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@scaryb — you’ve just made a point that I forgot to. With Clara, Moffatt has actually created the ultimate DeM. And I’m sure meant to be a riposte to all the ‘fans’ who scream DeM at the most incorrect points.
Kind of funny, no?
Oh, most definitely
And we have a literal Ghost in the Machine as well 😈
Ha! No wonder they’ve given us 6 months to think about it – we’ll need it! Every scene you look at unpacks to being MUCH bigger on the inside
I don’t want to be…well…a pedant…but I think you mean Chekhov’s gun.
Not all information passes through the portals of the Quantum Club lounge I see. Ref an extremely long tussle, sorry – discussion on the G-blog a couple of weeks ago (JttCotT I think) which involved many definitions and disagreements about the uses of DEM and Chekhov’s Gun tropes in the episode (you can check it out, or if you’re wise, leave it your imagination – many good posts were lost that day!!). Chekhov’s duck was born from the wreckage
Incidentally – any takers for my suggestion of Webley for NiS’s Chekov’s gun…?!
<got coat, going! >
@timeloop – Re the Silence – see my earlier post #10046 (squeals! we’re 10k+ ) re the timey wimey nature of Trenzalore and why the question Simeon asks may not be the question in Dorium’s prediction…
But my ‘Daddy’s Girl’ reference was to the fact that Rory waited for someone who he knew didn’t love him the way he loved her; and in another mirroring bit, River loved the Doctor in much more a way than he could ever love her.
Ah, but Amy also waited, in similar circumstances, thinking she’d been abandoned. And remember the (slightly awkward) conversation in AotD when they clearly demonstrated that their love for each other was pretty much equal. I think the depth of the Dr’s feelings for River is very clear in this episode. He can touch her virtual self physically. She’s the one who “always knows”, he didn’t want to revisit her in the Library because it would hurt too much but that “you’re always here to me”. She says it’s hard to leave when they haven’t said goodbye, and the only way she’d accept (a goodbye from him) is “if you ever loved me then say it like you’re going to come back”. And he does. She gives him the get-out so he can keep up the facade and not break down. You want more evidence? When have you ever seen Eleven instigate a kiss before? (and in front of other people – even tho they could only see half of what was going on!) The Dr’s at least 300 years older than he was when he left her in the Library, but he’s clearly still carrying a very big torch for her (and not the one he dropped in the underbelly of the Tardis!). <sniff> That’s about as honest and raw as you ever see the Dr get re personal feelings.
@satsumajoe technically it’s not River’s first meeting with him (in SitL), it’s her last (physically anyway), his first!
But yes, 10 in the Library (we think!) is a poignant ref to it<dammit, there’s a lot grit flying about today!
>Just saw an interesting post on the G blog – someone remembered that Clara was plugged into the Tardis. I got excited, then remembered it was early on, so the Tardis could get the co-ordinates that Clarence (the convict) had given them. But even so… she’s been directly connected up once.
I’ve watched a few times and there is definitely a mismatch between the Dr & Clara exploring deep in the Tardis, where we are told the dimensionality(?) is unstable (and OK, and am now convinced Clara saying “we’ve done this before” is a ref to JttCotT (wonder if she remembers being incinerated…? And was that epsidode GI influenced?) and the Dr appearing in front of Dr Simeon. Outside.
Agree with the poster above, there is also a mismatch with the Pater Gang when the first “land”. It looks like outside, but the Tardis Police Box sign is definitely the wrong way round, suggesting inside. or a reflection. And why would the GI need the Dr to open the doors if they were already inside?
And yes, it is intriguing that the Tardis is in the new console room configuration, complete with the cracked window that it’s just acquired. Maybe the final battle IS sooner than we think.
Talking of which – this arrival at Trenzalore is not necessarily the one predicted (although I do like the catch on “Fall” being te tardis crash landing). Since the Dr’s grave – ie the decaying, dying Tardis, complete with “scar tissue” timestream – is definitely here, he has already “fallen”.
BUT if the Trenzalore defeat was down to the GI, how is that affected now that Clara has gone on her rescue mission? We’ve not stepped out of the Dr’s timestream yet, we don’t know what outside looks like yet.
Mad random thought – what if Trenzalore used to be Gallifrey??
@bluesqueakpip Re the Dr’s childminding skills – take them on an adventure? He can’t even play blind man’s buff in their own house without losing them! How does this man ever manage to defeat daleks, cybermen and whathaveyou?! (The scariest monsers in the universe aren’t half as devious as 2 human kids!):-)
Yup, think there’s lots of mysteries to be solved yet
The psychology of blog-boards is fascinating – but long exposure is probably not healthy 😉
@jimthefish I look forward to reading your thoughts on this and the internet in general.
When’s it November?
<aagh! I shouldn’t be wishing my life away at my time of life, LOL>
@whohar Completely agree, with the additional reminder that we are an open forum. In our defence it was a particularly bruising weekend. Many of the comments have disappeared (the replies linked to the ones that get modded) – so it’s ultimately a waste of time. DON’T FEED THE TROLLS (inc on here) – it’s hard, but it only encourages them. <pins big post-it note to computer>
@janetteb That’s a great idea for the anniversary. You can add red wine and champagne too
And big luminous blue fruit (you may have to go to Akhaten market for those)he obviously doesn’t get to see really high quality theatre.
I suspect he doesn’t get out much at all!
OK it’s a low shot at stereotypes (aren’t they all hehe) – But he has found paragraphs this week 🙂
<waves @blenkinsopthebrave> Wild night in the old Club Lounge then? Ah, you just can’t get the staff these days!
Interestingly I haven’t noticed Omega’s name come up (or the Other) – could’ve missed it tho ; Valeyard’s been mentioned as you’d imagine. Concensus seems to be that it’s most likely “the incarnation we don’t talk about” between 8 and 9. But could be before Hartnell, or a future Dr.
Hope you enjoyed it as much as most people in here seem to have done. I loved the rewriting the Dr’s timeline gamechanger was brilliant – and how much does that open things up?!!, squeeing at John Hurt and sniffled an ambarrassing amount over River.
We don’t have a blog-roll on here at present.
You’ve been offline for a while, haven’t you???!
@rema <cheerfully chucks ganger doc theory out the window>
Who needs ganger Dr when we’ve got John Hurt!! (not to mention Smith and Tennant ALL in the same episode!!)
@juniperfish Dark Dr theory vindicated 🙂 Jury out on interconnectng timelines till November. Keeping both my bow ties in place meanwhile
@jimthefish Thanks for your support. Not a prob – I was having fun
I stick to my point about Shakespeare tho
And yes… <jumps up and down in excitement> Hi to @danmartinuk You finally made it – it’s harder to get in here than to get thro a watery portal guarded by Ming the Merciless… oh, wait a minute…! I trust you have been thoroughly frisked for spoilers?!
