S33 (7) 9 – Cold War
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14 April 2013 at 02:16 #5459
One more thing–who’s going to speculate about that Barbie ? @juniperfish, any theories? I’m hoping this means he has a Barbie Dream House somewhere in the Tardis. It’s bigger on the inside.
14 April 2013 at 05:39 #5465Just a thought or two…
the Doctor seems to be a little bit nervous about the Tardis: first he doesn’t want to take it into battle with the spoon heads and now he has set up a feature so it automatically relocates. It seems to be a theme building up.Also in the underwater scene with clara, the sonic screwdriver appears to stay “on” while it is underwater. Probably insignificant, but it seemed a little odd.
Lastly, the professor seemed to be pretty confident about them getting out of the scrape. Usually, no one is that confident in these situations except for the doctor. He seems to really care about Clara and be interested her in a “longing” sort of way. He also didn’t hesitate to use a gun against the ice warrior unlike the doctor.
14 April 2013 at 07:36 #5467hmmmmm. UNIT’s logo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UNIT_wing.png
Clara’s necklace:
http://who-lligan.tumblr.com/post/47579600679/for-james-teekay-who-pointed-out-for-me-claras
14 April 2013 at 07:38 #5469I really don’t want Clara connected to Rose. I want to like Clara!! :grumpy:Is it true that Susan’s Gallifreyan name is Arkytior, and it means “rose?”
14 April 2013 at 07:59 #5471Ok, I was looking at the Tardis Data Core wiki and found this:
Another [account of Susan] intimated that she was one of the last children born on Gallifrey before Pythia’s Curse. She was sent away from Gallifrey by the Other-her grandfather- during the Great Schism to Tersurus. She later returned to Gallifrey to search for him, where she met the Doctor, who she recognised as her grandfather, reborn. (PROSE: Lungbarrow)
14 April 2013 at 07:59 #5473@lula I believe it is a Sindy Doll rather than a Barbie Doll – as Sindy was launched in 1963 – would certainly make more sense
14 April 2013 at 10:36 #5475@ardaraith. – there was never any indication in the TV series that Susan had a Gallifreyan name. Whatever happens in the books should not be regarded as part of the history of the Television series.
The Clara created by Rose when she was Big Bad Wolf does not make sense to me for a number of reasons: if Rose had the sort of power necessary, she would have changed the Universe so she got to stay with her Doctor; what would be the purpose of Clara if Rose had created her? She doesn’t save him every time – she might help and sometimes be critical in the escape/solution, but she does not save him. So why would Rose create her?
Plus, and please correct me if I am wrong, but hasn’t the whole Universe been rebooted since Rose’s turn as the Wolf? How and why would anything Rose did secretly survive that when it was not a part of Amy’s memories, the Doctor’s memories or the TARDIS’ experience?
Finally, I just don’t see Moffat turning to an RTD solution to explain his creation. I really don’t.
14 April 2013 at 10:37 #5477@lula thanks for the “Rose scattered Clara in time” theory link. Mmmn I don’t buy it either, but I like its thinking 🙂
I don’t know about the Barbie/ Sindy. It does bring the Nestene to mind as fellow fish @branfish joked over on The Guardian.
Perhaps the three things together externalise where the Doctor’s head it at at the moment:
An apple, a puzzle (the string – a big ball of timey-wimey stuff) and a woman – the tempting puzzle of Clara.
I mean, he’s chasing around the universe trying to figure out an impossible woman again. He’s been there before (River) and she was a weapon designed to kill him. So, he should at least be considering that maybe Clara is some kind of tempting (hence the apple) trap?
14 April 2013 at 10:45 #5479However…
That doll struck me as a Rose representation. And Roses do go with Clara.
She seems always to wear red – so there might be something to be said for the Red Riding Hood theme.
Lets assume for the moment that the Big Bad Wolf for this season is the Great Intelligence. It has to consume both grandmother and Clara and then be killed by the Hunter so that they can both be rescued. You could see how Tennant, Rose and Clara could be consumed by the Great Intelligence, and Smith saves the day, possibly losing his life to save himself.
14 April 2013 at 11:19 #5481@htpbdet , yea, the connection with Susan’s supposed Gallifreyan name isn’t cannon, but it was such a lovely rabbit hole. I’m not a fan of the Bad Wolf idea, as I’m not a fan of Rose. Besides, what better red herring than Clara wearing Red!
