BBC approved Doctor Who series 9 spoilers and trailers
by Craig
This is a blog where we can discuss official BBC production-team approved spoilers. It exists so that those who wish to be utterly unspoilered can avoid them.
Just to be clear, this is only for official info leaked by the BBC that will have been approved by Steven Moffat. Any other spoilers from any other source should be posted in the Spoilers thread found here: http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers-2/
As @Lisa and @fatmaninabox posted yesterday, the BBC has announced that Missy will be back!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/6a78885d-e0b1-49a0-b7e8-cecba867a99f
@Lisa wondered if that is a vortex manipulator that Missy has on her wrist in the video.
NEW TRAILER PUBLISHED 9 JULY 2015
NEW TRAILER PUBLISHED 12 AUGUST 2015
AND A BRIEF TRAILER FOR EPISODE 1. ADDED 5 SEPTEMBER 2015
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@Bluesqueakpip The toclafane of course making the nethersphere very roughly speaking a bit of
a been there and done that and doing some more of it the next generation ? This is so true
Still also thinking about the return of the sister of Karn and the Shadow Architect
The fundamental interconnectedness of all of these things.
@Bluesqueakpip @Lisa
“So the Matrix downloaded virtual personalities to control the shells. However, in the Whoniverse as imagined by Moffat, virtual personalities are tricky things. Their ‘soul’ might decide to fight their ‘programming’.”
I actually thought that the Matrix, if still active, could keep downloading the essence of the ‘soul’ or the dead person as nano rain into more dead bodies. So each soul (as it were) could be used countless times, as only a fragment of that soul would be needed to make the ‘shell’ active?
I toyed with that idea as a kind of back-up plan for Missy, until she destroyed it and the script said “the matrix is dying.” So its shelf life was considerably shorter!
If it hadn’t been destroyed by Missy, then no reason why the ‘partial soul’ of Danny Pink couldn’t have returned to earth. New plot turn -coping with an incomplete Pink. A ‘lost’ soul.
Regards, puro
@purofilion
Well, Danny’s ‘soul’ did return – in Clara’s dream world in Last Christmas.
As in The Pandorica Opens, Clara remembered Danny so perfectly that she also remembered his soul. Or to put it another way (though Moffat’s used ‘soul’ quite a few times) – Clara remembered the real Danny.
Time travel, as we are reminded in that story, is possible in dreams. Whether she ‘called’ the real Danny to her across time, or whether she remembered him into being isn’t really that important. What I’m trying to say is that I don’t think you have ‘partial souls’ in the Whoniverse. You can have a copy of a person – but if that copy starts to break their programming in the way that the real person would, then that copy isn’t a ‘copy’. They are the real person.
[Notice how the Doctor starts talking to Danny as Danny when he breaks the ‘programming’ of Clara’s wish-fulfilment and shows that he’s aware that he’s dead.]
@purofilian Reminds me a bit like in Philip K Dick where the androids or ‘pseudo humans’
have memories as humans do and fight to hold on to them. But I wonder how many times
can you down load yourself before you just become an echo? Like the strips on
the suits in Silence in the Library that kept an echo of you for a while after death.
I keep noticing all these reoccuring themes all the time. I’m still wondering about
the point of the nethersphere because I think the earth invasion may not have been
the complete purpose. For whatever reason Missy wants and insurgent army
@bluesqueakpip I never doubted that the Danny in Clara’s dream was more the “real” Danny than merely Clara’s memory of him — which sorta makes no plot sense, but works wonderfully in the dream story — and, yes, that there was some real interplay between him and the Doctor, so Danny must have also been “real” in the Doctor’s view of that dream (capable of surprising us, and in character as noted). But I don’t know how to think about this further, because I still don’t know with confidence where the blasted shared dream (Clara + Doctor) ends and reality begins again. Moffat said “only the very last scene is real”, but — all of “Old Clara”, or just the latter part after the Doctor wakes for the second time on red dirt and rushes back to get the dream crab off her face? If the crab is still on Clara’s face at that point, though — is the Doctor’s rescue-return still part of her dream, even him getting the thing off her?
