Joy to the World

[Craig @craig Emperor]

The 2024 Christmas Special. On a Christmas visit to London, Joy (Nicola Coughlan) soon discovers her hotel room opens a secret doorway to the Time Hotel.

Hopping from room to room and time period to time period she discovers danger, dinosaurs and the Doctor. But a deadly plan is unfolding and Joy may be the only person who can save all life on earth.

Nicola Couglan is this year’s Christmas guest star and is, of course, well known for Derry Girls and Bridgerton. She was also in Barbie with Ncuti Gatwa.

Written by Steven Moffat, this is directed by Alex Sanjiv Pillai. Pillai has directed many TV shows including Silent Witness, Being Human, Robin Hood, Merlin and Bridgerton.

[Craig @craig Emperor]

Well, after a fun day and a few drinks, I got to watch it. And I have to say I didn’t like this one at all. Not really one bit. It seemed like an idea in need of heart and character.

We hardly got to know Joy beyond cliched heart-plucking lines (I hate those). There was something there but it needed much more development. Moffat has written fantastic, if sentimental, Christmas episodes. I think this could be his worst ever.

And I hate saying that because I love the programme, I love Moffat’s work. I don’t want to sound like a hater. But this just felt really poor and underdeveloped.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@craig,

I revere you as our wise Emperor but, a lowly vassal, I confess that I rather enjoyed it. I take on board all your points, but I responded to it from the perspective of someone who has just experienced loss. I certainly felt that it went on for too long, but one of the things that captured me was that I saw it as a sweet and moving statement on the afterlife from a totally secular perspective.

But as I said, I watched it from the perspective of someone who has recently experience loss.

 

 

[winston @winston]

@craig @blenkinsopthebrave     Merry Christmas! We are halfway out of the dark.

My day was a lunch bag let down after sickness prevented my family from coming over. They were worried that we might get sick so we have postponed till new years. When I watched the episode I remembered how scared I was that I would get Covid and be in the hospital all  alone.  My nice old neighbor died in hospital during lockdown and most of his family never saw him. Parts of this made me sad because of those memories but it also lifted me up and left me feeling hopeful and grateful. I can’t ask for more from a Christmas show.

I really want to stay at the Time Hotel and I could have watched an hour of the Doctor going into all the rooms.Loved, loved Trev! He  would have made a great and loyal companion.The nice, unflappable women at the hotel and her relationship with the Doctor gave me a warm ,cozy feeling.The Doctor cries more now and I have always been a “sympathetic crier” so I cry more too.

There was maybe too much going on in this episode so I feel all those story lines were crushed into one show. But it is Christmas and a white one here where I am so I will be cheerful and say I liked this and it was a good Christmas episode over all.

Thanks for this place Craig.

stay jolly

[Charlie Cook @cookgroom]

I enjoyed it… mostly.
I lost my wife in the tailend of COVID, so I was actually able to be with her at the end, but none of the rest of her family were, so I found that part a bit heartwrenching.
Other than that, I thought it was fun. Im afraid that I guessed the punchline as soon as he opened the briefcase. Not sure how the managed to exist in the past before it was formed though 😀

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

I need to watch it again. I certainly need to hear the Silurian’s testament again. Important details there, I’m sure.</p>
But I feel I could be entertained and carried along by it… again… in a way that ‘The Legend of Death’ still has not. Rewatching that really does feel like a waste of time. Which is curious because the flaw in both is the dubious metaphysical resolution. Is that Disney at work? Or just a general plea for us not to give in even though we appear to be surrounded by murderous idiots.</p>
Or does it take 65 million years for a bunch of hopeless outsiders to subvert Villengard’s programming? And enable Joy to develop faster-than-light psycholevitation. Or was that because the extensive reprogramming during Boom? Who was in the cult cave that prevented suit case guy from marching in at the start. Might be better to avoid that. As Who has done until now. I was waiting for a Life of Brian reference. It didn’t arrive.</p>
The lockdown references seemed quite sound.

High points. The hotel concept. Supersized Dinosaur again… why not? Maybe they got that big but we ain’t dug one up yet. Doctor does the caretaker/lodger/trapped in time thing. Anita and Joy were both curiously underwritten but perhaps that’s always been the fate of occasional characters in Who. I would like to see Anita again tho.

