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A man, in a dessert, crawls across the sand crying, “water,….water,….water…”
Dr Who fans crawl in front of the TV crying, “decent script,…..decent script…”

It seems the whole episode was created and shown just to set up Missy’s response of
being surprised. I usually do not like a show’s finale to arrive, because I have to wait
till next season to see new episodes. But this season of Dr Who, the finale can’t get here
fast enough. For me, the ONLY saving grace for this season is for the character of Clara
to be killed off, in a way that we are guaranteed that she can never return. Dr Who has
been a fantastic run up till this season. This episode, In The Forest, the trailer was
better than the show.

As far as Danny Pink, as another poster said, Danny grew on me this episode. The kids did
a good acting job IMO. But, I think everyone here could write a better show than what was just
shown. The trailer for the finale looked good, but so did the trailer for this show. The finale
will need to be a blockbuster, mind blowing, amazing finale, to make up for what we have had to
endure.

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@thommck
She wouldn’t have seen the 12th Doctor (Capaldi) as the Doctor’s time-scar only went up to his death on Trenzalore (before the timelords saved gave him a new set of regenerations).

That don’t explain how she didn’t know the war doctor, nor how she forgot Tom Baker’s doctor
in the museum. Someone is collecting intel on the Doctor, and Clara is the pawn
that is collecting it. Someone has gone out of their way to put Clara with the Doctor.
To help him out? That might be what Clara thinks. You’ve only heard her opinion on the matter.
We haven’t heard the Doctor’s opinion, nor Missy’s. Matt Smith knew something was wrong and that it
centered on him. Clara, in the time stream, I think, was a planned event. To kill the Doctor takes
a lot of planning and intel. Matt Smith called Clara after Capaldi become the doctor, to
explain to Clara the Capaldi doctor. Problem is, Matt Smith hadn’t lived it yet to know.
Which means, the doctor set Clara up to believe something, a lie, then the Capaldi doctor
lives out the lie, to hide his own intent. If the doctor doesn’t know who she is yet, it is
still something we will find out. Much like Matt Smith and Amy’s doppelganger, of living flesh,
Capaldi is playing along too. River had a link to Clara, that we haven’t learned yet. Missy has a
link to Clara as well. Same link? Clara showing up in the time stream seems very planned out.
If Missy is watching this Clara, then she has probably watched all the Clara’s around the doctor.

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Yet more Clara theory……sorry, but my mind is working overtime right now.

Here is what we have seen:
1. The dalek Clara, Victorian Clara, and modern Clara didn’t know the
doctor when she first sees him.
2. The war doctor clara didn’t know the war doctor when she sees him, yet
she knows Matt Smith’s doctor. She even admits to seeing all the doctors.
How???
3. We assume the dalek clara died. We see the Victorian Clara die. Matt Smith
tells modern Clara, if she jumps into the time stream it would kill her. Maybe it did,
which would make modern Clara just a copy also. Will the real Clara please stand up.
Something or someone had to be responsible for multiple Clara’s. Was it due to Clara
jumping into the time stream or does Missy have a hand in it?
4. The Clara traveling with the Doctor now (we assume) is the Clara from the War Doctor’s
time stream.
5. We have seen 4 different confirmed Clara’s: 1. Dalek Clara, 2. Victorian Clara, 3. Modern Clara,
and 4. War Doctor Clara.

So, have we seen the “original Clara” yet? When Matt Smith goes to save Clara, is it the “original Clara”
we have yet to see? Or was “original Clara” the modern Clara that jumped into the time stream, went to
Missy and THEN copies sent out? When Clara leaves the tardis and later travels with the Doctor, is
it the same one? When a “Clara” meets a new doctor, she doesn’t know him. Is she gaining information
on the doctor? Learning about the doctor? If Missy is Mels/River Song, who is suppose to kill the
doctor, collecting intel is a first step. As the doctor’s time stream moves forward, River Song’s
time stream moves backwards. River Song did say she was linked to Clara. Right now, there are two
possible ways: By Courtney Woods or by Missy. Clara may not know River Song’s other regens like she
doesn’t seem to know the Doctor’s at first. If Missy is River Song, then it is early in her time line,
which fits the pattern of the Doctor and River, because Capaldi is later in the doctor’s time line.
This would also lead people to assume Missy is the Master, another time lord. But River was time lord
as well.

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Some additional thoughts on Clara. My memory my be foggy, so chime in to correct
when needed.

