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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion
Sadly I must totally disagree that this episode had anything to say about war, especially its status today.
For one thing, if one examines the statements of all major powers in the world today, everyone decries war and claims their actions are done to prevent war. This is what happens when language is degraded to mean whatever is convenient at…[Read more]
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion
I think in both the classic and new Doctor Who, immortality is an abomination against nature, and the Doctor would think twice about granting it to another companion, even Clara. He felt very uncomfortable about Captain Jack having it.
I like the theory, that I think I have by now read in multiple places, that the episodes at some point will…[Read more]
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion
The Doctor put a lot of emotion into his speech against war, a lot of his own personal history. He was quite believable. Then again, so was Davros in The Witch’s Familiar.
This will be interesting if Moffat decides to show this Capaldi version of the Doctor as more calculating, more alien, more dangerous than we can imagine.
The prophesy I s…[Read more]
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion
Fantastic finish. And it was logical: The first episode stated there had to be two Osgoods so a second one had to be found.
The Doctor apparently already achieved his objective of seizing control of the Black Archive.
On a darker note, it is clear the Doctor is actively trying to kill off as many soldiers as he can each episode. I guess he…[Read more]
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic Spoilers (2)
SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILER...
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
Now that I think harder about it, of course the Zygons have to be able to retain their human form away from humans. Why didn’t the Doctor realize this? After all, the Zygon residents of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, are thousands of miles away from the UK, and even if their copying can work over that distance, they can’t afford to turn b…[Read more]
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10 years, 11 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@pedant: However the very first moments of the episode indicate the two Osgoods were concerned that the loss of either would potentially be a fatal blow to the peace, because the two together are the peace. The two Zygon leaders stopped communicating with UNIT after the death of one. If I am to believe what has been stated by both the Osgoods a…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
And here is a totally bonkers explanation for what Osgood’s box is: In the clip shown at the beginning of the episode, we see a nuclear device about to detonate whose purpose was to destroy the Black Archive, even at the cost of the lives of everyone in London, to save the world.
As it happens, the Doctor has never approved of the existence of…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@steve-thorp: I interpret Amazing Grace as saying if one has faith in a higher moral calling, one will enter into a state of grace and obtain salvation. The Doctor is struggling with whether he is a good man and how should he stay on a high moral path.
It is appropriate when Osgood calls him that Amazing Grace plays because there was a time, Day…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
What is in the Osgood box?
What the viewer has been shown at the beginning is the three Doctors with their sonic screwdrivers shooting a memory editing device UNIT had in the Black Archive to temporarily erase from humans and Zygons imitating humans enough memories so they did not know who was human and who was Zygon. This technology earlier…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@supernumerary: To me the real problem UNIT, the elder Zygons, and the Doctor are having is the younger rebel Zygons are in the right. It appears that humans, admittedly ignorant, started the killing in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, of “Brits,” before it was even known some could be monsters. The younger Zygons were simply transported to s…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
Here’s my candidate for something in plain sight that the producers might be laughing at online fandom for not observing: Kate Stewart completely changes the color scheme of her clothes between when she is supposedly leaving Jac and Clara for Truth or Consequences and when she gets out at that town. The darker outfit at Truth or Consequences i…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@denvaldron: Maybe the Zygons modified the Skarasens to be more like giant earthworms. After all, something was needed to dig all of their tunnels …
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@arbutus: Yes both in Osgood’s film and the Doctor’s words, the health of both Osgoods is vital to the health of the treaty: The two Osgoods together are the treaty. When one was killed, the health of the treaty was endangered.
I am wondering if there is just enough wriggle room, especially if almost all of the deaths were not deaths, for e…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic Spoilers (2)
SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILER...
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
Here’s my evidence almost everyone in The Zygon Invasion is operating on a pretext.
Before she goes back to her apartment where she is captured by the Zygons, Clara refuses to answer her phone and also is wearing red lipstick, makeup something the Doctor has asked about before as to why she painted her face before a date with Danny. Clara d…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
Let us try to make progress by constructing a timeline according to the events of this episode.
Two years ago, in *Day of the Doctor*, humans and Zygons negotiated the treaty. The two Osgoods not only became the administrators, they were the treaty. Twenty million Zygons are hatched, imprinting mostly on residents of the UK, and then many are r…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
The only bad thing ordinary humans are accused of doing in the episode are the murders of the Zygons in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Unfortunately for the argument that one shouldn’t kill something just because it looks like a monster, the Doctor himself felt no compunction against programming humans to slaughter members of the Silence on…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
Err, there is a non-zero possibility that all of the purported violence in the context of the story of The Zygon Invasion is faked or will somehow be blocked. So this would if anything be an anti-lesson in the seriousness of using weapons or bombs.
The missile is not actually shown hitting and exploding the President of the World’s airplane. A…[Read more]
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10 years, 12 months ago - View
jphamlore replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion
@blenkinsopthebrave: As I have been speculating, the only way to preserve the political message is to have what appear to be incompetent elites actually be competent. The adult Zygon leaders claimed they had a plan to control the situation. I am assuming they do.
It might all a fake. Fake UNIT UK headquarters. Fake UNIT Jac and sol…[Read more]
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