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  • #70517
    Craig @craig
    Emperor

    We’ve never covered this great story by Paul Cornell, based on his book. But there’s a watch along tonight as we’re all in quarantine , so hopefully you will have some comments afterwards about the story of one “John Smith”.

    It’s 1913, A schoolteacher called John Smith dreams of adventures in time and space … and war comes to England early as the terrifying Family hunt for the Doctor.

    #70525
    Craig @craig
    Emperor

    ‘Shadow of a Doubt’ was specially created as a prologue to ‘Human Nature’ and ‘The Family of Blood’, released as part of #DoctorOfMine, the worldwide tweetalong of this two-parter during the quarantine.

    Written by Paul Cornell and starring Lisa Bowerman as Bernice Summerfield, from many Big Finish audios, ‘Shadow of a Doubt’ was home-produced remotely during the ‘lockdown’ period of the COVID-19 outbreak in April 2020.

    #70528
    Craig @craig
    Emperor

    And this is the new epilogue written by Paul Cornell and narrated by Lauren Wilson, who played the scary little girl with the balloon who eventually got trapped in all our mirrors.

    #70529
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @craig

    Thanks for posting those. I am looking forward to re-watching both parts of what I think was one of the best 2-parters in AG Who.

    Having just finished watching Mackenzie Crook’s take on “Worzel Gummidge” my recent TV viewing seems to be strangely full of scarecrows…

    #70531
    janetteB @janetteb

    I did not realise we had not done a forum watch of this two parter which has become one of my favourite of favourites. I have watched it many, many times but am delighted to have an excuse to watch it again. tonight is now sorted.

    Cheers

    Janette

    #70533
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Watched them both last night. I have been trying to isolate what it was about these two episodes that made them so special. I think it was how deeply emotional everything was–John Smith’s torment as he slowly realises he is not who he thinks he is; the relationship between him and the school matron; the relationship between the two boys that shall survive into the war; the scene of the Doctor and Martha at the remembrance service. It was a story that almost completely lacked humour, and yet it worked. In fact, in a way, perhaps it worked precisely because it almost completely lacked humour. It has (for me, anyway) a sort of emotional resonance that lingers long after it is over.

    #70534
    winston @winston

    @blenkinsopthebrave and @janetteb   I watched last night again and they really are very good episodes. Poor John Smith when he realizes he isn’t who he thinks he is and doesn’t want to be anyone else. He wants to be a regular person and stay with the women he loves but she tells him he must do his duty.The war is coming and so many of these boys will die doing their duty.

    There are so many elements to this story , the boys and the bullies, the scary Family, Martha being the Doctors carer,love and loss and duty. The punishments are chilling.I can watch these episodes many times and still see something new.

    #70535
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Have been thinking more about the 2-part story. While I thought it worked really well in all sorts of interesting ways, it was not perfect. For me, there was one thing that did not work: David Tennant. I felt his interpretation of a School master c.1913 just did not ring true. (Whereas Pip Torrens as the headmaster worked really very well, I thought). Also, I felt that when Smith realized he was not Smith and had to give up that life, it was…well, just too whiny–in an over the top way—which was very Tennant.  In fact, to be honest, I felt exactly the same about his interpretation of the Doctor during his whole tenure as the Doctor. Everything was, I felt, always over the top. And, for me, in  a very distracting way.

    And yet, this 2-part story was wonderful.

     

    #70568
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    I think this two-parter would have a much higher reputation if it hadn’t come immediately before Blink. Three really excellent episodes in a row.

    I’d agree that most of the humour in this episode comes from the villains – because this is a classic tragedy for everyone. Latimer (and Hutchinson) at least have their tragedy diverted by Latimer’s foreknowledge, but everyone else (except The Doctor) ends up either dead or emotionally wrecked.