Clara jumps into the Dr’s time stream and is split into multiple Clara’s.
We see the clips of her trying to help the Dr. When Matt Smith goes to
save her, she is with the war Dr. Matt saved “the Clara” in the War Dr’s
time stream. Clara says she has seen all the Drs but not the War Dr. (Red Flag).
She didn’t know who the War Dr was? Or maybe the party responsible for Clara
being with the Drs and training her, didn’t know about the War Dr. And why were
there “3”, yes “3” Clara’s in Matt Smith’s Dr time stream? And all 3 didn’t know
the Dr at first. She didn’t know the war doctor either. Did she forget who the
doctor was when she got split into multiple Clara’s? The dalek clara didn’t know.
The Victorian Clara didn’t know, The modern Clara didn’t know….or is she just
acting as if she doesn’t know? And was Matt Smith saving “the Clara” at the
war doctor an act of saving Clara or saving the War Doctor FROM Clara?
So, who is, or where is, the Clara in Calpadi’s time stream? From what I
have seen, we haven’t seen her yet. Capaldi’s Clara, if the trend holds true,
shouldn’t know he is the doctor at first either. The Clara with Capaldi is from
Matt Smith’s doctor time stream…….or various other Doctor time streams…hmmm…
As I stated in my previous post, it appears Clara’s are changing and not Clara herself.
So, who is or where is Capaldi’s Clara?

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Ok, I said I wouldn’t watch DW as long as the Clara/Danny soap opera went on, but I’m just
too addicted to DW. I want to deal with two issues, 1. Missy 2. Clara

1. Missy – Do you guys REALLY want her to be the Master?? Really??? The Master has been
run into the ground. Any Dr Who with the Master is a “re-run” with cosmetic changes.
You would be watching a 40 year old episode. You could say the same thing about cybermen and daleks
but those are large populations and not just a single villain. But still, you see the same show, that
is, they show up, and get defeated. It is time for something NEW. A NEW threat. A NEW villain.
Could the Boneless be that NEW threat and villain. Could Missy be a Boneless?

2. Clara – She was diehard honest and now lies when she opens her mouth. She was diehard concerned for
life and now not too concerned if people die. She freaked out on “Kill the moon” and now she has no
problem being the Dr. REALLY????? Character development?? I don’t think so!! Is “the Clara” we saw
in “Kill the moon” the SAME Clara we saw in “Flatline”?????? She did split into multiple Clara’s.
How many? One for each Doctor? And why the reference of the leaf? Is Clara like leaves on a tree?
Then who is the tree? Of my knowledge, I’ve only seen two other Clara’s: 1. the dalek,
2. the Victorian Clara. (I’m not including the clips of the Clara’s helping the various
doctors, when she jumped into his time stream.) Point is, Clara has changed WAY TOO FAST.
Or is it that “the Clara” has changed?

The Matt Smith doctor set out, to find out, who or what Clara is. It hasn’t been discovered yet.
We know there are multiple Clara’s but how many, we don’t know. We know of Missy, but has it been
established she is a villain? The Boneless, you have a name now, which means we will see you again,
but in what way? Courtney Woods, IMO, the bright spot of this season. This is due to everything up
to this point being so bad. Courtney Woods – Mels = River Song. There is an obvious gap between the
little girl who escaped from the space suit and Mels. The little girl “escaped” but Mels is fulfilling
her duty to kill the doctor? Something had to have happen between those two points.

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@phaseshift Long time whovians know companions don’t last forever.
And what I am seeing, my opinion of Clara and Danny isn’t in the
minority. It is just a matter of time. But while Clara and Danny
are in the show, I wont waste my time watching it. The science tech
has become less than B-grade, and the plot line is a day time soap opera,
and the Dr acts like a neutered house cat. This is NOT Dr Who acceptable.
Dr. Who has provided higher standards in the past. If the people behind the
scenes have lost the ability to produce at least B-grade or better shows, then they
need to go, and that includes actors, writers, producers, etc… For me, I have come
to accept higher, much higher standards, than what is being produced this season
of Dr. Who. The moon as a giant egg? Come on now, it is more than just one issue.
Its the whole season. This season has not been Dr. Who. People have given it a chance
to take off, but it hasn’t and not showing any promise of ever doing it. I haven’t resigned
anything. I’m standing up for the high standards of Dr. Who. I’ve been a fan since the
Tom Baker days. A new doctor isn’t my first rodeo. But this season is just bad and shouldn’t
be acceptable. Companions don’t last forever. From the opinions of Dr. Who fans, around the net,
Clara and Danny’s plot line my get shortened up to keep from losing viewers, or dropped altogether.

