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  • Craig replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave @purofilion Apologies. Got to them as fast as I could. As soon as the red alert siren went off. Now I have to go to bed. Again.

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  • @blenkinsopthebrave

    I suspect that the idea of Truth or Consequences is built into the treaty as a failsafe, and that at the first sign of insurrection Osgood(s) set the scenario in motion by seeding the idea and location – in order to keep an element of control over events.

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  • Mersey replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    I must misunderstand you.

    Doctor is the one who let them go free. And that’s what he usually does. Saves the day and sets villainous aliens free (gives them a chance). I think that proves his superiority over terrorized and unforgiving humans (maybe that’s why he said Harriet Jones’s line; to bring her back and show that he’s…[Read more]

  • PhaseShift replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    Hi all,

    There is a nice little interview with Peter Harness here, discussing writing for the show. I’m sure @blenkinsopthebrave will be delighted that his reference to Invasion of the Body Snatchers is confirmed as first and foremost in his mind as he was writing. The 1970s version which may delight @purofilion. Àpparently the inspiration for…[Read more]

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @Blenkinsopthebrave

    Oh, gosh. I’ve already got into one major row about religion on this site this week; I’d really prefer not to get into Religious Row II – Grace Abounds.

    He is anguished and he is tortured, as he explains with great conviction. And that is my point. Those inner consequences are nowhere in evidence when it comes to…

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  • DrBen replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave – Ah I see.  I think we can assume that Bonnie/Osgood’s darkest days are ahead of her.  Nine was still able to be outwardly cheerful despite having just (apparently) slaughtered his entire race, but the guilt and remorse were there nonetheless.

    I think we can say Bonnie/Osgood is “good” because of the choices she chooses to m…[Read more]

  • DrBen replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave – I understand the point, but what purpose would be served by punishing Bonnie?  Any action against her would cause more hostilities from the separatist Zygons.  The only path to peace involved a blank slate.

    Something else I forgot to mention earlier.  The Doctor’s throwaway line of “that’s what you said the first 14 ti…[Read more]

  • Mersey replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    For Bonnie, there was no remorse, no evident feelings of guilt, no…consequences.

    As well for Missy. That’s very doctorish.

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @Blenkinsopthebrave

    But what about, well…consequences? By the end of the story Bonnie has become Osgood 2, and with Osgood 1 she is content, and on the side of the angels.

    Yup. That’s (Amazing) Grace for you. 🙂

    The Doctor is either (Timestream 1) the mass murderer of over two billion children OR (Timestream 2) the nearly-mass-murderer of… Y…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic The Zygon Inversion

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    Hope all is well with you! Yes I agree but I think that this Doctor is about showing
    Mercy. the 9th was the warrior the 10th was the one that regrets the 11th was the one
    that forgets and the 12th is the one that shows mercy and forgives. Did that with Davros
    too.

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  • lisa replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion

    @jphamlore @blenkinsopthebrave

    Great ideas! I’m inclined to think of Clara being a hybrid with some Zygon
    in her and that she has been picking up lots of little bits of hybrid-ish
    features going back to SmithDoc starting with the time stream and then the
    hacking talents and so on. So my question now is what all these…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion

    @Blenkinsopthebrave I totally missed that! Thanks tons and acres because
    I sure do need it 🙂

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  • geoffers replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    Mind you, as I type this our two household cats are lying asleep at my feet, and I am not at all sure that they might not be zygons!

    well, they’re cats, at least, and that means they’ll eat your face if you die! six of one, half-a-dozen of the other, lol…

    and i agree with you, i don’t think the doctor has/is a duplicate.…[Read more]

  • CountScarlioni replied to the topic The Zygon Invasion

    @lisa @blenkinsopthebrave  @purofilion   and fellow box theorists, I wondered if the Osgood Box was anything like a match to the box in The Day of the Doctor, but it seems not, though it’s hard to be sure. The box that was on the table in front of the Osgoods at the start of The Zygon Invasion does look a bit larger. Or is it simply the camera a…[Read more]

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