• Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    In future don’t make assumptions about either what other people think or what they know and you will find your comments are generally more apprecaited here.

    I am not the one making assumptions here.

    And I love that my comments are not appreciated for simply making a statement that Santa Claus is not real.

    I shouldn’t have bothered of c…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @janetteB All the Extras are on youtube.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @nerys What I liked the most about this episode is that is far from Christmas-y. Moffat’s take on Who has since the beginning been more mature. And I really don’t believe that with this episode he wanted to make people question is Santa Claus is real (whether adults enjoy in children’s beliefs or not).

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @janetteB Both Jenna and Moffat confirmed that she wanted to leave and that later on she changed her mind. Jenna talks about it in the Extra of “Last Christmas”

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @janetteB On the contrary to what people usually think, Santa Claus is not an entity that all cultures believe in. Doctor Who is meant to approach everyone. Making Santa real automatically excludes a portion of people.
    Besides Doctor Who is a science fiction show, not a fable.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @nerys

    My perception of that ending was that it was Santa Claus who orchestrated the whole thing to reunite Clara and the Doctor, so that they could repair their Gift of the Magi lies to one another.

    You forget that Clara was supposed to be written off in this episode and that Jenna changed her mind on her staying longer during the production,…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @janetteB I don’t know a single person that actually wants Santa to be real. Just because kids are taught to believe in him doesn’t mean that it should be made real. As you said, it’s a show for everyone, it’s not a kids show.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @janetteB

    just as we never will know, (I suspect) if the monster in Listen was real.

    It was very much implied that the monster in Listen is not a monster at all and therefore is not real. It is all a product of a child’s imagination.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @Bluesqueakpip

    I am beginning to wonder whether part of the reason for the Robin Hood episode was to introduce the audience to the idea that characters who are fictional in our universe might be real in the Whoniverse.

    I am not sure that just any work of fiction could be introduced as real in Who. I think the Whoniverse works as every other…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    I really deeply apologise for having an opinion and that that same opinion bothers you so much.

    My observations are that the episode is very well written, it manages to both give the chills and has fantastical moments of hilarity. A mix that I would never associate but it worked tremendously well (thanks to a wonderful writer). I liked a lot the…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @Bluesqueakpip

    The only way the Celestial Toymaker would return would be if a writer gets a stonkingly good stand-alone idea to reintroduce the character. I can’t think of any other reason to bring him back

    Are you aware that the story is yet to be filmed and you are judging/dismissing something that hasn’t been made yet? Literally bringing a…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @Bluesqueakpip It doesn’t have to be widely loved for someone to actually have enjoyed it, does it?

    While I do appreciate the stories, I am not such a big fanboy of the Guardians of Time, it was merely that while watching “Last Christmas”, the first impression that I had was that it was connected to The Crystal Guardian. As simple as that.…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @Bluesqueakpip Yes, but The Celestial Toymaker was also featured in the novelisations and comics. So technically there is more of him to be considered.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @blenkinsopthebrave Well, while New Who gives many nods to the Classic Who by quotations, I really think that it should do much more and bring characters back as well. And while Moffat would need a very good reason to bring a character like that, there could always be that he does? I’m sure he would have a very good reason to do just so (which I…[Read more]

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan Why? It’s a show that everybody watches (those who grew up with Classic Who and the new generations). Just because a part of the new generations isn’t aware/haven’t watched the earlier episodes, I don’t think that it is to exclude a return of characters of the Classic era.

  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    @lisa She didn’t necessarily let him to the dream crabs but to The Celestial Toymaker. At this point the dream crabs could even not be a real thing but all a setup of The Toymaker to mess with The Doctor’s mind.

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  • Nine9 replied to the topic Last Christmas

    We all cannot ignore the fact that the tangerine at the end signifies that either they’re still trapped in a dream.

    My theory is that Santa Claus is The Celestial Toymaker and that basically all of what happened is one of his mind games and that The Doctor is trapped in his ‘Fun House’. What if Missy’s coordinates led The Doctor directly in the…[Read more]

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