14 April 2013 at 11:30 #5483hmmmm…. have we had the Professor as the Valeyard yet?
If he’s an incarnation of the Doctor as others have suggested (and I’m happy to believe from his questioning of Clara), then would the only Dr who’d happily use a gun, be the Valeyard?
14 April 2013 at 11:32 #5485I like that. Clara the Red Herring.
Given that Gatiss’ Adventures in Space and Time is happening and will remind all youngsters who Susan was, it seems more likely than not to me that Clara is wrapped up in Susan – either she is her or her child or her mother – somehow.
14 April 2013 at 11:39 #5487Just a thought: the fields of Trenzalore, where no one can speak falsely or fail to answer, and I’m damn certain that it’s phrased that way specifically to provide a ‘get out clause’. Last episode, we heard Clara say ‘You know when someone asks you what your favourite book is, and you instantly forget every book you ever read?’
This episode, the Professor asks her what sorts of things she does and she promptly goes ‘err, err, stuff!’. Yet seconds before she had no problems talking about Karaoke and hen nights. Similarly, she can’t think where she’d most like to go – she makes the Doctor choose – but can easily tell little Merry about a childhood memory.
Suppose she’s got the equivalent of a password-protected memory? She can choose to talk about her past; but as soon as someone asks her a direct question about her past she temporarily forgets that past. She can therefore answer, truthfully, ‘I don’t know’.
She is not speaking falsely, she has not failed to answer. At that moment, she truly does not know.
14 April 2013 at 11:44 #5489@Whist – the Doctor has used a gun, and as far as I could see, the Professor doesn’t even seem to have wounded the Ice Warrior. That would be entirely consistent – he shot to miss.
He’s willing to use guns (and indeed, grenade launchers) against the Daleks. As he explained to Ace when he was busily encouraging the precursor of UNIT to go all Full Metal Jacket – “What do we do then, talk to them sternly?”
14 April 2013 at 11:47 #5491i like that notion of Clara not bring able to remember. Clever thought!
14 April 2013 at 11:56 #5493Hi @Bluesqeakpip – yep, you’re right, and Warner had none of the preening ego of the Valeyard.
to be honest was throwing it out there grenade style!
:¬)oh and btw (to be screamed Braveheart stylee):
“I am not a card game – I am a quiet man!”😉
14 April 2013 at 11:58 #5495Actually as mentioned before, the oldest question may be the one we all have – “Who am I?”.
I think on the Fields of the Nephilim, that we may learn who Clara is as well…
14 April 2013 at 12:21 #5497Would I be right in thinking that we’ve had the potential for other Drs to be weaved in (a la Big Bang time hopping) in all 3 episodes so far?
The screeching traffic in Bells (while they’re in the cafe terrace).
The Dr disappearing in Rings (coming back eating the blue cake).
Clara unconscious in Cold War (who pulled her out – though probably over-thinking that last one).14 April 2013 at 12:24 #5499@whisht – sorry. My granny didn’t say ‘whisht’. She just played ‘whist’. 🙂
14 April 2013 at 12:34 #5501@lula @juniperfish – that vortex rose creates Clara; I don’t think it stands up when you look at what rose actually says. She specifically says she scatters words, a message to herself (not life). She says she can create life after (not before as the tumbler page implies disingenuously) and from memory that is intercut with jack waking up, suggesting its specific to him.
There are defo rose clues though… The implication from above being that she is sending messages through time and they are intersecting with Clara, possibly are about Clara. Or maybe it’s just coincidence, because that’s just happens to be where the doctor is.
I’m increasingly intrigued by the docs phrase about saying his name – he says “only time I could” not “would”. This could imply tradition (eg marriage… Prob what we are supposed to think) or that there’s something physically stopping him … Which ties in with password protected memories someone suggested about Clara …
14 April 2013 at 12:36 #5503@whisht. Whishtful thinking I think. 🙂 can someone explain to me the fuss about the returning Dr eating the blue fruit. Clara didn’t like it – so what? Does that mean the Doctor has to like it? Was there something I missed – always
possible…14 April 2013 at 12:39 #5505Only just seen this, so I’ll add my two pence worth. Not read any reviews or comments and I’ve not even been near the Guardian blog, so I feel like a bit of a turncoat. Anyway.
My favourite Gatiss ep. Nicely claustraphobic and moved the Ice Warriors on well, although it took a while to warm up (NPI). Could have done with a bit more exposition up front – why was the Ice Warrior in the Arctic, how did he get there, how did the Russians find him? Then there was the young Russian submariner who decided to melt the ice with the blowtorch / welding tool. What on earth possessed him to do that? He was a trained soldier, under the command of an unforgiving regime and he just “decided” to melt the ice. Hmmm. The real reason wasn’t curiosity but numerical; the restriction of 45 minute eps. This story would hav been even better as a two-parter.