Aarggh. I can’t do it. I’ll go have dinner. Maybe that will help.
@Ichabod
If the characters can see Santa Claus, it’s a dream. Old Clara and the Doctor both see Santa – so it’s a dream.
But when the Doctor gets the crab off the second time, we don’t see Santa. We only see the tangerine. Therefore they’re awake.
Because, that’s entirely in keeping with the real world rules for Santa – you never see him, only the presents he leaves you.
@bluesqueakpip Phew — okay, that seems to make sense, so thank you!
Official photos of a new monster: presumably released because they knew the location shoot meant it was going to be all round the Internet. 😉
@bluesqueakpip — yeah, I saw that on Faceache the other day. All I can say is someone has clearly been playing Bioshock…
If it has a creepy little girl in tow then we’ll know for sure….
@Bluesqueakpip @JimTheFish
Ah yes, the new ‘monster’. Recently described on Twitter as looking like a steam-punk Cylon designed for a Soviet Union version of Battlestar Galactica !
@fatmaninabox — it’s not a bad analogy.
and it gives me the perfect reason to post this by way of illustration:
The new Monster reminds me of the aliens from the film ‘The Fifth Element”. In the beginning
on that film it would be that alien that hands the key over to the priest in the pyramid.
Not to sure about news printed in the Mirror but my niece showed me this
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-doctor-evil-time-5521289
So if this is true than it fits in with that enticing cyberman Dr. Skarosa possible
hint. I need to catch up on my Davos which means re-watching ‘Genesis of the
Daleks’ since its mentioned in the Mirror piece.
Btw- @Craig I saw that you mentioned watching Genesis of the Daleks on your list
and that particular episode has a vote from me in lieu of the possibility of the
‘resurrection’ of Davros in season 9.
If the rumor is true I wonder where SM wants to go with that?
There’s been a new trailer, a proper trailer published today:
Initial reaction to the new trailer — Capaldi is looking a lot more Tom Baker-esque and less severe. Could be interesting.
Overall, it looks like it could well be bloody excellent.
@Craig and everyone — SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE ! the new trailer is a whopper!
First thoughts — that is Davros ! The old man wearing the helmet-y hat, white beard
and big black eye sockets is Davros and the planet with the spires might be Skaro?
Davros became blinded early on in his life. Maisie Williams maybe Jenny or Susan?
Must watch 1000 times!
@Lisa @JimTheFish There is, surprisingly, a hell of a lot of BBC approved info in this article as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/fd3d5d2b-bb11-4e24-862e-7ce282413e1c
Is Moffat mellowing with age?
Oooohh…new trailer!
So the obvious question is…who is Maisie Williams playing? Someone from the Doctor’s past?…(you are sort of given that hint)…that we would be aware of?
It may be nothing, but there seems to be a lot of emphasis on eyes in this trailer. Close ups, a reflection, wearing shades (twice), slits in armour, slits in shades, lacking eyes completely. Even the guest star at the end is/was wearing an eye mask.
Don’t know what it means but one thing I’m calling now: The Doctor’s shades allowed him to see who is really a Zygon, just like in “They Live”. That would be a beautiful reference/steal. 🙂
@Craig. Oh man!…”They Live”…that is one of my all time favourite movies!
The sunglasses..Yes! that would indeed be a brilliant allusion/homage.
That is a ( as number nine would say ) fantastic trailer . I see in the seen where Missy looking into that little mirror that there is a little red light . Could that be a light from a robot like the ones we saw in the trailer . Also those creatures with huge black holes where their eyes should be seem to be creatures that are not real , like they are living creatures that live but might not be alive . They could have been form by non-living matter . It’s so funny to see the 12th Doctor wear shades , I’m still laughing , but the shades might be important and the same goes for the guitar . He might be playing the guitar to produce sound waves that could defeat a creature and he could be wearing the shades for a reason or he’s just showing off ( again ) . He could also be playing a guitar because Clara is not with him at the moment so he’s bored .
