S32 (6) 10 – The Girl Who Waited
23 February 2013 at 10:17 #2829Craig @craigEmperor
Repeated on BBC3 on 23 February. Amy is trapped in a different time stream in a quarantine facility. Can Rory save her before she is killed by kindness?
Here’s what we originally thought:5 March 2013 at 15:40 #3051ScaryB @scaryb
Brilliant, just brilliant. And even better on a repeat. Karen is on great form, totally convincing; several unanswered, uncomfortable questions also…5 March 2013 at 15:51 #3053ScaryB @scaryb
And over on the Guardian blog for this episode … on page 22 it’s a classic Alexander v Chris Kilby (and the world!) spat
😀5 March 2013 at 21:06 #3055Anonymous @
@scaryb — ah yes, that was the infamous ‘why can’t the Doctor still be asexual’ debate. Interesting to see me and just about everyone else locking horns with asgill there. And chriskilby is much missed — I used to really enjoy his posts. That was quite a belter of a thread in general. I enjoyed revisiting it.8 February 2014 at 12:35 #25093Anonymous @
TGWW has always been one of my favorite episodes @arbutus. I haven’t tried to explain it before now. It is definitely a lot more complicated than I thought. The Doctor even says that the two timestreams facility is “extrawabbley” compared to regular time streams. What makes them different than the ordinary time streams is they are artificially created by ‘temporal engines’ at the facility. That explains why there is usually only one person on the time stream at a time there. To make things even more complicated, some time streams move at different speeds (I estimated that the red one is 20000 times faster than the green one). On top of that there are two paradoxes (the TARDIS holds them in place), and the Doctor lies a lot. 😆 So the two time line theory we have been discussing is not real easy to apply in this episode (It is completely backwards). But many of the rules for time streams in general are still in place and the older Amy even explains some of them.
You could be right that time streams and time lines are technically two different things? But so far I haven’t found a reason to distinguish between the two (interchangeable IMO).17 October 2020 at 21:21 #71053blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave
Rewatched this last night, for the first time in ages. Had forgotten just how good it was. Karen Gillan puts in a bravura performance. The emotion is complex and riveting, the decisions that have to be made are complex and painful, the Doctor is both caring and brutal. Everything about it works–the writing, the acting, the direction. This was an episode that showed what Doctor Who was capable of.18 October 2020 at 02:40 #71055winston @winston
@blenkinsopthebrave I agree with you so much that I rarely watch it because it is so intense and sad. This episode is so good it is hard to watch.
Stay safe.18 October 2020 at 05:25 #71056Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent
That is one of my absolute favourite stand-alone episodes. It is actually a classic tragedy, but with no villain except Time. Amy seems fated to suffer these glitches of the timeline.
But it set up a situation at the end where there was no good answer. The classic ‘trolley problem’. Far, far worse than just facing terrible consequences, is having to choose between two equally terrible consequences.
It is magnificently built up. At first it just looks like the familiar rescue-the-fugitive problem where Rory just has to track down Amy and rescue her from the Handbots. But then we get the reveal that Amy is now Old Amy and she doesn’t want to lose 36 years of her life. Awkward. Amy and Old Amy ‘meet’ and find they quite like each other, sharing common memories. And then they *both* want to be rescued. And the Doctor knows this is impossible and is forced into a flat-out lie. He knows what the consequences are going to be, but what else can he do?
And then we almost forget that incompatibility, watching the McGuffins of Rory fiddling with wiring and the Amys fighting off the handbots to get back to the Tardis, and start to think the Doctor’s gobbledegook about reality compensators might be true, right until the Doctor shuts the door on Old Amy. But, at that point, what else could the Doctor do? The only thing he could have done differently at that point would have been to forbid Rory from opening the door to let Old Amy in, rather than putting it on Rory to decide. Which might have led to a cataclysmic Doctor-Rory confrontation but wouldn’t have changed the outcome. And it leaves Old Amy telling Rory not to let her in…
I just glanced through the transcript before I wrote this to get a couple of recollections straight and I can’t even read that without going a bit sniffly. An absolute masterpiece of an episode.
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