But after a slightly inauspiscious start, things rapidly improved and the ep turned into Alien on a Submarine. David Warner gave good value as a music-loving scientist, particularly “Vienna” – I’m ignoring the Duran Duran reference. I was just waiting for him to be dragged through the door hatch he was sitting on when he was talking to Clara. That conversation was odd too – she was very non-comittal when he asked her about her life. Is she hiding something?
Liam Cunningham was convincing but sadly underused.
Oh, and I liked the fact that the Russians didn’t have accents.
Once the Ice Warrior had escaped his suit, the ep. reminded of old Who – in a good way. A sudden movement across screen here , a hint of a colour of a something there, a scaly claw coming into shot. The reveal was good, although it did remind me a bit of a large Gremlin.
The Doc was back to his non-violent advocacy. And I thought he was going to kiss Clara at the end.
Enjoyable, as evidenced by the fact that it went by too quickly.
I’m off to post this on the Guardian website and to read all the trolling bs.
14 April 2013 at 12:41 #550714 April 2013 at 12:50 #5509@theatreguy —-I’ve never even heard of Sindy–and I thought Barbie was universal, like Mickey Mouse, so I sit corrected.
@htpbdet —-Your final logic against the Bad Wolf Clara idea is my number one reason for not following that theory. No way would Moffat make a new companion all about a previous companion, particularly a character he didn’t create. It’d be much easier for me to accept Clara being tied to Jack or River before Rose, for this very reason. I don’t know how it’s viewed in Britian, but in America we have an enormous contingency of Who fans who are still stuck on Rose and the Doctor. When Tennant and Piper’s involvement in the 50th Special was announced, people lost their collective minds. “ROSE AND TEN ARE COMING BACK, THE ENTIRE SHOW WILL BE ALL ABOUT THEM AGAIN, FINALLY!”
No. And frankly, gross. (I like Piper and Tennant but I don’t want the 50th anniversary special to be all about their characters, is that I’m saying.)
@ardaraith — I’ve said all along that the presence of roses and Clara’s penchant for red were just that–red herrings. And nice catch about Clara’s necklace and UNIT’s logo. That is very interesting, indeed. I wish fans (over here) were as excited about Jemma Redgrave’s involvement in the 50th as they were Billie Piper’s. Ahhhhh, well…fangirls. 🙂
14 April 2013 at 12:52 #5511While we’re talking about a Mark Gatiss episode. @bluesqueakpip’s musings about her potentially being adopted put me in mind of George in “Night Terrors”.
The Doctor explained he was drawn by the aching need of people who wanted a child, and became that perfect child as far as possible. Rewriting their memories in doing so to become accepted.
I think the aspects of Clara that we are shown are her excelling in certain roles. Perfect child, perfect friend, perfect substitute mum – perfect companion? Almost like those relationships are what define her. Like George drawn by empathy to those in need. Looking back at the prequel she gives the Doctor the perfect encounter as a young girl, leaving him a bit more optimistic.
It’s when she’s asked about something individual that she seems to flounder. “What do you want to see” last episode and “What do you like doing” in this. It’s that core element of Clara that seems a blank slate. I was wondering if the doll was a throwaway representation of that idea. A “hollow girl” in some way.
By the way – that description is no slight to Jenna. I’ve found her performances delightful and I think Clara’s is going to be a great ongoing story.
14 April 2013 at 13:11 #5513@lula – Sindy is the British version of Barbie – I think considering it’s her 60th Birthday it was probably a little anniversary in joke. I maybe wrong and it’s just a Barbie…
14 April 2013 at 13:13 #551550th birthday even…
14 April 2013 at 13:23 #5517Yes, I think there are two things we are sure about regarding Clara. The first is she does not remember her past unless something triggers a memory. The second is that she cannot answer questions about her past or who she is or what she wants – because she does not know.
All of which makes me think she is Susan under a fob watch and the fob watch is slowly breaking down. Perhaps it’s the fob watch splintering that creates the two other Claras?
I agree that the question is most likely to be “Who am I” or “What am I?”. But I think that is the question the 12th Doctor asks after his regeneration, looking at the devastation around him. And Clara/Susan will be there to help him find out…
I think Moffat’s big hope is to regenerate Smith at the end of the Anniversary Special and to keep it a compete surprise…and if he pulls it off, all kudos to him.
