@puroandson   Sorry for not getting back to you with a better explanation about what the Rotterdam

effect is sooner and thank you @Bluesqueakpip for answering that.

@Mudlark   I emailed my friend Debbie from Derby about your  environmental post .

She told me that there is also blame on EU for all the floods they have had.  She contends that sin…[Read more]

@Pedant

LOL!   You make me laugh .   🙂    Actually it has trailed  off  from half to about 44% . A lesser share.

But this also includes something called the Rotterdam-Antwerp effect.   That is to say many of the exports

heading out from the UK to the EU are actually diverted to other parts of the world thru those

ports.   Why?  This is a dire…[Read more]

@puroandson

Don’t forget that the Brexit means that the EU looses a lot too.  Mainly cash.  Lots and lots of it.

From the 5th largest economy in the world.   The EU’s economy would still in trouble even if

there was no brexit.   Half of all the investment in the UK still comes from other places .  That

wont all suddenly go poof cause of the br…[Read more]

@puroandson

I looked up Tony Gosling.  He is responsible for the documentary. He was an investigative reporter

for the BBC. He has a radio show in London.  He also  has an interesting looking  FB page that follows

British politics.   I don’t think this doc is conspiracy theory thing although he does seem to believe

the EU is a social socie…[Read more]

@puroandson

No lobbying is not ever essential. Its a huge problem here in the States.  I really hope we can do

something about getting money out of politics.  It has a strangle hold on our politicians. The

NRA situation alone totally is disgusting.  Cant even get a decent back round checks bill passed

in congress because so many congress fo…[Read more]

@puroandson

I just was chatting with my friend Debbie about our conversation on the forum about Brexit.

She is an Oncologist in Derby and tells me that the EU also effects the salary and schedules

of Doctors in the UK.   Her family are sheep farmers around Lincolnshire and the sell the wool

to make clothes.  Regulations from the EU has cr…[Read more]

@puroandson

I didn’t take any offense.   I know a lot of folks living around the midlands part of the UK.

They said the open borders situation was putting pressure on  them in various ways.

They anticipate taking some financial hits in the near term.  But regarding the EU redevelopment

grants like the 1 in Sunderland  the feeling was that th…[Read more]

@puroandson

Absolutely not!   In fact I see the EU as trying to be that.  Their grand experiment.

It was originally supposed to be only about trade and it morphed itself into some

totally different sort of platform that is being run by unelected bureaucrats that get paid

outrageous salaries.   I saw the euro plunged again today.   They cant se…[Read more]

@pedant

Maybe or maybe not. Now with the EU looking towards taking a hit without the UK cash cow

seems to me that it will only get worse for the euro.  I think there have been several polls that show

EU skepticism is growing.  Time will tell but it seems credible to me.

@pedant

Actually-   TBH  I think I have made a lot of sense.   The EU  IS  broken and all the Mediterranean

countries are proof.  They are all melting down.  I think the UK will come out of this fine.

Whether or not the kingdom stays together will be interesting but for me your amazing

history absolutely  proves that you can be  totally Great…[Read more]

+@Pedant

Welcome to the new world where you cant be protected by the EU.   But wait,  the EU

is so broken now that  you will probably be better off  in this new world.   You send

them 12+ billion  and then they turn around and send you back 4+ billion of  YOUR own

money as tokens to make some improvements.  I simply don’t understand th…[Read more]

@puroandson

I really do understand all of these points.  My point is that this may in fact be a good

outcome for the  UK.   I just posted  a link to an article above showing there is already

lots of other countries that are extremely interested in new trade deals with the UK.

While the UK was part of the EU they were essentially barred from …[Read more]

There is also this….

http://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-gearing-up-to-strike-trade-deals-with-britain/

These are real  trade deals!  Some countries that have markets greater than the EU.

Today the US, Canada and Mexico are having a meeting. I bet the Brexit is on their itinerary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/brexit-us-britain-trade-deal-224776

The EU isn’t your only trade partner.   The UK has been sending 12+ billion to the EU and

getting back 4+billion in investment.   The EU has consistently blocked trade agr…[Read more]

@Pedant    @Mersey   @all

I respect your opinions and you make good points .  I’m just saying you shouldn’t let the EU

try to make an example of you. Look what they have done to Greece.  Also,the EU has/is syphoning

huge sums of money out of the UK and then giving it almost all away in the form of grants to multi national

companies to move o…[Read more]

I think the UK wants to just control the free movement more.   Why shouldn’t  that happen?

It may be like the quota system that the Swiss have implemented.  I don’t think they want to

restrict the movement of retirees or students.

Still think that the EU will negotiate with the UK.  Because it  comes down to the economics the way

al…[Read more]

@Mersey

Its my understanding that part of the reason that Turkey isn’t yet part of the EU is in regards

to its Army’s  accountability and their resistance to EU reforms.   Didn’t  Merkel say that about

free movement months ago before the Brexit vote?   Well she might have a change of heart on

that when and if it comes down to how the loss…[Read more]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/nevermind-the-brexit-uk-will-emerge-with-a-good-trade-deal.html

Markets seem to be up everywhere today.  Why?   It seems the analysis of a Brexit deal is

beginning to change.   The UK  may come out of this much better than you’ve been thinking.

What’s wrong with taking back aspects of your national authorit…[Read more]

@Kharis

Love the conspiracy theories about  River and Clara and ravens and what not!  Like you I also

always felt River was Tasha.  Sorry about your online bank incident too. Can I ask which bank was it?

@puroandson                @Bluesqueakpip       @Mersey       @Mudlark            @Whisht

My sincere condolences to all of you on the outcome…[Read more]

Hi guys

I think I might feel a tiny regret butting into this conversation however I am curious about something

when  you vote tomorrow.  It seems to me that Norway and Switzerland are doing fine and aren’t

in the EU.  It also appears that the EU is going broke.  They have been issuing bonds with negative

interest rates.  So what I’m wonde…[Read more]