That was … amazing.  I echo the sentiments above – such brave, exciting television.  Truly horrifying.  I had the realisation that he was in/creating his confession dial on the 3rd confession – and then realised the ‘I’m in 12’ meant his own skull.

I suspect there is a wider bootstrap loop in operation, or the order-of-episodes theory is co…[Read more]

Hi everyone,
I’ve been away so I was only able to catch up and watch the episode last night.  @drben I  DO live in a world of very-limited-media and thus had seen no headlines, spoilers, or otherwise.  So, although we all knew it had to come, it was a shock.

Many things (apart from Clara’s amazing bravery) that stood out.  It really was quite stu…[Read more]

@blenkinsopthebrave Thank you – it looks like another late night for me.  As I remarked earlier, sleep – who needs it!

I’ve only seen the show since David Tennant, although I had seen some of the new series 1, so I suppose he’s my benchmark.  I loved him in the role, his quick flashes.

I guess that although I love him in the role, especially the Donna series, I’m going to raise my head above the parapet here and say that in general I much prefer the Moffat style…[Read more]

@lisa Hi! I very much agree that this theme has been present throughout the series, but I’m proposing that in Sleep No more and Before the Flood, we are dealing with signals which directly change our entire being, just by virtue of seeing/hearing them, no need to be plugged into anything.

@blenkinsopthebrave I haven’t seen much Star trek, but I love the idea of that episode you describe, the whole meta approach.  Its very much in accordance with the idea I’ve read, that according to (hmm – is it according to speculative cosmologists, or computer scientists, or – an unholy ‘hybrid’ of the two ) its impossible for us in our…[Read more]

I just re-watched.  I think the episode is bloomin’ brilliant.  Just the whole way its put together, the story within a story – we’re all just stories, in the end…  There are so many layers to this one, and with what we’ve seen we don’t know enough to get the whole ‘story’.

How is Rasmussen still alive at the end after being shot?  Or was he…[Read more]

@blenkinsopthebrave  I strongly feel that Gatiss has consciously written a meta fiction here. I don’t believe it is supposed to fit into a narrative where A must mean B and therefore C in terms of canonical Who. I think the fact that the Doctor realises it is all a “story” is key here. That’s just what it is. A story. And Gatiss is reminding…

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Just a thought (and I don’t look ahead at schedules, so that everything can be fresh for me).  It may be a 2-parter, but does the 2nd part have to follow directly after in order?

Well, the sofa came in handy,  and some jammy dodgers at crucial moments.  @arbutus Me too!  I liked it, but not too sure at all what its all about and more importantly its significance.

I take it that since they never saw the end, they haven’t been exposed to the signal burst on the video, so Clara isn’t actually in the process of becoming a Sa…[Read more]

Wow – just amazing.  CapaldiDoc’s speech was breath-taking, a blistering performance.  As was Coleman’s portrayal of Clara-Bonnie.  Zygella – ha!

Loved the quick wee gags too – ‘London, what a dump’.

Time to let it all sink in now.

@pedant So what does it mean to be a Zygon?

Or, So what does it mean to be a Zygon, particularly when one’s home planet has been blown up in this <insert adjective> time war, and now we’re meant to work with this man/Time lord whose race was one of those responsible?!  From that viewpoint I think they’ve been remarkably calm.  Anyway, that’s  th…[Read more]

@bluesqueakpip I’ll go check – I’m not far from Inverness… Not many milkmaids these days at all, it has to be said!

@pedant  Thanks!  I’m on a new PC and haven’t yet set everything up.  If its not fashionable, then perhaps I should head in that direction.   As Mark Twain said.

@purofilion
Also, beautifully expressed. It is quite true -in this internet age, there is so little we know about each other really, but the first thing, the most important question, I suppose, is: “who are we?” or “Who am I and what do I stand for? If I do not stand for something then I will surely fall”

Indeed.  And I find that it takes constant…[Read more]

@supernumerary

as far as I’m concerned, a spade is a spade until it lays its suckery hand on me.

<<sleeucchh>> sound of suckery hand! Behind you!

Anyway, how do I know you’re not all zygons?  You’ve assumed the identities of these forum posters, and are merrily creating diversions and plans.

Actually , I just remembered a favourite book from ye…[Read more]

@mudlark @pedant

Thank you, so beautifully written and expressed.

I think what stands out is that many of us here have an appreciation for the Doctor’s ‘humanity’ (wrong word when applied to all species) and compassion.  Always striving to get the bigger picture, to understand your apparent enemies, to appreciate where they’re coming from, to…[Read more]

@ichabod

I think that’s an excellent question!  And it raises one of my ingrained objections to concepts of “purity”, in the name of which so many great crimes have been committed.  How can you tell what’s “pure” unless you’re in a chem lab?

Indeed! Thats what I was heading towards, although in my normal long-winded fashion I didn’t actually…[Read more]

@countscarlioni Brilliant, on the ‘box’ being empty.  I like it.  Also Kate as Zygon-Kate, this could work very well.

@whisht
The school called Draketown

Well-spotted! Excellent – serpent theories can continue unabated 🙂

@iusedtobethedoctor Hi there – I’m about 200 miles North of you… I disagree however that Clara’s fate is to end up as the C…[Read more]

Thanks for the link! @bendubz11  Its always encouraging when others are having similar thoughts.

@countscarlioni It was delightful to see Osgood, and I really like how she played it as there being no difference, it didn’t matter which she was as she and her sister were true twin-hybrids.  And that conversation – question mark u…[Read more]