14 April 2013 at 13:34 #5519Well. I very much enjoyed that. Very evocative of Alien, as others have said.
I thought the characters were believable despite the minimalistic (not a criticism!) dialogue, and that the story was logical and consistent, with a satisfying conclusion which is exactly the kind of Who I like. More please!
I think it’s pretty clear now that Clara is incapable or unwilling to answer a direct question, but it should be noted that I didn’t see any sign of this trait in her earlier incarnations.
I like the fact the Tardis is going unreliable again. I seem to remember it was always wandering off somewhere in old-Who!
14 April 2013 at 13:55 #5521Are trolls afraid of the no. 13( it’s a magical no.)? A dearth of them on the Nesting Consciousness yesterday, with (nearly) one & all proclaiming it the best episode for yonks. But today the ‘Who lovers who hate’ are back with a vengeance, all but monopolising the site, informing us that it was ‘the worst one ever’, explained with vast tracts of reasoning. You have been warned…
14 April 2013 at 17:03 #5535Bit obscure, but in a Seventh Doctor novel by Craig Hinton (apparently), so that’s extant strict TV canon, we find out that the Ice Warriors worshipped the Osirians….
Score another one on the Osiris/ Egyptology references.
Loving the Clara is pass-word protected and therefore can’t remember what she isn’t supposed to theory started by @bluesqueakpip
And on the subject of why it is the Doctor tells River his name. Well, if the Isis myth is followed – Isis tricked Ra the Sun-God into telling her his name. So perhaps, if the Doctor is going dark-side River had to trick him into giving up his real name in order to be able to de-power him (names in Egyptian mythology had magical power, and if you knew a true name, it could give you power over that person).
It is interesting that songs and music are featuring heavily, as someone else said – perhaps a reference to River, the Doctor’s Song of Songs 🙂
14 April 2013 at 17:15 #5537@wolfweed – ah the guardian is welcome to them, I’ve burnt my bridges. What worries me is what happens when they discover all this virgin territory…
@phaseshift – I like your idea that this Clara at least seems to be empty vessel without external stimulus (but then isn’t everybody in their early twenties?). Which suggests she some kind of trap designed to attach herself to the doctor as the “perfect” companion ( and perfect mystery)… I kind of got the impression that the professor wasn’t so much helping Clara through PTSD after seeing dead bodies (though to be fair that would be a perfectly normal reaction) as sounding out someone who didn’t seem quite “right” as a fully functioning individual… Which might give credence to the idea of Warner returning, as the person to unmask whatever she is (the doctor being completely blind to it)
14 April 2013 at 17:36 #5539@juniperfish … Much as I’m rooting for you on the Egyptology front, that someone tried to unify pyramids of mars with the ice warriors canon is kind of inevitable, so maybe that does quite count … 😀
If the doc is tricked into revealing his name, that would fit with his “only way I could” phrasing and rivers apology, so I’m liking that a lot (though it kind of conflicts with her using it to build trust)
14 April 2013 at 17:49 #5541@haveyoufedthefish Ah – I’ve thought about this!
River knows the Doctor’s future before he does, as we know….
So what if she knows that to be brought back from the dark-side she MUST know his name, in his future. She’s going to have to get it from him before he knows what’s going on.
What better way then, than to tell him the first time he meets her “Someday I am going to be someone you trust, completely” and to prove it – whisper the magic name in his ear. He will be left with the impression “Wow, I really do trust this one”, which renders him deeply susceptible to trusting her and surrendering his name to her when the time comes 🙂
Perhaps he really does tell her his name when they get married (properly, a second time) but all along she only cajoles him into the proper ceremony because she knows she HAS to get that name to save him from himself at another point in time…
14 April 2013 at 17:49 #5543@HTBetc
but, on the other hand, why would 2013 Clara know a 1981 song?
She specifically stated she knew it from karaoke. The 80s have been trendy several times, for some reason. Not entirely convince Hungry Like A Wolf lends itself to karaoke, mind!
I will be mighty pissed off if Clara turns pout to be a baddy. Am still leaning towards Susan’s mum, with Susan as a fallback position.
14 April 2013 at 17:57 #5549@haveyoufedthefish @juniperfish – however, learning that someone tricked you into revealing “the name,” would not engendered trust.