The bootstrap paradox rehash was a bit ho hum. Just show this timewimey ‘thing’. It’s not like dumb intentional plot holes of Eternity or Time Lash… ‘gosh Doctor how did you do that?’

It wasn’t Last Christmas or Husbands of River Song but the leads aren’t characters Moff has invested in, I suppose.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Of course the bottleneck was the Cretaceous tree house, not the culty cave in the Levant. Doh

[Ubik @ubik]

Well, I liked it.

And there were at least three characters who would have been better than the “companions” 15 has been saddled with, so far…

[TamaraBeaverbank @tamarabeaverbank]

I liked it. Loved the chemistry between Anita and Ncutie. Wasn’t the strongest episode I’ve ever seen but was far from the weakest. I would have liked a wee but more teasing in Mrs Flood but overall I found it entertaining

[syzygy @thane16]

I absolutely loved it! I was sobbing mess throughout and I felt our Doctor showed a little more sensitivity and emotion than earlier this year?

Merry Christmas to all.
Puro.

[Necro.Divinity @necro-divinity]

I liked that the doctor had some time to himself but it felt like it was rushed into the episode to explain a future plot, it is nice to see another version of the doctor content with earth life though, merry Christmas all. At least it wasn’t daleks this year!

[janetteB @janetteb]

Merry Christmas all. (there are still a few days to go..) I really enjoyed it and it was just we needed after a rather “intense” Christmas Day. Warm and fun. The family were all engaged. So nice to be watching all together again. the ending was a bit sickly but not sure quite what the religious connotations of that are.

cheers

Janette

[Dr. Pepper-Bean @dr-pepper-bean]

A very weird episode that almost seems to promote suicide at Christmas time.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@dr-pepper-bean

well, as Voltaire might have said, if there wasn’t already a religion which has, for the last 1600 years, been throwing up its hands at the suffering and injustices of this world whilst reasoning that the slavishly obedient or insensate ones will be rewarded in a purely hypothetical next one, and simultaneously condemning those who can’t deal with this revolting process, you might have to make it up.

Mind you, that aspect of the story was the bit I liked least.

So, not weird exactly. Who knows, maybe Moff did this on purpose. Could he be an unreliable witness to the ressurrection? Because we have here a concatenation of rebirth for various victims of Villengard’s wonderful tech… definitely not nativity.

WHO doesn’t normally play with any specific religious elements. Sounds good to me. But Moff can write. So, these elements shouldn’t be accidental. Is he kicking back against good ol wholesome Disney? Or just doing his average play with Christmas tropes? Bear in mind this is supposedly his last outing. Well, maybe not.
Villengard is clearly significant. Translates as ‘the wild garden,’ in norse languages. Valeyard maybe ‘old man’ in french… but there is a superficial phonetic resemblance.

And something beginning with V is lurking within UNIT

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@ps1l0v3y0u

Re:Moffat “supposedly his  last outing…”

Really? I know IMDB can be unreliable, but Moffat is listed as the writer of the first episode of the 2025 season. And, as we know, Moffat is a master of playing the long game with his stories.

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@thane16

How wonderful to see you online again, Puro! It has been a while.

I’m with you. I found myself getting very emotional by the end. And why not?

All the best.

[WhoHar @whohar]

I quite enjoyed it, even if it did seem a bit like a rehash of some of Moffat’s ideas. Villengard again, Dinosaurs again, timey-wimeyness again. That’s not necessarily a bad thing though.

I thought Gatwa was more Doctory than he’s been before.

I confess to some confusion over how Joy survived and transformed the weapon into a star. My viewing was interrupted, so it may be something I missed.

And did Moffat introduce Jesus into the Whoniverse at the end?

Anyhoo, Happy New Year to all.

[Charlie Cook @cookgroom]

@whohar if they did explain how joy got the bomb, then I missed it as well…

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@blenkinsopthebrave @cookgroom @whohar

’Moff’s last outing’… I may have been extrapolating from Moff’s apparent reluctance in accepting RTD’s invite to write for the last series. ‘Oh go on, twist my arm.’

Otherwise, I may well have assumed incorrectly whilst suspecting correctly… the emphasis on Villengard indicates Moff and RTD are cooking a big fat arc together.

