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The clip promised by SM for the not spoiling of this episode because of the early release boo-boo is now online here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0

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@timeloop – the promised clip will be posted later this evening… http://m.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2013/may/18/steven-moffat-fans-saved-doctor-who-finale

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Wowzers!! Fantastic! Yup it looks like John Hurt is the ‘dark’ original before he chose to live as ‘The Doctor’. Had a few tears myself through that one. Why is November so far away!

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About an hour to go and the excitement levels are building!! So much so that I’ve had to change the water in my fish bowl twice already! Looking forward to logging in later and reading all of your views and ideas.

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Just found the following which may or may not contain truths about future revelations, it’s an interesting idea…
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/05/11/this-week-in-doctor-who-spoilers/

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Hello again everyone! Any jammy dodgers left?

@holymackerel — Winifred Gillyflower —
Refiling Wily Red Wolf?
Wild Wolf Refine Girly??
Red Wife Wolf Ring Lily???
Who knows?

@scaryb – the only thing tinternet throws up for 1893 1983 is…
Joan Miro 1893-1983, painter.

Quoted as saying his work “always takes place in THREE stages: first, the suggestion, always forms the material; second, the conscious organization of these forms; and third, the compositional enrichment.” He also states that he could be inspired by anything, like a crack on the wall.

His life philosophy was “you must always plant your feet firmly on the ground if you want to jump into the air. The fact that I come down to Earth from time to time makes it possible to jump all the higher.”

Gilliflower is interesting in that it is – Dianthus (Diana?) or a Carnation from the old French meaning flesh colour

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@phileasf – Not sure what was in The Beano Summer Special 1981 but the cover clearly shows a dolphin. I vaguely remember a line in A Christmas Carol along the lines of not thinking sky shark but dolphin, not too sure what relevence dolphins have had in DW before. So long and thanks for all the fish…

@juniperfish – I’m with you on the use of Osirian mythology, it does seem to fit.
@bluesqueakpip – I love the idea that the Doctor is fragmenting in some way and we are witnessing it, it fits nicely with a few theories I’ve read on here.

@haveyoufedthefish – “The most obvious explanation though is simply 5 + 6 = 11 surely?” Agreed and may be I am thinking too much (not drinking enough) but many cultures have attributed ideas to numbers. For example, many cultures believe 1 to be a primordial unity and often a masculine principle. 2 is seen as balance (two sides); the dual nature of being and the opposing feminine principle. 3 represents the Trinity, the manifestation into the physical, the three stages of universe, the three stages of life, the whole – as it contains the beginning, a middle and an end. etc etc blah blah blah. I was just wondering if Stephan Moffat ever used numbers in DW as a relational tool and wandered a little to far down that path in my enthusiasm.

@htpbdet  – wow! I need a gin and tonic myself after that!

@thommck & @ardaraith – the fruit thing stuck out to me too. He clearly seemed to be enjoying it so why did he not eat it when Clara did and after ‘testing’ it.

Does anyone know what effect giving Amy the bracelet to protect her from the nanogene cloud in Asylum would have had upon the Doctor. Since Oswin wiped the Doctor from the Daleks collectively shared knowledge is he forgetting who he is too as he slowly turns into one of them from the lack of protection?

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@Shazzbot – I am not so sure on number theories myself but I do know Stephen Moffat likes to play with us. Who knows what his beliefs are or what books he reads but if there is anything in the number clues or past links then as you say he is fiendishly clever. It cannot be an easy task to satisfy the modern audience and those of us old enough to have watched the earlier seasons. I didn’t watch a lot of the nu Who when it came back to our screens as it just wasn’t like the old stuff of my memories but trying to find links and clues to the overall story from the beginning is challenging and has engaged me in a way I thought the modern Who would never do. May be I’m looking for something that just isn’t there.

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Hello everyone, I’m new here but loving the bonkers theories having spent a few days reading through them all. Unfortunately my knowledge of the episodes are not as great as any of yours but after reading some of your ideas and rewatching the four episodes starring JFC something ‘popped’ into my head.

Assuming that JFC as Clara/Oswin appears in all of the remaining episodes of this current series and that my math is correct, she will appear 10 times, making her 50th Anniversary show appearance her 11th. As I understand it JFC was not destined to be in Asylum but Moffat decided, for some reason only known to himself to, to use her. Why? It must be of importance.
Does anyone with better knowledge of the Doctors than I see anything in the idea that in each of Clara’s episodes she may represent one of the Doctor’s previous incarnations…
or
…each episode she is in, is the Doctor is behaving as one of the earlier versions of himself? This would explain Matt Smith’s acting differences as some you have noticed…
or
…do they embody together an particular incarnation in each episode.
Examples:
In Clara’s 2nd appearance, Snowmen, the Doctor makes a big thing of staring in the mirror and talking about his bow tie. Matt Smith has stated his costume and particularly the bow tie was influenced by Troughton. Also 2 seemed often to be a bumbling fool in order that others would underestimate his true abilities and in this episode 11 says “May be I’m an idiot” to which Clara replies “No you’re clever”, does she see through 11, either knowlingly or unknowlingly, and to the truth within himself?

For Clara’s 3rd appearance, Bells, could the reversing of the uploads refer to the iconic line by 3, “Reverse the polarity”. Also 3 liked modified vehicles somewhat like 11’s motorbike.

All rather dodgy points and nothing concrete I know but as I said at the beginning of this post my knowledge is not great but may be one or more of you can see something in this idea.

For those who like to mull over number theory here’s a little something to ponder upon. How often have the numbers 5 & 6 been used recently? I noted in Bells that it was floor 65 of the Shard where Kizlet ran the operations from. (BTW Kizlet is very similar to Kismet (meaning fate or destiny) and the first recorded use of the word in English was by Edward Backhouse Eastwick, spelled kismat, in his 1849 novel Dry Leaves from Young Egypt!)

Clara = 5 Letters
Oswald = 6 Letters
5 is linked to Microcosm
6 is linked to Macrocosm

Everything grows out of three great fundamental principles; 1, 2 & 3. Six is not only 1+2+3 but also 1x2x3 so it is the complete embodiment and expression of all three fundamental energies [RYCBAR123 anyone??? There’s 6 letters to RYCBAR too!].

11 is where 1 meets 1 and facing ourselves is the most difficult job, so it needs strength. Eleven is significantly 5 (microcosm) plus 6 (macrocosm), so it shows us the strength of their being in harmony.

For those with Egyptian theories:
Osiris and Isis are the 6th and 5th gods in the ancient Egyptian ennead. Osiris and Isis are the great grandchildren of the creator god Atum and their famous relationship is the relationship between 6 and 5. Atum’s name is thought to be derived from ‘tem’ meaning to complete or finish and he is considered to be the first god and therefore the god of pre-existence and post-existence.

…and then some other random stuff..

The Snowflake and The Flower
6 is the number of structure. The hexagon is used for structure at all scales in the universe from the microcosm to the macrocosm. Snowflakes are always hexagonal.
5 is the number of life. All trees bearing fruit we can eat have blossoms with 5 petals.

Sorry about all the 5’s and 6’s and probably totally irrelevant but I do love numbers, mathematics is after all the language of the universe. How relevant have numbers been in the past to Moffat’s storylines?

Cheers all and keep up with those bonkers theories!

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