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John Feobisher was a compelling character, but I just don’t find the parallels that I do in Fires of Pompeii. I am almost certain that the hint is there. Something regarding his choice not to destroy the timeLord’s and the daleks.

 

Plus yep I know there have been many recastings in doctor who. Most famous for me was Colin Baker as a gyard in a Peter Davidson episode.

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I JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT I THINK!

So the 12th doctor assumed the face of Lucius Caecilius Iucundus during his adventure with Donna in Pompeii. In Deep Breath he asks why this face, why did he choose this face. I was re-watching  The Fires of Pompeii and I caught this and that question began to make a lot more sense….

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They reach Caecilius’ villa. The family is crouching on the ground, hugging each other, crying.

<b>CAECILIUS</b>
God save us, Doctor!

The Doctor looks at them, then turns away and enters the TARDIS.

<b>DONNA</b>
No! Doctor you can’t!

She knows she should go, but can’t leave them behind.

<b>DONNA</b>
Doctor!

The TARDIS engines start working. Donna finally runs inside.

<b>DONNA</b>
You can’t just leave them!

<b>THE DOCTOR</b>
Don’t you think I’ve done enough? History’s back in place and everyone dies.

<b>DONNA</b>
You’ve got to go back! Doctor, I’m telling you, take this thing back! (after a pause, quietly) It’s not fair.

<b>THE DOCTOR</b>
No, it’s not.

<b>DONNA</b>
But your own planet… It burned.

<b>THE DOCTOR</b>
That’s just it. Don’t you see, Donna? Can’t you understand? If I could go back and save them then I would, but I can’t. I can never go back, I can’t. I just can’t, I can’t.

DONNA (in tears)
Just someone. Please. Not the whole town. Just save someone.

The Doctor gives her a long look, before finally making up his mind.

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The TARDIS rematerializes in Caecilius’ villa. Surrounded by blinding light, the Doctor reaches out his hand to Caecilius.

<b>THE DOCTOR</b>
Come with me.

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Gallifrey = Pompeii however if he could save someone…who is it going to be?

The revelation could just be a nod back to the day of the doctor, but I tend to not ignore co-incidence in a Moffatt Storyline…

 

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Hi new to the forum. Been wanting to talk to someone else who is a fan of the show about a multitude of things, but the one most recently that has been bouncing around is that the story / movie Enders Game could massively be used as an analogue for a young doctor. Might even present a little of the whole “doctor, who?” The method comes down to this:

“In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them -”
“You beat them.” For a moment she was not afraid of his understanding.
“No, you don’t understand. I destroy them. I make it impossible for them to ever hurt me again. I grind them and grind them until they don’t exist.” – Ender & Valentine, Ch. 13: Valentine

plus by the end of the story what does he do? He steals a ship and runs away from his own people to try and save the very species that he nearly destroyed. Just seems like a basis of what shaped him. I would love to hear anyone who can see problems in this idea. Dont get me wrong either, i don’t think this movie is cannon, or in any way stolen from doctor who, just seems like if you wanted to show someone who wanted to know what the doctors formative years might have looked like, this could be an analogue.

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