    To be fair to David Tennant: firstly, I don’t think you’d ever really cast him as an ordinary schoolmaster in 1913, secondly ‘John Smith’ is not from 1913. As is made clear from the script, he’s been dumped down with a bunch of facts, not any real emotional memories. Tennant did try to play ‘John Smith’ (apparently he introduced himself in the read-through as playing John Smith), but he was trying to play a character who thought he was real, not a character like Pip Torrens’ Headmaster, who was.

    If you notice, the Headmaster has real, emotional memories to play in that excellent script, whereas John Smith only has a geographical description of where his supposed home was located.

    The Chameleon Arch for the Martin Doctor seemingly works much better – but that might represent a difference between the Tennant Doctor (who seems oblivious to the emotional impact he has on other people) and the Martin Doctor (who seems incredibly tough, but who’s programmed in emotional memories that explain why she doesn’t want to talk about or think about her past).

    The Martin Doctor presumably remembers her real childhood, of course, so we can guess that those feelings of isolation represented by the remote lighthouse could be real childhood feelings.

    Yes, the Tennant Doctor is simultaneously very self-absorbed and very self-pitying. But it might not be Tennant who picked that over-emotional performance. I remember in his final episode he gave the director about five readings of ‘I don’t want to go’, ranging from very muted to completely OTT. The director made the final choice, not the actor and it could easily be the same here.

    #70747
    Ysaig @ysaig

    I love this story.  I just hope they somehow go back like in 1914 or 1915 and find the Son of Mine character and somehow get him out of the time whatever he’s in and bring him back.  Think the Master would be a good cohort in that.  I mean he is just inside a scarecrow and is easy to find.

    #71168
    HEYoli @heyoli

    Love this story and the doctor experienced a different life as a human. Deep in his mind I think he ‘s eager for a life that he can age and have a happy family just like normal people. But in reality he got the resposibity to save the world. And is there anybody can explain where does the family of blood come from? Really curious about their origin lol.

    #71170
    winston @winston

    @heyoli  Hello and welcome to the site. I hope you like it here, there is so much to read and discuss. I love this story too and I feel so bad for him because he wants to be John Smith but he is the Doctor. I don’t remember the back story except that the Family are after him and he must hide. I will have to watch it again.

    The real hero of this story is Martha Jones who not only has to protect the Doctor and keep his secret but also has to put up with the racism, sexism  and class prejudice directed towards her. The fact that she didn’t smack someone is amazing.

    Stay safe.

    #71190
    janetteB @janetteb

    @heyoli Hi Welcome. We watched this story just over a week ago, it being one of my favourites I have watching it many many times. there is no explanation of who the family are or their origins. They are just another of those random Dr Who “monsters”. If  I have one complaint about Dr Who is it the total absence of any attempt at “world building.”

    @winston is right. Martha Jones is the real hero of this story. Having worked in hospitality back in student days I really relate to her. “Private school” boys, (in Aus we refer to them a private schools) are the most offensive. I refused to work on those events after a while. “Public Schools”, (which in Aus’ are no fee, government schools) were never a problem.

    cheers

    Janette

     

    #73493
    Rewvian @rewvian

    These were some really great episodes, and as someone else mentioned it’s followed by the also great Blink.  I am not even sure where to start with discussing this story.

    Well right off the bat the way this story is presented is well-done.  We don’t see the initial meeting between the Family of Blood and the Doctor and Martha, but we know they were shooting at them and get a quick run-down of what is about to happen on the TARDIS.  The whole plot with the fob watch being used to house the Doctor’s consciousness while he uses the headgear to rewrite the cells in his body and become human is something I’m sure fans wouldn’t have thought possible before this episode.

    Martha really is a trooper in this one, as others have pointed out cleaning and dealing with outdated views for several months just to stick to the Doctor’s plan and outlast the Family.  The scene at the dance hall where Martha gets a gun and orders everyone safely out of the room and away from the Family was great.  And on top of everything she does to try to convince John Smith to change back into the Doctor, she still has to watch him fall for another woman.