Wouldn’t it be great if Mathieson and Whithouse could be tempted back too? Maybe not the servile rat-people. Or are you going to tell me that’s been announced too? Might Not Be Suitable For Disney tho.

Joy and the bomb… star seed… whatever… I think, over 65 million years, the stooges between them subverted Villengard’s programming. Joy had been de-conditioned, so she could exercise her free-will, save the world and be reunited with her mother. And levitate faster than light. Hmmm.

But in any case, that’s what brings a triumvirate of Zoroastrian priests to Judea (actually about 3 BC… those old timers lost count somewhere.) Spacetime coordinates essentially.

‘There are a bunch of shepherds outside…’

‘We are bedding down in a stable you know!’

’And now some Persians have rocked up with blingy merch!’

’Woah. That doesn’t happen everyday. Is there something you haven’t told me?’

Perhaps we shouldn’t read any more into the nativity element, which rather lets WHO off the hook.

Thank goodness for that.

Unanswered question: why did Villengard want to blow up the earth in the first place?

Unanswered question 2: who has a Tree House in the Cretaceous?

[Devilishrobby @devilishrobby]

Well enjoyed the episode but wonder where it’s ultimately going to lead us the arms company seems to be rearing its head and makes me wonder if they are going to be the big bad of the next series. And I’m assuming the case code was a time paradox that may have its resolution in the future

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@devilishrobby
The things not so bad as first thought… Bethlehem… I can handle that. Kid gets born in challenging circumstances while arms manufacturer inexplicably supplies handy star. Anticipate a trio of Parthian visitors. This seems reasonable. It does break with the ‘no religion’ WHO protocol IMHO. I wonder why? Moff and Russ thumbing their noses at The Mouse maybe?

The things that didn’t work…

The code and the paradox. Not sure what metaphysical point Moff was trying to make. I assumed it must just take a year for the Doctor to get clever.

The ‘hotel room is the real you’ schtick. Does that mean people who stay in Premier Inns are all clones? Who REALLY gets to choose their hotel room? Yes the bolshy people who give hoteliers hell are legendary but I assume that’s because they got lucky once and dined out on it forever after.

The room didn’t even look THAT bad. Now, if there was a Minotaur stalking all the guests who were all going mad…
Or, if all the lifts broke down, the chef was incapable of cooking chips and the receptionist arrogantly uninterested (Travelodge Poole you know who you are… the actual room was fine) I could empathise. But Anita was so lovely I don’t really understand why the Sandringham wasn’t packed out with shepherds while Iranian mystics smothered her with bling, perfume and embalming fluid.
More Anita please.

Yes, it is actually your home that displays you. The hotel room is just a small space full of you. Hi. Feeling uncomfortable?

Of course The Doc is trying to shock Joy… but this bit did creak.

Villengard… yeah… I have speculated we could be dealing with a Valeyard/Vlinx alliterative happening. But why make a star? Is this a nod to Clarke’s 2010 Space Oddity 2? ie the intention was never to burn the Earth, but rather bring say Europa or Titan to life? Does someone inimical want its own species to fight for it, paint pretty pictures of it and call it Dad?

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

I mean Space Odyssey of course!

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Also, did you all notice the return of Mavity?

virtual reality.

Need to go back to Star Beast and Wild Blue Yonder…

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Mavity… 15 talks to Holo Trev about where the case is and asks about ‘rotational mavity.’ I could not find it again… thought I was going mad! I mean I thought I heard something about Trump invading Greenland and becoming Father Christmas….

Another problem though… if the Silurian Hotel Manager was the ultimate upgrade and could presumably go straight to the top floor… why did he choose Joy’s room? Unless he was only trailing a coat for 15… ie it was a trap for The Doctor all along! He was very keen for 15 to take the case. But, in that case, why didn’t the first carrier approach 15?

Also, why didn’t the Silurian just use the tree house door to get home? OK, maybe he liked slumming it in the hotel.

nb one of the other doors appeared to be for Bag End! But then this would seem to be a virtual reality…

[winston @winston]

@ps1l0v3y0u    I caught the mavity remark so you are not going mad although I heard Trump wants to “economically invade ” us here in Canada and make Wayne Gretzky the Prime Minister so……maybe I’m going mad.