@blenkinsopthebrave Wouldn’t it just? Would leave future Zygon stories a bit problematic though!
The internet is buzzing that Maisie Williams is playing a (regenerated younger) Susan, given the “What took you so long, old man.” line. Is probably too obvious though.
@craig, @blenkinsopthebrave & @lisa et al…
I think the ‘took your time, old man’ thing is a massive Moffat-ey misdirect. It’s the sort of line that comes right at the end of an episode as a little sting after the climax. I’m willing to bet that she’s probably not a previously established character. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong though.
And I do like the idea of a They Live riff. Especially if they somehow incorporate the ‘and I’m all out of bubblegum’ line….
@JimTheFish – I know the Doctor told Susan that someday he would return so maybe
that’s why she asks ‘what took you so long’? That would be an interesting dynamic
This looks wonderful — especially frame by frame and x 12, so far . . . How the hell are we gonna wait until almost the END of bloody September??? Cruel and unusual punishment, says I.
Maisie Williams, at the end, pulls of her headgear, but just before you can see that it’s the “highwayman” mask she wore in the shots we saw of filming — her her apparently holding up a coach that the Doctor steps out of. Lacy cuffs confirm: period costume, 1830’s or so England, “Stand and deliver?” style. And him in those plaid trousers.
Oh, this looks as if it’s going to be one hell of a blast!
@Craig. I think I am with @JimtheFish on this one. It’s not just that Susan is too obvious, but would Susan really say “old man” to her grandfather? Moffat has more respect for the spirit of the original for her to say that.
But that doesn’t mean she couldn’t be someone we (and the Doctor) have known in the past. Given that Moffat rarely refers back to the TRD years (aside from the 50th) I would surmise she is from the early years of the show…or…even from the Moffat years??
Whatever, I am keen for September to roll around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dScIw49aM
not too spoilery – sort of – but they do talk about the process of
their characters and there might be a clue here about how the next season
will go
there is a part 2 – they show the trailer and then there are questions
@lisa @ichabod
It seems very dark to me. The slash editing makes my eyes go squirrelly! I must add I don’t like the Doctor’s ‘mad’ hair!
As for Susan, @JimTheFish @Blenkinsopthebrave I agree with you: I would think it’s not her. It seems just too sarcastic a phrase, far too throwaway.
But dark? I suppose I’m getting older if I acknowledge ‘darkness’ in just about everything I watch. Heck, even Farscape has that inescapable funny edge. I wonder if they’re aiming at a particular market with this advertisement: more diverse than before. Though that’s a laugh, considering it appeals to so many groups.
I was hoping that the official BBC photo that was posted a few days ago (with the Doctor outside the Tardis on a planet’s misty surface & to which Craig posted the link yesterday) might be showing us Androzani Minor, as seen with the Fifth Doctor carrying Peri. But with Daleks in the trailer and Peter Capaldi’s comments about visiting a battlefield, do all roads lead to Skaro?
Who is the crouching boy? If we see him in the trailer, he must be significant.
Clara in the orange spacesuit: surely the Doctor must have realised that the old (very old) orange space suits really need to be replaced by now….
@purofilion I found the best way to look at the trailer, for me, is to use the stop button, go-stop-go, in quick succession so you get a chance to really *look* at a frame that seems worth inspecting closely. On my machine this method doesn’t give me frame by frame, but almost, and it slows down the flash-flash-flash-whatthehellwas – flash-flash effect of the quick cut editing. Some of the frames are wonderful — dramatic chiaroscuro, mysterious blurs, suddenly apparent details — it rewards closer looking, so this form of stop-motion suits very well.