    The Family was really well-acted and made up of an eclectic group.  The scarecrow soldiers were a great new monster.  Even the Family’s ship felt like its own unique brand of alien.  I think it was fitting that they wanted to consume the Doctor to be granted the immortality of a Time Lord, and the Doctor punished all of them by giving them some cruel immortal fate.  The twist with the story is that the Doctor was trying to spare the Family this cruel fate and let them die peacefully of starvation.

    I see some of you didn’t agree that John Smith made a realistic school teacher for the period.  Maybe not, but I thought it was a job that suited the Doctor if he were actually to live a mortal life, surrounded by books and teaching others.  We get to see essentially what the life of the Doctor would be like if he were an ordinary man.

    I felt like the young boy really screwed everything up, taking the fob watch and opening it up several times.  If he hadn’t found the watch then it’s quite possible the Family of Blood wouldn’t have found the Doctor, and would have just wasted their last month of life.  He has this outburst at one point and says the Doctor is just as bad as the Family, and I wonder if it’s because he saw how he deals with the Family in the future and doesn’t know whether he should give the watch back.  At the same time, he gleaned visions of his own future during the war, and that eventually helped him out to avoid shell fire.  The scene where the Doctor and Martha visit the aged soldier during a ceremony was a nice touch.

    All of the details in the Doctor’s book of “dreams” were also really cool.  I wonder how much time and effort it took for someone to put that together for the show, just so we could catch glimpses of it.

    I feel like I could talk about this more, but I’ve covered all of the main points I could think of.  Once again, this was a pretty stellar two-parter, and is among some of the best episodes in the series.

    #75072
    VickyMallard @vickymallard

    The Doctor becomes… human?! Like really, physically human due to this Chameleon Arch? Interesting! Also interesting that there is this… family that can chase him through time and space and there is nothing he can do about it if they find him? Also interesting! And then of course there is the whole plot about human John Smith falling in love with the matron, and poor Martha has to stand aside and watch. “Of all things, you had to fall in love with a human… and it’s not me.” I really feel sorry for Martha, she seems to be the most unwanted companion ever (okay, I’ve only known Rose and Donna, but still.) I admit I’m not really a fan of “admiring girlfriend” types, but I nevertheless can’t help to feel sorry for the way her character is written. I do like her and she deserves something better than being second choice. But anyway, here we are now, and the Doctor doesn’t remember a thing. Which is probably good. I wonder if that young boy will survive the next episode, though. And I also wonder… he has already opened the watch and some of the content seems to have found its way into him. So does that mean the Doctor’s “essence” in the watch is now incomplete?

    Hm, second part was downright creepy and I’m not sure I understood it all. So the person suddenly appearing in the alien ship was indeed the Doctor? How did he fool the aliens that he’s still John Smith? If he can mask that smell that they use to trace him so well, why didn’t he do that in the first place?

    Personally, I was quite impressed by the acting here of John Smith being scared about changing back. If it was over the top, than I didn’t notice, but I haven’t seen much of other actors being the Doctor, and I admit I am not really neutral here 😉 Apart from all the actual horror on John Smith’s face, I loved that bit when Martha tells him about how he is as a Doctor: lonely and restless. “And that is what you want me to become?” I also loved how Matron Joan stood her ground in the end. John Smith was in love with her, but for the Doctor she wouldn’t have been more than a convenient adventure. And he doesn’t give cahoots about what this would mean for Martha, whom he would probably have dumped in the next possible nanosecond.

    Another fantastic thing was how they managed to portray the differences between the two characters. John Smith, terrified as a human being can possibly be, changed into the Doctor to save Joan and the village. The Doctor, being asked to change back into that being he so much wanted to be, didn’t dare. And I also loved her final sentence: “Tell me: if you hadn’t landed here in a whim, no one would have died – right?”

    The young boy was also excellent – and I liked that he survived and lived a long life. That was a positive conclusion of all this horror of kids having to prepare for war and going into war.

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