I picture Wayne sitting at home in L.A, ,where he has lived for years, turning on the TV and saying “Why are you bringing me into this?”

stay cozy

 

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@winston

hmmm. Talk about ‘may you live in interesting times!’

Apparently, Seward wanted to grab Greenland in 1867, when the US purchased Alaska, presumably while the Danes were still reeling from the Schleswig War. Congress blocked him! Upstanding Democrats that they were.

I suppose you could sub Ukraine for Schleswig. Also that would reduce Canada to an inconvenient little stretch of land between the east and west bastions of  North America. Shaman and The Proud Boys could invade through the panhandle of Idaho!

Apparently the Danes have a dodgy claim to Greenland, having scarpered with it when Norway was forced to get into bed with Sweden. This is The Monroe Doctrine looking North East for a change. Oh these perfidious Europeans! They’re all so conflicted. Delinquent. Let’s face it, the fate of Iraquois and the Five Civilised Tribes was so not dodgy. Also, unconflicted, and hardly perfidious at all.

And it happened a long long time ago. Calm down Donald.

[nerys @nerys]

@winston Trump seems to think he made a new joke with that old “51st state” saw.

(I will take the rest of this to the off-topic forum, so as not to derail this thread.)

[Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent]

OK, just watched it.   First thoughts –

[Anorak mode ON] Oh dear, at 1 minute in, the Orient Express is shown crossing the Landwasser Viaduct. Only 5 things wrong with that: 1. The caption says Italy and the Landwasser is in Switzerland 2. The Orient Express never went that way. 3. The Orient Express could never go that way because 4: The OE was a standard gauge train and the Albula Bahn (part of Rhaetian Railways) is metre gauge 5. The line was electrified in 1919 Aside from that, not a bad bit of CGI 🙂 [/anorak]

“Should I make my mind blank too sir?”
“It may not be necessary in your case Trev.” ROTFL!

Joy is kind of irritating at first (she improves later).
But I do like the developing friendship between the Doctor and Anita, the receptionist.
Love the joke about the sink plunger, “Is this armed?” And the in-joke about Anita’s satnav that now takes her where she needs to go.
And my eyes got a bit damp when he had to leave her.

“Many things about this are – suboptimal.” Love it!

Incidentally, I’m pretty sure that’s not how stars form. They require an accumulation of billions of tons of – anything, being squished together by the extremely weak force of gravity – but a force with the unusual power that it’s always attractive, until the pressure and temperature at the core is high enough for fusion to start. Or something like that. You can, in theory, have a tiny sand-grain-sized black hole, but I don’t think you can have an atom-sized star. Never mind, the Who way is more poetic. (Maybe someone who actually knows will correct me 🙂

I found all the timey-wimey stuff a little bit confusing, though not enough to spoil my enjoyment. I guess on re-watching I’ll find it all fits, as I often do with Moff stories.

Now to read through the reactions

[Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent]

I see @craig‘s point, that it seemed a bit undeveloped. I’m reluctant to call it his ‘worst’ Christmas ep, I’d just say ‘least good’, and that only because his other Christmas eps were all very good (in my recollection). Except The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe. So, second least good 🙂

@winston Yes, I liked the way Anita calmly took everything in her stride. And I thought it was really lovely the way her relationship with the Doctor developed.

I’ve worked out why the Doctor had to wait a year. The Time Hotel linked up to various places/times in history at times when it chose to do so – in the case of Anita’s Sandringham Hotel this was ‘Christmas’ so the Time Hotel only linked once a year. Which is why the Doc had to wait a year for it to come round again.

@ps1l0v3y0u I think Vilengard was developing a weapon (the ultimate nuke) for sale to the highest bidder. They had no intention of vaporising Earth, it was just a convenient incubator for the thing until it was ready to hatch. At which point they would presumably have frozen it in time and said to the buyer ‘Here you are, park it next to your enemy, flip off the timelock and stand well clear’. The successive captive curators were just a way of making sure the last one would have a psychic link through which they could locate and retrieve their weapon – a link the Doctor broke.

I liked the way the device’s Vilengard Q&A activated automatically because Joy asked a question.
Also, “Vilengard respects the collateral sacrifice made by all aprticipating innocent lifeforms, regardless of race, species or belief system”. Doesn’t regret, doesn’t apologise, just ‘respects.’ Moff has got organisation-speak down pat.