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I like watching Dr Who because it is a good Sci-Fi show.
This season, it has been a day time soap opera, which I detest.
Half-way through this episode, I was rooting for the mummy to get Clara.
Moffat isn’t drawing me into the long story, he is making me not care
to watch it. After this Episode, I really don’t care what Danny Pink
story is, neither do I want to hear it. Same goes with Clara. It wouldn’t
disappoint me if Danny Pink and Clara were dropped from the show and never
mentioned again. I have been a Dr. Who fan since the days of Tom Baker.
I have really loved watching it since it came back on the air in 2005.
But this season is just getting nauseating. After the Kill the Moon episode,
I thought Clara would be out of the picture for a while. To say I was
disappointed when I saw Clara in this episode is an understatement. Well,
I stomach through this one, on the assumption she wont be back in the show
for awhile. I sure got a rude surprise at the end of this one. I already know
I wont watch next week’s show, Clara will be on it. For me, Clara has become the
most disliked of ALL Dr. Who companions. If Danny and Clara are in future
episodes, I’m not going to watch them.

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I really liked the movie The 13th Warrior. Came out in 1999, I think.
It stars Antonio Banderas. I don’t watch a lot of movies, but I really
like that one.

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I realize there are holes in my theory about Courtney being River.  I want people to search and see if there

was established story of the little girl in the space suit, regen’ing into Mels.  That would end my theory.

I can see the little girl regen’ing into Mels.  I don’t have a problem with that.  I can also see Courtney

regen’ing into Mels, if Courtney gets Vortex manipulators and going back into time and growing up with

Amy.  Mels did seem overly confident the Dr was real.  Was she waiting for the Dr. to show up?  Courtney can

easily learn about Amy.  And if later Courtney/Mels/River wants to kill the doctor, then all she has to do is

find Amy Pond, be her friend, the Doctor will show up.  The one hole here was best stated by Tom Baker,

“How can you kill me in the past if I have lived in the future.”  Well, she didn’t kill the doctor.  IMO, River changed her

mind WAY too fast and saved the Dr’s life.  Is the doctor going to attempt to counteract River’s programming while

she is Courtney.

 

Courtney hit a couple keys in the Tardis.  Did any of you see her sending the Tardis off into space, trapping Clara and the Doctor

on the moon?  That went through my mind.  I consider her tapping a few keys very significant.  Of what, I don’t know

other than she may want to learn to fly the Tardis later on.

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Hi all, new here……

 

After this episode, the thought occurred to me, “could Courtney Woods be River Song?”

One thing I could be missing, and you all could help me out, was it established, in the show,

that  the little girl, who escaped from the space suit, regened into Melody (Amy Pond’s childhood friend)?

Or was that just an assumption on our part?  Until it is shown to me, this is what I base my thoughts around.

 

1. River Song stated she has seen all the doctors. I think it was the episode when Tennant first met River in the

library that had the shadows.  When did she see the current Dr?

2. Courtney was described as a “disruptive influence”, something Melody was clearly shown to be.

3.  Capaldi has made several references back to previous doctors, and one was being forced to go back

in time to “kill Hitler”, which was stated in front of Courtney AND was done by Melody.

4. Vortex Manipulators, that were used by River was worn by Courtney.

5. River would whip out a gun at the drop of a hat.  Melody whipped out a gun.  Courtney used a spray

gun, but the idea is the same.  You grip, point, pull trigger and shoot.

 

So, until I’m educated about who the little girl regen’ed into, I’m leaning toward the idea that Courtney

may be River Song.  If Courtney is River, the reason the Dr left, leaving the decision of the moon up the

the three women, may not have been for Clara or the astronaut, but for Courtney to get used to being

in a life and death situations, and making a quick decision, much like River did in many times.

 

As far as the moon being a giant egg and the scientific accuracy surrounding the story, well, that may have

been the plan, to get people discussing that, and miss the small important info, that is building the

large series plot.  Moffat has been VERY GOOD at presenting things, that allow the viewers own imagination

to send them down a dead end street.  Melody Pond, aka River Song, I think we all missed that one.

 

Anyway,  what do you think?

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