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@scaryb I just rewatched that part (“so thats who”; “you were mentioned in a book” “you call yourself doctor, why do you do that? you have a name- I’ve seen in in a corner of that tiny…”) and “so thats who” could really refer to somebody else. the second part would make no sense if there was something else meant than the book. I could see nothing on Amys TARDIS, even when she picks up the magnifying glass she does not squint or anything-no pause- and moves right on to the umbrella she used herself. That seems a bit far-fetched to me. Maybe she has seen the name “John Smith” in the book and just though that this would be his regular name or his name is nothing special to her (she has not been around as long as most of you have)…. Nevertheless I like the idea that she saw the person who might have given her that service number.

In “the rebel flesh” and “the almost people” there were actual flesh-versions. that is what i am refering to. there would be no body on ice IF that would be possible for river song. The doctor seems to approve because he sends one of the doppelganger back to the “real” family and liked his other self as well. But it is a kids show, so maybe not..

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@htpbdet Really? I’m sorry to hear that. I love her regeneration there and the moments right after that (Everybody realising who she is [BBC America – depends if you can see it. funny comments on that one as well]).

Yes. She used all her future regenerations to bring the doctor back from her kiss of the judas tree. So early in her life and no regeneration left.

the doctor could get her out of that computer core, giving her a new body (flesh). still she would not be able to regenerate.

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@htpbdet What dont you like about it?

His first meeting with her in that form is in the Liberary, her first is LKH.

I actually hope that River somehow regains the ability to regenerate. I like to think that the Doctor came as an older version back on that day in the liberary – as long as the truce still exists and gives her some sort of flesh form (which we know he could). Knowing his name remains something very special and that way he wont have to loose her at all and actually rescues her completely. She does not need to keep her appearence so Alex COULD be replaced while the character River Song (<3) survives… If she keeps traveling in the opposite direction most of the time she would end up with another appearence in Galifrey ( and stalking younger versions of the doctor)

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@Juniperfish Dont they refer to a pocket universe in Hide?

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@htpbdet (what a name- what does it stand for?) Yes, but the woman in the shop could have been genuine. A number that really helps you could refer to a good callcenter? And the TARDIS could intercept it because you know that you will need time, when you call a callcenter…. enough time for the doctor to get there. If the TARDIS would have intercepted a normal call Clara would have just hung up… And maybe Clara wasnt in the “right place”(mind) to travel with the doctor before that.

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I know most of the quotes you refered to – leaves a lot open. I just always assumed that the past of the timelord would be open, but that they never get new information … in that way a bit locked. that could be what @bluesqueakpip Bluesqueakpip ” that the only people who can enter or leave from its past are the people who already did” ment in the end…. in a way. @htpbdet “But I don’t see that prior to the Time War anything was affected – in the sense that River could have gone to Gallifrey before the Time lock was created.” Yeah, that was my idea …. would be good to get to know more of the timelock and its limits.

Didnt River already have her first encounter with the Doctor??? in LKH?! He knew everything about her….. Just as she said. And she was impressionable (?), young and all the rest of it. This was her first meeting, wasnt it?

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@bluesqueakpip ” that the only people who can enter or leave from its past are the people who already did” the Doctor did – could he go back if he really wanted(and just does not because he fears that his interaction there ight change the future, which cant because it is fixed time)? What if River did already enter … it’s a bit timey-wimey, i give you that. That one dalek did it (he paid with his mental health, but he brought someone with him…?). If “it’s generally presumed that the timelock has frozen all access to Gallifrey at any point in its present or past” how come some know that timelords existed? Or at any time – so the ones that helped the doctor in the old WHO (he send a distress call(white little box) to timelords to sort something through and to send everybody home while he moved on) They were outside. Would they not be outside the timelock? Because they already did leave and it is in past present and future?

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@ardaraith how exactly does the timelock interfere with River going there? The war still happened, am I right(it is not a no longer needed timeline)? so everything before the war happened…. Just at that certain point they are stuck. I always thought it to be a lock because they dont know what is comming and they cant inform themselves because it has not happened yet….. in my imagination they are locked in their timestream ( all their jumping in time happens in their timestream where the doctor has not yet done what he did (does that make sense to anyone? ^^”)). that would prevent no one with the needed information to go back ….. Does that make sense? In which episode do they talk about the timelock?

I am sorry if that cant be discussed in here – just came to my mind

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@htpbdet (what a name- what does it stand for?) Yes, but the woman in the shop could have been genuie. A number that really helps you could refer to a good callcenter? And the TARDIS could intercept it because you know that you will need time, when you call a callcenter…. enough time for the doctor to get there. If the TARDIS would have intercepted a normal call Clara would have just hung up… And maybe Clara wasnt in the “right place”(mind) to travel with the doctor before that.

@ardaraith yep, that is my idea. Didnt SM say, River was a very,very,very (without being as repetitive as I am) important character to the doctor? – Would that be possible?

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But I still dont get how Clara was able to read the book in the first place. Who wrote it???? Galifreyan is not translated by the TARDIS – Timelords can read it. And just recognising the writing (which would be circles as on the cot, right?) and matching them wont tell her anything in particular about the Doctor, would it?

How did she read it? Who wrote the book?

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@fivefaces I really like the idea of River being resposible for that number Clara got from the shop…. but I cant quite believe it. There is one scene in particular (cant remember the episode – Big Bang maybe) where river gets a call in stormcage from Churchill, because “the TARDIS is clever and redirects the call”, but there was less then a minute left(Van Gogh painted the exploding TARDIS and River grafities the first words in recorded History so she could deliver that to the Doctor). My point is: the TARDIS can redirect calls and I just assumed that she did it again because she knew he wanted Clara so badly. Maybe she got bored (remember her saying “I borrowed you and you flew away with me”)…. maybe it is that simple.

I am pretty sure (I have a feeling – can be completely wrong of course) that River was (already) in the past of the Doctor. When she pointed out the  cot the children (she((Alex)) mentiones in confidential) might be already born.  That could mean he just realises that (“how do I look” “amazing” “I’d better be”). I have never watched old episodes is that possible?

… and thanks for the warm welcome from everyone – I enjoy to puzzle over the possibilities with all of you =)

 

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@thommck Yeah, I wondered why Clara could read the book as well. most definetly in galifreyan, isnt it? who else would know about it (beside the daleks?)?

 

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Hi there!

Did anybody else catch the Doctor saying he has flown the TARDIS over 900 years(near the end)? So not a thousand so maybe even before his “death” at lake silencio. I just rewatched it … but  I am not sure how long he has lived before he borrowed the TARDIS.  Did he lose Amy and Rory then found Clara and then” died” with the other two and River? Because time is not the boss of him…? I just found that an interesting piece of information. It all depends on how old he was when he required the TARDIS

I loved the libary and the swimmingpool and the rest of it- no clue why it got bad and average reviews.

Curious what you think about that!

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