@lisa I watched the SDCC panel this evening and found the first half tense and cramped, for the most part, with a sense that the actors all had their set lines to fall back on, and had to figure out how to fit them to the questions as they came. Only Moffat seemed at his ease, cracking jokes and speaking fluidly, so I felt that the actors were tensed up to make sure they wouldn’t let anything slip that would upset their writer — which kind of makes sense. The audience was very quiet, wanting not to miss anything should something surprising slip out, but on the whole the audience didn’t strike me as “warm” at all.
Part 2, after the trailer was shown, had a different temperature, warmer and easier, with more liveliness from the panel, helped by a strong current of interest and energy from the moderator, Chris Hardwick. I think having had the trailer shown helped a lot, because it gave the actors more confidence in speaking about the new season, which of course they’re barely allowed to say anything meaningful about before the actual launch in September to avoid soiling. They’re much better, IMO, talking about the show *after* the season, when there aren’t secrets to keep — compare that lively and funny interview with Jenna from Australia (New Zealand?) last year, when it was just her and an onstage interviewer, and everything went fast and lightly. This SDCC panel struck me as constrained and and a bit awkward (also a function of having to try to give a fair portion of time and attention to each of four panelists, which Hardwick handled well) — clearly a job, not a romp. Glad to see the whole event — but just as happy to not have opted for going to San Diego myself to see it live.
And they go back to work on Monday . . . Jesus. What a business! They did all look rested, though, not raccoon-eyed and exhausted by work and travel, and that was good to see, very good.
@Ichabod -OK, I shall try that later this evening.
So, you don’t think it’s necessarily dark? I feel a tension, a grey quality which isn’t necessarily ‘noir’ or attributed to chiaroscuro. I’m sure there’ll be a lot to see come September….
Kindest, puro.
Ichabod
I’m wondering if it’s a double bluff? Poss it IS Susan? The look on the Dr’s face is ….intrigued, slightly amazed….like seeing that lost relative…..?
I was talking with Boy Ilion & he said “I hope it’s not a really long arc!”
“why?”
“well an arc, OK, but not a 40 year one like in the old days when you don’t even find out the plot before you die!”
Still not sure what to make of it thus far…scary….? Really scary? No play with light and colour as yet.
And is there a rock star with a guitar? d q d q Or did I imagine that
(*\*)
@purofilion
Double bluff? Hmm…still not convinced that Susan would address him thus, or that he wouldn’t simply embrace her. Moffat is hardly likely to denigrate/ignore the famous “one day I shall come back” speech delivered by Hartnell’s Doctor with all its emotion.
If someone from his past, I sensed a slight tension on both their parts. But as for who, well…
Of course, as Missy demonstrates, the person from his past might not necessarily be female–or even human, for that matter.
And I wouldn’t be concerned about the dark or scary tone of the trailer, @purofilion. I think it is more to do with the convention of how they make trailers these days. I am certain there will be laughs and tears aplenty when S9 finally airs.
@Blenkinsopthebrave
I tend to agree. I did just wonder if it could be ‘our Susan’ but yes that lovely speech which I recall being part of the 50th anniversary (it meant so much & was in An Adventure in Space and Time, I believe) and one of those unforgettable onscreen moments that I would expect Moffat to respect: its tone, its timbre but most of all, its meaning.
A theme which encompasses all that Who was and still is….
Others have suggested, too, that there will be colour, strife and wonder a-plenty, so I shall wait: I’m confident with Moffat. Though scanning The Guardian’s posts/posters, I wasn’t so sure they were 🙁
But that’s fine!
@purofilion
Surely, life is too short to incur the irritation of going there! When our wise emperor @Craig set up this haven of civility, I left that cesspool and have never returned. Even the thought of it chills my bones.
Our friend @danmartinuk has posted his thoughts on the trailer in The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2015/jul/10/doctor-who-series-nine-trailer-maisie-williams-missy-and-a-tardis-update
So far only one negative comment about the show, but the night is yet young.
Regarding the Maisie mystery – I saw a post that maybe its Ace? Wasn’t she supposed to
be a Time Lord in training and she did also have a bit of an attitude which might explain
the ‘old man’ comment. Wouldn’t that be very interesting!