In Classic Who, the Time Lords seemed able to exercise significant control over the Doctor, even determining his regeneration. Is this correct (I’m only a minnow)? I wonder what their connection is to the use of the Doctor’s name. Regardless, knowing that his future self entrusted River to be present for the revelation of his name, or to be his support when he ‘had’ to reveal his name / utter his name / ask the question, is what prompts 10 to trust her in the moment.
14 April 2013 at 18:12 #5551If I might throw a loopy theory into the mix….
The submarine is a Katyusha class (as written on the walls). Katyusha missile launchers were named after an old folk song with the following lyrics
Oh you tender song sung by a maiden
Spread your wings and fly towards the sun.
Find the soldier in the distant trenches
Bring him from Katyusha greetings fond.
May he then remember his beloved
May he hear her sweet song like a dove
To his last breath may he guard his homeland
Like Katyusha guards their tender love.The first four lines could be construed to be represented by the last two episodes.
I’ll get my coat…
14 April 2013 at 18:28 #5553@charlie-cook – I don’t know about loopy, the correlation is quite striking actually!
14 April 2013 at 18:34 #5559@charlie-cook – Oh! In the trailer for Hide there is a reference made to “the maiden” – could it be …. Clara ???
14 April 2013 at 18:38 #5561Back to Duran Duran – yes Clara would know it from radio, clubs, etc, pop is constantly looking back at its own past and being nostalgic for the sounds of previous decades. Can’t recall which bits of lyric we heard from the Prof or from Clara, but this line seems pertinent: Scent and a sound. I’m lost and I’m found / And I’m hungry like the wolf….
14 April 2013 at 18:40 #5563@juniperfish – exactly @ardaraith, although I love the idea of river playing a long game on trust – and she certainly is manipulating the doc in a playful way – that gambit wouldn’t really engender trust, right then, in the library. Well it might, but it doesn’t square with rivers condolence, unless she’s simply apologising for giving away a spoiler, of course.
14 April 2013 at 18:41 #5565Going on from ‘pass-word’ protected, I wonder if (if there is a password) it’s the Doctor’s name?
Looking at your Egyptology references, @juniperfish, I note that the name is one of the parts of a person’s soul. As long as the name can be spoken, the person’s soul isn’t truly dead.
Which kind of adds significance to River knowing the Doctor’s name; though I do think that when Moffat wrote Silence in the Library he did think River found out the Doctor’s name when they married – and the apology was because she was about to tell the Doctor his future, meaning he had no choice but to marry her. Moffat’s just changed his mind since (when the actress was available to become a semi-regular).
But the significance now is that River does become Isis (don’t know if you’ve already mentioned this, but the Isis is a river, by the way).
So what if Clara is – well, several possibilities. She may be the next incarnation of the Doctor. She may be the Doctor’s granddaughter or daughter, or descendent. She may be an ordinary human, or she may be a biological construct, designed to the Doctor’s specifications.
Whatever. The point is, that she’s a container. She holds within her the Doctor’s memories. More than his memories, she holds himself, his ‘soul’, his memories, stories, hopes and dreams. It’s all there, hidden, and it cannot be accessed until the password is spoken.
And what she represents is the Doctor’s last desperate throw of the dice; because at some point the body of the Eleventh is taken over – either by his dark self or by something like the GI. And the Doctor’s ‘soul’ within his body has been destroyed.
And that’s why we’ve been watching story after story where it’s emphasised that the ‘real’ person might not be in the body they first started with. (There was another ‘doppleganger’ this week, when it was emphasised that Skaldak and his armour weren’t the same thing – but that the Doctor was so used to thinking of them AS the same thing, it never occurred to him that Skaldak could escape from his armour). The Doctor’s body doesn’t have to be the same thing as the Doctor. The Doctor’s ‘soul’ might be – like Rory the Roman – hanging out in another body entirely.
Is that bonkers enough for everyone?
14 April 2013 at 19:15 #5569@whohar – Bravo on Guardian site.
@craig – you have done a marvellous thing creating this site. Please keep out the forces of despair and vitriol.
@ IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan – I found time to watch it again. I was wrong to think Clara was singing a Martian song – and I think it was because the moment was so portentous, I just mistook the reason for that.
But thank you – you encouraged me to go back and look again. And, correct me if I am wrong, but is the question about knowing that song the only time that Clara answers a question about herself? I think it might be.
On second careful viewing, when you analyse it, there is no basis for saying that love won in the end in this story. Skaldak was beamed to his people’s ship before he made a decision about whether to launch the missiles – on the Martian ship they decided to go and not send the pulse which would have launched the nuclear missile and started war – possibly because it did not suit their plans – given the time line, we know the Ice Warriors post 1983 will actively want to conquer Earth and make it their own (Seeds of Death). So that makes sense.