Not my most favourite episode, but certainly one I’ll watch again.

[Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent]

This is basically a fresh review, since it’s long enough since I watched that I’ve forgotten much of the ep.

‘Orient Express, Italy, 1962’ See my previous post for 5 ways this is technically incorrect. 🙂
The book the girl is reading, though, does look like an authentic Penguin paperback.
And I don’t think the mountain in ‘Everest Base Camp 1953’ is actually Everest. I’d like to ID it, it isn’t the Matterhorn or K2, I suppose I could try a reverse image search but my geek streak doesn’t stretch that far.

The dialogue in the Time Hotel is interesting and witty – who wrote this? Oh, Moff. What a surprise.

“Make yourself comfortable. And don’t attract attention. You should be dead quite shortly.” Yep, definitely Moff.

I really like Anita as the harassed manager of a modest hotel.

That countdown on the briefcase – FutureDoc bursts in with the code, then ducks back into the Time Hotel with Joy and leaves NowDoc in the Sandringham Hotel to go the long way round. Moff absolutely loves these ‘long way round’ scenarios, any immortal can expect to encounter at least one in their ‘lifetime.’ In fact this one was the inverse of The Day of the Doctor where the 3 Docs were in a dungeon and the Screwdriver needed 400 years to work out the molecuar structure of the door – which the newest iteraion of the Screwdriver had just completed (and then Clara walked in because the door wasn’t locked).

The relationship developing between the Doctor and Anita is rather charming. Love the sink-plunger joke – ‘Is this armed?’ And Anita’s Satnav now takes her where she *needs* to go, and her car is now blue.
And the little row of Tardises – “Where d’you get them?” “Online, mostly. For some reason there’s loads of them.” Nice little nod to the fans, I think.
And I had a tear in my eye when the Doctor left Anita to close the time loop.

But I still can’t figure out where he got the code for the briefcase, maybe I missed it.

And *of course* the villains are Vilengard.

Geek mode on again – when he lassoes the track behind the train, causing the rope to pull the door in the chamnber open – why do the train wheels emit sparks? – they’re not transmitting any brake force.

I have to admit the last few minutes were a bit too mystical for me; how did Joy acquire the ability to fly and take the starseed with her into deep space?

Never mind, for a feelgood Christmas episode it was entirely wachable.

 

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@dentarthurdent @janetteb

Joy to the World.

Looks like Moff ‘gets’ Christmas Who. Chib wasn’t allowed (or maybe he didn’t fancy it). You would think RTD finds it a tedious time of year: the decorations are tacky, the tv is rubbish, people eat too much, the snow is fake and people insist on laying hospitality on you whether you want it or not.

Now Moff…

1. Scrooge & childhood/lost love

2. Narnia & life and death & family

3. More Victoriana & Travers/Lewis/Nesbitt/Conan Doyle/Henry James (Ghost Story for Christmas);

4. Christmas dinner, meet the relatives & church &… well resurrection? (isn’t that Easter? ‘Time of the Doctor’ got away from him)

5. Christmas iconography – Santa & sidekicks, christmas hits & family again;

6. The Big Question… how do exes spend their christmases? Also more dumb scifi & heist blockbusters;

7. Superhero films/Two men and a Baby, & loss;

8. The Christmas Truce. Resolution and continuation.

So lots of theme and literary nouse, most pleasing to my eyes, ears and brain, but no wonder other people got twitchy, wanting classic monsters. And A Man. The barking of dogs.

This time, RTD obviously didn’t fancy two Xmas specials in a row. Nonetheless, considering the erm ‘resolution’ of season 2, he must have suggested some of the plot elements. It would nice if Moff got another gig, tho I’m not counting on it. Nonetheless, there are elements of continuity that suggest he might – I’ll explain later.

No matter; what does ‘Joy’ bring? Hmmm. Lonely desperate people trapped in strange hotels: family illustrated by absence. The resolution is the ‘star seed’ which becomes the holy star. What then of ‘flesh will rise’? Honestly? Dunno. Someone must become incarnate or be resurrected. But this is the dastardly Villengard corporation! Somehow, I doubt even RTD would want them to have orchestrated the nativity. Trev’s communication implant leads The Doctor and Joy to the star seed as it’s about to germinate, having previously been planted in the stomach of a Theropod in the Cretaceous.