So thinking about different aspects of the trailer and the hands coming out of the dirt
remind me of the cybermen coming forth from the cemetery in the last seasons last episode.
Also they put back some of the round things on the Tardis! One of the scenes reminds me of
the sisters of Karn? It was the scene with the red robes and I know they were responsible
for preventing the resurrection of Morbius but I don’t recall that they were part of the
Darvos story although that might be a super interesting place to go.
@Ichabod I agree that Missy and Clara looked tense and kept looking to Moffatt. Seems to me
like they were very wary of their words too. That was interesting wasn’t it!
@purofilion Oh, it’ll be dark, all right, from what I can see; but also fast and funny, probably all round brilliant (apart from all the whining, howling, and snapping of the usual dogs of war calling themselves “fans” (Guardian, reddit, etc.). For instance (of darkness, not wardogs): I hadn’t realized the impact of what Capaldi said on the SDCC panel, probably because this concept is seldom stressed or even alluded to in Who — because if really attended to, it would truly wreck the series with *way* too much complication, IMO. I mean when he says something along the lines of, “The Doctor knows everything, so he knows what will befall her, so he’s staying close to her [implied: while he can?]”
Just thinking about this makes my brains bubble. I mean, if the Doctor really does know, and *remember*, everything that’s going to happen to each companion from the get-go (from having literally visited those people’s futures to find out?), then all of his stories with them roll out against a kind of hidden background of his knowing exactly what they will do and what will become of them from the get-go. Which means that he’s not only aware abstractly that every one of them will leave him or die before he does, but that he knows all the future events (and past ones, if he cared go look without making contact) of their lives. This makes him *much* more a) tragic; b) incredibly deceitful in all he interactions with them, since he must be *pretending* not to know how his life with them will go and how theirs will end; and c) ridiculous, because what’s with the emotional story, and the possibility of ever truly experiencing the element of surprise in relations with them? Not to mention the confusion of being caught up in the pre-destined course of his life while knowing his *own* future(s). Gah.
Ergo, Capaldi is wrong in that (more or less) statement, because the Doctor can *not* have gone and seen everybody’s entire future (including his own futures) without cutting the whole series off at the knees; what purpose could he have in continuing to play it out if he already knows every move everyone makes and can only make moves of his own that are already prescribed? Sounds like pure Hell to me.
Or, the Doctor refrains from traveling into the future to check up on everything that happens to even the people he cares about. In which case, not surprisingly perhaps, he has made an exception, because of the unique nature of his relationship with Clara, and has ventured into her future to see how it goes, so for the purposes of S9, yeah, he has taken pains to find out Clara’s fate if not the exact road she takes to it. But that’s not the same as The Doctor already knows everything (the future, and the past as well; since a time machine makes it possible for him to see all of time without spending any of his own, if you see what I mean, and then make any given moment is “now” as a starting place for a jaunt through a chosen section of time that he already knows all about so why bother?).
And this is why I generally stay the hell away from time travel stories: they are absolute minefields of impossibility in which nothing connected to motivation as we know it seems to makes sense, because why do anything if you already know everything, and it’s all pinned down by “fixed points”?
Well, if I should ever run into Peter Capaldi, I guess I know what I’ll want to ask him.
@purofilion Oops. Actually, I wanted to say that I *love* that comment by Boy lion — gorgeous and funny, though luckily he still has lots of lifetime left to work out those 40 year plot arcs! If Maisie Williams is the Doctor’s daughter or granddaughter, what length of arc would it be from first sight of that character to the appearance of MW in S9?
What strikes me as most interesting in the trailer is the shots of Missy; she seems very different from “bananas” in these pictures — I mean she seems actually engaged in something that she cares about enough to have complex and possibly coherent feelings about, rather than just auto-reacting with the first goofy response that occurs to her. Something going on there; concern? Fear? Dread? Not a garden party, anyway, IMO. So yes, I’m thinking S9 will be very high powered and dramatic. Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the Tardis . . . !
