about Clara and
    how they might end her story? They brought up ‘love’ is this episode. @Juniperfish
    River is going to be involved. The leaf the raven and rebirth.

  • lisa replied to the topic Before The Flood

    @Craig Love having your previews! Thank!

  • lisa replied to the topic On The Sofa (7)

    One more thing about the leaf possibly coming from a Sycamore tree. The Egyptian goddess Hathor
    is 1 of the 3 goddesses we have been previously been discussing. She is represented by the Sycamore
    and also mirrors and has strong connections with lots of celestial bodies. She is the sky goddess and
    is covered in stars. She is also supposed to be a…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic On The Sofa (7)

    @Mudlark Yes, my money is on the Sycamore which I know well because I have one.
    Thought that it was probably that but also thought I’d surf around to see if there
    was anything else. Sycamores are not native to the UK however the Egyptians
    also thought about them as portal trees between worlds. So maybe its that.
    Or maybe not? What I am sure…[Read more]

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