Question… why didn’t the Silurian manager go straight to The Cretaceous? Was the seed meant to go off in 66,002,024 AD or thereabouts? Instead of 3BC. But then Joy decides she wants to go to a tree-house in The Cretaceous… why? Well, Joy is an accident. Was the Manager trailing a coat for The Doctor and therefor chose a door at random? Was he actually meant to take the Star Seed to Middle Earth (hope you noticed he walked past the door to Bag End?)

Silly. Or very dark. Because Joy does seem to have a death wish. Did that come from Moff or RTD? The Doctor’s cruelty to Joy was worthy of 7 and Ace.

The teleport/warp speed thing at the end puzzled me, but it’s presumably a built-in feature. Of course those dastardly V people never wanted to blow up the world! Not yet anyway, they just wanted make someone incarnate like they said. No, not Jesus. So who?

Villengard, V’linx, V’indicator (if that counts), REG’s face in Rogue’s scan… the Valeyard. Btw did you notice, the people possessed by the Star Seed have Harmony Shoal eyes? Anita is hired by The Time Hotel and she does what The Boss says.

Villengard and Harmony Shoals SEEM to be Moff’s inventions, unless they were always part of a ‘hypothetical’ Cartmel 2.0 plan. I think Moff might want to revisit those toys.

The progression of Star Seed carrier from weirdo to Joy is peculiar: presumably only Trev could legitimately approach The Manager. How does The Doctor get the security code? That was technobabble that were; know it anywhere. Or Moff had some advanced maths in mind. Or it’s a Time Lord/timey-wimey thing.

The Orient Express and Everest pleased my eye, anyway.

[winston @winston]

@dentarthurdent  @ps1l0vey0u       I always enjoy the Christmas episodes and I like a sappy ,happy ending so this one was a good one. I loved Trev!  I would gladly watch a show about the hotel with Anita and Trev managing all the tourists and doors. Fantasy Island goes Time Hotel. I would definitely visit the Hobbit Door. My imagination is going crazy just thinking about it.

stay timey- wimey

 

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Joy To The World: appendix.

Looking again at the progress of the Star Seed, Joy IS on record as saying she needs a room further back in time. Even so, Joy is still an accident. The Silurian clearly intended The Doctor to get the Star Seed, NOT Joy. Was that was always the intention? Because we have seen, the Silurian was chosen deliberately to get access to the ‘right’ room. So, was The Doctor a known risk to be eliminated? Star Seed couriers do not seem to have a good life expectancy. Nonetheless, why did the Star Seed need multiple couriers?

’Joy to the World’, like the rest of the Disney reboot, was interesting but not all that coherent, maybe rushed?

In any case, the Star Seed may not have been due to go off in 3BC, though we know it did. Or something stellar may be convenient. Maybe it didn’t matter exactly when, just NOT too late, whenever too late was.

‘Flesh will rise’… so, Villengard is NOT curating the nativity, cos that REALLY doesn’t sound like Moff or RTD.

And Joy becomes organic warp drive at the end: an organic Star Seed Elevator. Is that what ‘flesh will rise’ means? That’s obviously what we’re supposed to think.

I observe that Moffat deliberately seeds numerous narratives as he goes along, for himself perhaps, or for those yet to come, if they happen to fancy the look of them. Some may be abandoned… but ARE they? Surely he’s not coming back… or IS he? If not you would think it a lot of it is loosely planned – but HOW?

RTD2, whether you like it not… and it’s quite difficult to like it all… DOES seem in sympathy with Moff. Think of The Toymaker. ‘Well THAT’S all right then’ is the acerbic summation of the fate of each of Moff’s companions. The Fam and Dan may not need a mention because they revert to normality and are given support groups as opposed to existentially challenging new realities. BUT The Toymaker does greet The Flux like it’s something off the sole of his shoe.

You don’t want to tread stuff into the DW carpet.

7-2-1-4… has anyone yet suggested these represent ‘key’ incarnations of The Doctor?
The Gods of Ragnarok?

The Mindrobber?

The ‘Heresy’ of The First and The Original.

The Fendahleen? Or The Watcher??

Or is it just RTD’s PIN number?

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