@Craig The Guardian guy seemed mellow to the point of sloppiness (saying that Osgood had been kicked out of the plane by Missy, when it was Kate who went flying, not Osgood). No doubt the usual Guardian shit-storm will start along with S9.
@ichabod Dan is a huge fan and very knowledgeable about Who. And he is a friend of the site and admits in the comments on that post that he got it wrong.
This site actually owes Dan its whole existence. He’s not just The Guardian guy, he’s the guy who convinced The Guardian to do an episode blog on Doctor Who in the first place, which I loved reading, so he has my utmost respect. And many of the contributors in the comments there are now our long-term current contributors here.
The Guardian shut down comments after a week. After The Snowmen Christmas Special a few years ago I, slightly reluctantly, filled a gap because I loved reading the comments by our beautiful contributors. And I don’t regret it now because we have even more amazing contributors who have joined since. But it all started with Dan’s blogs on The Guardian. And he signed up to this site too – cos he’s just cool.
A little bit of forum history – the post on Dan’s blog when I decided to set this all up – I’m WrongBoy on The Guardian (old joke) but you may recognise a few of the other posters names following my post:
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2012/dec/25/doctor-who-snowmen-christmas-special#comment-20296597
And here’s the first ever topic on this site (slightly edited later for future use) immediately following my post on The Guardian:
http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/the-snowmen-christmas-special-2012/
Some members now avoid The Guardian, some still contribute. Me, I will always read Dan’s contributions, then I’ll skim the comments. But for the best commentary I will always come here.
@Craig
Just re-reading the first-ever post you just put up.
Lots of great memories.
Thanks. For everything.
@lisa. Ace–that is a really interesting idea! Yes, it could be her! It would make a lot of sense.
And…assuming Maisie Williams is contracted to GoT and cannot come to Who all that often, it opens up the possibility of an arc involving Fenric. Ooh, yes, I am liking this idea!
@blenkinsopthebrave I believe that the episode that Maisie is in has Vikings in it. Fenric
was a god in the Norse mythology! Ace was one of the wolves of Fenric. I bet you know all of
this story better than I do but I will do some catching up 🙂 Let me know what you 9or anyone
else) think cause I have a hunch as of now that Ace maybe the ‘mystery Maisie’
@Craig I got this last post! I guess its hit and miss? weird huh?
@Craig
I knew the history regarding Dan and have always read: a) his blogs and comments on The Graun and b) his comments when he pops over here. If I say ‘hello’ to him he’s always gracious in responding and I appreciate that.
I hadn’t read that 1st ever post before -thank you for putting up the link.
@Blenkinsopthebrave -I hear ya (as they say in QLD)! And I hadn’t even thought of Ace. So thank you @lisa for that suggestion. I actually had a theory last night. I woke up with it and went “ha brilliant: must write that down come the a.m.” and then promptly forgot. I’m putting it down to the unexpectedly cold weather in Brisbane.
@Ichabod ******* “hang on, help is on it’s way” (great song!)
I’m totally confused re this:
“The Doctor knows everything, so he knows what will befall her, so he’s staying close to her”
Are you saying Capaldi said this and as you explained, it implies that the Doctor knows all that befalls a companion?? Surely not?
I can’t imagine Capaldi meaning it in this way. The mystique and blurry quality of the Doctor is diminished so a confused comment by Capaldi, no?
Could he have simply meant:
“I have travelled with many people, I know how they generally react, I’ve studied the human mind; its complications and sensitivities, I know The Impossible Girl and how she’s responded in every situation, I keep her close to protect her (‘don’t wander off’) so she doesn’t get in a pickle”
???
@Ichabod would that be more correct than assuming he knows “all that happens in her future”?
This renders the show somewhat futile? Dramatic irony from his perspective 😉
@JimTheFish and @Craig and others, do you have an opinion on that statement of Capaldi’s above?
