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@thebrainofmoffat you are right, sorry about the mis-quote there  🙁

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Ah, just thought of what I was trying to think about earlier, re: the Listen Monster…

The episode starts with The Doctor theorising that a lifeform that is the perfect hider could have evolved. Then The Doctor goes looking for it, and comes across the path of a monster that is right out of his nightmare (or maybe no monster at all)… The episode wraps up with a scene that shows that Clara may have inadvertently created the deep seated nightmare in The Doctors mind. A lot of us have made the assumption that The Doctor’s nightmare was just a nightmare and that really there was no monster.

What if though, there IS still a perfectly hiding monster out there, and The Doctor’s (and everyone else’s) nightmares are about a real monster. The Doctor just may not have FOUND the monster. I mean, I’ve had bad dreams about being chased by non-monster scary things, i.e. angry dog, angry human person etc. The dreams weren’t about a SPECIFIC dog or person, but that doesn’t mean dogs and people don’t exist. I think perhaps The Doctor may have just given up his search too early… keeping looking (and listening) I say!

Cheers, take care all!

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Ah, but the secret of good Bonkers Theorising(TM) is that it is bold in sweep and recognises that the redness or blueness of bow ties (or surnames) is much more important than the genetic relationships.

Speaking of color changing costume items, I’m very curious why The Doctor was dressed in all black in Listen (and apparently in the upcoming Time Heist) and if this means anything. (Doesn’t The Master usually wear all black?)

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@handles  Also, again concerning the Doctor’s memory: Assuming all three pieces of evidence I mentioned in my last post are true instances of memory loss, could it be that the Doctor has at least one other personality? Could the Master possibly have been hidden inside the regeneration energy the Doctor received on Trenzalore (because the Master can do weird stuff like that — consult the 90′s movie and the End of Time two-parter)? Might the Time Lords who made the decision to gift the Doctor with more lives have built something strange into said energy (doesn’t make a lot of real world sense, but this show takes plenty of liberties)? Maybe something that would prompt the Doctor to find Gallifrey ASAP (e.g. forcing regenerations at an ever-quickening pace, with bad memory being a symptom)?

Hmm, I like where this idea is going. I had thought multiple Doctors based on the extra regen energy, but another Timelord coming through with that energy has some great implications as well. Whether it be The Master, or someone else, that could explain some of the things we’ve seen that look odd (the word listen, the open/closed doors in Robot of Sherwood etc.). Interested to see if there is someone else living in the Tardis!

Also, I’m pretty sure we have not seen the last of Orson Pink… I’m almost wondering, with the number of characters that seem more important than normal one shot guest stars, if we’re headed for some sort of Good Man Goes to War scenario, where the end of the season sees all of them showing up again to help fight the big bad at the end.

There seems to be a lot of theorizing about Clara meeting her end sometime soon. I think, even if she doesn’t die, she may well be on her way out of the Tardis. If you look at the history of companions (especially AG companions) it seems like they end up leaving around the time they come into their own as time travelers. When Donna got super timelord smart she was done, when Amy & Rory had settled in to living in the Tardis and could hold their own (Amy could operate the sonic on her own etc) they were done, Rose even got to the point where she could jump from world to world and was going Dalek hunting, and then her arc ended. It seems like Clara can handle herself (against the Sheriff of Nottingham, against HFM etc…) I think she may be heading out…

Hmmm… I thought I had some other ideas to toss out there, guess my brain is winding down for the day. If I remember, I’ll be sure to toss the ideas out here later…

Take care all!

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Hi all… long time lurker, first time poster here  😉

Absolutely loved this episode, watched it twice in a row… totally surprised by the drop-in to see the very young Doctor.

Now, as to what happened there, I feel like there is some BG Who precedent for this (hear me out on this)… I’m referring to the 6th Doctor story “Trial of a Timelord” We now know that The Valeyard is from somewhen post-Timewar, and is very obviously hanging around in pre-Timewar Gallifrey. Now I’m not saying that the events of “Listen” are in anyway related to The Valeyard or ToaT [note, I’m also not saying they AREN’T related], but I think this very much points to a mechanism that allows the Doctor to visit pre-Timewar Gallifrey.

Random observation from Listen: The Doctor was wearing all black the entire episode, not sure if this is important, or simply 12’s version of 10’s brown suit/blue suit…

Ok, and now time for some bonkers… I think there may be more than one Doctor floating around right now, and not multiple points in time Doctors, but more Star Trek transporter accident multiple Doctors (or Rudy from Misfits). What really made me think about this was the scene in Clara’s bedroom where he’s being reflected in three different mirrors. We’ve seen some things that indicate he may not be alone in the Tardis (a spoon reflection comes to mind). There has been some theorising that Missy may be a different aspect of The Doctor. Also the Doctor has been really dwelling on what kind of person he is, maybe this is different Doctors wondering about what parts of the personality they represent.  Think about it, when the Timelords gave him a LOT of regeneration energy this could have caused him to tear into multiple Doctors (this could explain the quick pop of Smith to Capaldi, because somewhere else in the Tardis one or two or more new Doctors have already popped out).

Anyways, that’s all the crazy I feel like tossing out in one post… probably more to come later!

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