The real question at the end is how did the missiles become disabled? Did the Martians do it? Or did Clara by singing the song? And, if the latter, what does it mean? Is she, somehow, the embodiment of Idris (the TARDIS)? And if, so, who is inside the TARDIS?
I know I have been plumping for Clara as Susan – and she might be – but it might be that Idris has been forced out of the TARDIS by the GI and taken rest in Susan…when you examine that final section of Cold War ( at @37 mins) these things are clear: the missiles are primed, the Dr is dithering unsure what to do, should be destroy the submarine and them or risk the Martians sending pulse before he can? Then Clara sings and the missiles become disabled. It seems clear, and I don’t know why I did not see this earlier, that Clara must have disarmed them. And the Hungry Wolf allusion suggests Bad Wolf and the TARDIS vortex…cue to Idris being embodied in Clara/Susan.
And if Susan is hidden with a fob watch, Idris’s occupation of her might be enough to cause splintering through time as the chameleon cloaking breaks down?
Yes, it’s gin and tonic time again…
14 April 2013 at 19:19 #5573@juniperfish – the “power of a name” idea has also already cropped up in the Shakespeare episode with 10, where the Doctor was able to defeat the Carrionite in Bedlam because he knew her true name – “that’s old magic”.
14 April 2013 at 19:20 #5575@bluesqueakpip – that allows for one heck of a cliffhanger since it allows the doc to be physically unrecoverably atomised. The solution is then to just to download him from clara into a convenient dopple. Bit Spock/McCoy though?
So that would make the person who scattered the Clara device through time for the doc to find would be … The doc?
14 April 2013 at 19:24 #5577@bluesqueakpip – Oh – the Isis is an actual river too – nice 🙂
Yes, the Egyptian soul is fascinating with all its many parts, Bas and Kas etc.
Whatever. The point is, that she’s a container. She holds within her the Doctor’s memories. More than his memories, she holds himself, his ‘soul’, his memories, stories, hopes and dreams. It’s all there, hidden, and it cannot be accessed until the password is spoken.
Yes I like this – and as @scaryb has reminded me that there was a song reference or two in Asylum of the Daleks (Carmen, of course) when we first meet Clara, perhaps the “pass key” is… a song or a River Song, or indeed, River singing a song!
@htpbdet oh I think Clara singing did trigger at least hesitation in our Ice Warrior because she reminded him of his daughter and singing the “songs of the red snow” with her… so I pretty much reckon love did have a soppy great hand in saving the day.
@charlie-cook nice catch on Katyusha!
14 April 2013 at 19:40 #5579Who Susan really is is as much of a mystery as the identities of The Dr & Clara.
I think if Clara twists her ankle, the internet will explode!
Also, as theories abound about Dr becoming dark (Valeyard, etc.) there is also the possibility that Dr was Dark (the Other). Although the 2nd is not canon, Nu-Who often borrows from other media (eg. We’ve seen female Ice-Martians in comics before).
14 April 2013 at 19:58 #5581@juniperfish. But did she? We may think that, but nothing Skaldak says or does actually suggests it. He asks the Doctor who will blink first and Clara steps in. Before he decides anything, the Martian ship arrives and he is beamed up Scotty. Maybe we, especially me, were/was too quick to conclude that Clara had any effect on Skaldak at all?
On a different topic – I have been musing over the “these episodes reflect the earlier Doctors” theory and realised that I had completely overlooked that Bells of St John echoes Hartnell – the Shard is central to it and the forces of evil lurk there, exactly as in War Machines. While there are references to the First Dr and Susan in Rings, you cannot really say that it is like a Hartnell story – but it is certainly like an Eccleston one ( or two ). Cold War is clearly a riff on Troughton and next week looks like a homage to Pertwee, but it may be more a homage to Tennant – we will see.
And back to 123….maybe Bells was Hartnell, Rings was Ecclestone ( the other first Dr), Cold War was Troughton, next week is Tennant ???
More doubles, just a different kind?
14 April 2013 at 20:02 #5585@wolfweed – technically the other isn’t the doctor, but the doc is his clone. Im thinking moffatts plan is the doctor himself has a dark past, theres something within him he’s held in check for most of 900 years, but saying his name will release.
14 April 2013 at 20:09 #5587@haveyoufedthefish – Cheers for the Clara-fication! (Dreadful pun intended).
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