• IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni

    Ah, right. Gotcha. I suspect that even the uncrossed i’s and t’s are carefully considered….

    That a few don’t get picked up on (most notable, I guess, Jenny-Wife-of-Tennant) is I think just a function of how TV gets made. Sometimes you just never get around to it.

    (At the end to West Wing season 1 the character Mandy left the…[Read more]

  • IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni

    .It seems to me that in BG Who, there was a strong emphasis on tight stories. In AG Who, there is far less concern for tight stories and much more emphasis on the dramatic flourish or the `thing’ (I wish I’d come up with this independently, but it’s from a commentary discussion by Barry Letts and Terrance Dicks on a BG story,  but…

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  • ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni  . . . in BG Who, there was a strong emphasis on tight stories. In AG Who, there is far less concern for tight stories and much more emphasis on the dramatic flourish or the thing’  . . . I’ve come to think this is particularly true for SM and that he just does not sweat what seem to him to be relatively minor plot points or even s…[Read more]

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  • lisa replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @Morpho

    The fact that the Dial was to me basically a software program  I’m therefore looking

    at ‘home’ as meaning homepage just like on your computer.  It helps me to

    think of it this way.     BTW,  I’ve spoken English all my life but still cant write

    properly in it so I wouldn’t get very upset over a single (or more) typos          😉

     

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  • Mark of the Rani replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    <div class=”bbp-reply-author”><span class=”useratname”>@countscarlioni    Agree that</span> The Girl Who Died is clearly significant in an number of ways as you say. But in reference to the Hybrid: what about that episode’s emphasis on the power of stories. The Doctor says the Hybrid is a “myth” — so presumably a story?</div>
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  • ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni  on the hybrid: It appears the Doctor truly believes he is the hybrid, but that does not necessarily mean that he’s right. Or perhaps there can be more than one hybrid. It might not be either/or.

    Excellent point — he’s been wrong before, after all.

    @jphamlore  Not only that but for just this one episode, that the Doctor’s pocke…[Read more]

  • bendubz11 replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni At this stage it probably pays to keep an open mind on what, exactly, the hybrid is.

    I’m just waiting for somebody to turn up in a Prius tbh.

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @CountScarlioni

    What if Ashildr/Me had contacted the Time Lords (via Missy?) and is the one driving all of this

    Oh yes! I can see how that would work very well, though I suspect that it would be Missy’s idea, with her as the driving force and Ashildr/Me acting at her instigation.

    The anachronisms in The Woman Who Lived suggested that by the…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @ichabod    I agree absolutely about the Doctor’s motivations. I was thinking here of what the Time Lords were trying to achieve. But I have come round from thinking that they were trying to help him through, somehow, or there was some motive other than the obvious, and have now reverted back to the obvious– that they were trying to get info…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @nerys @puroandson   I also thought it was the same coat. How it got there the first time, however, is a bit puzzling. Maybe a second viewing will help me there.

    @Miapatrick  A lot of people in t’other place claim an inconsistency that he took the long way and then confessed. I think in fact that is very doctor- assuming what he said when he got…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    Well, that reading took awhile!  🙂  So much to comment on and think about. First of all, some wonderfully eloquent writing about the heights and depths to which we were taken with this episode. Succinctly summed up by @PhaseShift:   I wish more TV could dare to be this different.   Yes, indeed. And yes, not only arc-heavy but mytho…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @CountScarlioni                 @Whisht               @Mersey

     

    Thanks for all the prints and images!   It occurred to me that last week we had Diagon Alley

    and this week we saw Hogwarts when the stair cases move around.   I’m sure the Potter fans

    loved that!

    I’ve been also thinking about Clara being always in his head.   She is his conscie…[Read more]

  • ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    I’ve been thinking of “Heaven Sent” as a classic bull-fight, in which matador and bull are one and the bull is so brave and splendid that in the end, the crowd demands that the he be not just spared but honored.

    And I’m no fan of bull fighting, believe me.  Not in this life, anyway.

    @countscarlioni  the upward journey of a soul through pu…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    So can we agree that the Doctor would never create this confession dial for himself.

    So how did he come into possession of it?   The first time I can recall seeing it is when

    he handed it over in the prologue to the sister.   I’m curious about all of that part of the story.

    @CountScarlioni

    Thanks for the Bird explanation     🙂

  • Charlie Cook replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @countscarlioni funnily enough I was thinking of the Avengers episode The House That Jack Built during this as well. Happens to be my favourite Avengers episode.

  • ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @lisa   I did like how he fell back into his comfort zone which was having Clara and the Tardis aka his mind when he needed his ‘deliberations’ . That’s how he managed his sanity.

    Yes — that gave him someone to talk to besides the Veil.  About his sanity, I dunno . . . he could yet do something terrible, and need to restore himself from that.

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  • nerys replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    Wow. Just wow. Husband and I were blown away by this episode. Amazing writing on the part of Moffat, and getting his head around the big picture. We viewers have taken the long way around, too … and I like that. Not billions of years, of course. But I thought the story arc would return to Gallifrey long before it did.

    So, my poor little…[Read more]

  • bendubz11 replied to the topic Face The Raven

    @CountScarlioni I think you’re on to something, after all what’s the name of the last episode?

    Something I’ve just realised is that there were no snakes in this episode, or at least not that I saw.

  • Kharis replied to the topic Face The Raven

    A little love for Puro everyone, she is back in the hospital and needs our warm thoughts.  Remember, she was in pain when she wrote that post.  Puro loves the show and this Forum and I’m sure it’s eating at her to be part of any disruption or hurt here.  I think she is just taking a break here because of her illness and stress.  I’m sure she wil…[Read more]

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