@lisa could you do me a favour and read the comment that Capaldi mentioned (it’s in my post and in the 1st paragraph of @Ichabod‘s above that).
For some reason, it’s ‘doing my head in.’ Would Capaldi’s Doctor mean, “I see it all and therefore know all that happens to these people?” I just don’t buy that!
But if @Ichabod believes this and read it/saw it at a panel, then I can’t ‘unbelieve it’ myself. The trust!
“~<*\*>~“
BTW If mystery Maisie is Ace then does this mean she could have become a Time Lady
in which case she also survived the Time War and all this can get really amazing!
@Craig Thanks for the history and background on Dan at the Guardian — I appreciate knowing more than I did, about him, and about his connection to this forum. I look at other stuff first when I’m after DW comments; and then here, for a calming dose of good sense, mutual good will, and interesting speculation: the best, and thanks for it (and to Dan, for his part in getting it going).
Anybody know which eye Odin is supposed to have given up in exchange for Godly wisdom (I think)? There’s a quick flash in the trailer of something that upon study turns out to be a partial view of an old guy’s face (long gray hair sticking out behind the head) with a big leather patch over what on the screen is the left eye; so I’m thinking that’s Odin (announced earlier to be in the story and played by — not Brian Blessed, but another fella), who would belong in a Viking story (Vikings in a space shoe — er, ship, says Peter C., but what about the filming in the medieval village — weren’t there Viking-type elements in that too — symbols?).
Maisie is, by her outfit, an early 19th c highwayman holding up a coach that CapDoc is traveling in, according to some of the earliest shots from the filming process for S9 that went public (at least, that’s how I read her costume and the coach). Could that connect with a story about Vikings? Well, it’s Doctor Who so of course it could, but . . . not too likely. I’ll put my $ on the Vikings in a space story with “Odin” as central, while Maisie Williams is an a story of travel back in time to English highwaymen days.
@purofilion It was, I think, in the SDCC panel discussion — I will look for the timing, because what I wrote here is what I think such a statement implies — but I can’t believe that Capaldi *meant* it that way — only how *else* could he mean it? That’s why it stuck in my head — I just couldn’t make story-sense of it except story wrecking sense. He said it (if I heard right and he did indeed say it), but the interpretation I gave, above, is all my own — no idea what *he* thought he was saying. If he said it. Bananas! (me, that is)
So, either I misheard or mis-almost-quoted him, or his comment was too brief to be completely understood — or he just miss-spoke somehow? Baffled, me. But I’ll go look, see if I got this all wrong. I think it was in the after panel Q&A, now that I think of it. Will hunt it down, report back.
@gamergirlavatar
I liked your comment a lot and so silly of me, above, to say “is that a rock star?” and imagining people who might have scanned that thinking, “ah, wait for it, Ilion will eventually get it, or not!”
Yes, it’s the Doctor wearing cool shades and playing the gee-tar.
“It’s so funny to see the 12th Doctor wear shades , I’m still laughing , but the shades might be important and the same goes for the guitar . He might be playing the guitar to produce sound waves that could defeat a creature and he could be wearing the shades for a reason”
@lisa your comment at the top of the page was v interesting in light of the latest trailer:
“I’m still wondering about the point of the nethersphere because I think the earth invasion may not have been the complete purpose.”
As you & others say, Missy looks very different: frightened, surprised but containing it??
@Craig as for Dan Martin I think he fits the Rule of Cool perfectly.
Kindest, puro
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@Ichabod
I don’t know which eye was given up by Odin -in various pictures the eye that is lost, is different. We have a Viking expert here but I won’t tag them as this is a spoiler’s nightmare!
But we know Mimir who offered Odin that drink from his well is called the ‘rememberer’ which could well be the Doctor – he remembers ‘all history’ although sometimes claiming that he does not. Earth eventually reaches out and establishes colonies a la Firefly following the announcement of the moon as egg and the dragon ‘flies’ away -who knows, does it eventually mutate and become a sky whale holding the entire planet?