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  • #61914
    wolfweed @wolfweed
    #61956
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    The above synopsis has been removed from the (American) bbc shop

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    #61976
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Bradley Walsh talks Doctor Who on ‘This Morning’ on Monday (tomorrow)…

    tm

    #61977
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Once again This Morning promised Dr Who chat & failed to deliver! Same thing happened recently with Freema Agyeman ! F***ing false advertising!

    tm

    #62049
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    The NYCC Peter Capaldi panel just finished but while this video is still live, you should be able to take it back to the beginning and watch it…

    #62051
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Given that all the old faces will be there to see number 12 off, here’s bonkerising that the scene will go like this:

    Scene at 1:50:40

    mr52

     

    #62059
    ichabod @ichabod

    @wolfweed  Ha ha ha!  Mel Ferrer!  Sza Sza Gabor!  All those super-saturated color film bios of famous artists — now *I* feel 600 yrs old (or — maybe 2,000?).

    #62076
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    expect less episodes says tabloid… Ten Hour-long episodes? So says The Mirror…

    jw

    #62080
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Unconfirmed reports that the next series will feature more historical episodes. Yah! I grew up on Hartnell’s historical episodes, so am very intrigued as to how they will handle them.

    #62085
    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave I hope those reports are correct. I loved the historical stories too.
    Cheers
    Janette

    #62088
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @janetteb

    “The Aztecs” is one of my all time favourites. If they could do something as brilliant as that I would forgive Chibnall for “Broadchurch 2″…

    #62089
    janetteB @janetteb

    @bleninsopthebrave AZtecs is also another strong “Barbara” story. I enjoy The Romans too despite the lapse into Benny Hill type farce. I only wish that Marco Polo had not been trashed or the Crusades.
    Cheers
    Janette

    #62090
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    PETER CAPALDI’S LAST PANEL as the Doctor at NYCC

    #62136
    MissRori @missrori

    (sigh) With all the sad news in the world right now of man’s inhumanity to man, I’m tempted to put extra impetus on the Christmas special to make things up for this crummy year.

    For me, at this point I won’t be fully satisfied unless everybody who ever cared for Twelve appears (including Clara and River and Missy, so he knows he redeemed her), he gets to have 1,000 more years before regenerating, the Time Lords and Ohila come grovelling back to him begging for forgiveness, and he gets a day of glorious universe-saving  triumph as his predecessors did.  (Technically of course, he got that in “Hell Bent” but wasn’t acknowledged for saving it.)  😉

    #62154
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Capaldi on Xmas…

    David Bradley’s performance as William Hartnell:  ‘It’s a very kind, very, very gentle performance.’

    db

    #62155
    MissRori @missrori

    Okay, so — still no word on who the villain in this story is?  At this point, it has to be

    1. really big deal recurring villain (Daleks with or without Davros, next incarnation of the Master, Time Lords etc.)
    2. A generic one-off villain because Moffat and co. want to focus on the Doctors, following on from the general tradition of the Christmas shows (i.e. the Sycorax, the Racnoss, Max Capricorn, Mercy Hartigan, the Dream Crabs, King Hydroflax…)
    3. No villain at all and the Doctors are just trying to fix the frozen time problem, which perhaps turns out to be  caused by regeneration reluctance

    I think 3 would actually be the best for this particular concept, especially if it’s only an hour long, but that doesn’t fit with the synopsis bringing up “humanity’s resilience” or “darkest frozen moment” (which is rich to bring up after “Heaven Sent”, when nobody in the whole darned universe loved the Doctor enough to help him).

    Between that, the “Have you no emotions, sir?” line, the Moff discussing how evil can be logical, and the story taking place during/after Cybermen encounters depending on which Doctor’s perspective is looked at, I wouldn’t be surprised if this were also a Cyberman story.  However, just having Twelve defeat them again doesn’t really add anything to his story, so there must be something more to the threat — maybe a new character collaborating with them?

    Also, about the “embracing change” theme — I also brought this up over on the “The Doctor Falls” thread, but I think there’s a big thematic hole with regards to Bill.  Thanks to unhappy circumstance she had to become Cyber!Bill at some point to keep on living, but didn’t want to keep living if she couldn’t be herself and in the end she was restored to a better form of her old self.  But the Twelfth Doctor doesn’t want to keep living if he can’t be himself, yet the whole point of this special is getting him to embrace an unwanted, painful change that results in identity loss, to see the good in it.  This sounds like a thoughtless double standard.

    So…perhaps Bill will decide to become Cyber!Bill again in this special and choose to make the most of it as a good Cyberman, one free of the hive mind?  Realizing that she and the Doctor have been silly to resist change instead of embracing it.  And this example helps encourage Twelve to make his own scary change.  Who likes this idea?  🙂

    #62156
    MissRori @missrori

    Also, another theory about Christmas — Michelle Gomez confirmed that Missy won’t appear in this special, but that statement doesn’t rule out the next Master appearing.  So, perhaps they will appear, and to the Twelfth Doctor’s joy and rapture they are a good guy or girl now thanks to his efforts!  What a wonderful way to remind him that change can be embraced and good.  What do you think?

    #62157
    thane15 @thane15

    @missrori

    Thanks to unhappy circumstance she had to become Cyber!Bill at some point to keep on living, but didn’t want to keep living if she couldn’t be herself and in the end she was restored to a better form of her old self.  But the Twelfth Doctor doesn’t want to keep living if he can’t be himself, yet the whole point of this special is getting him to embrace an unwanted, painful change that results in identity loss, to see the good in it.  This sounds like a thoughtless double standard.

    You can accuse writers of a lot but “thoughtless” aint one of ’em. The Doctor keeps changing. Bill’s a human and wants to be with someone which she can’t be if she’s a machine.  Doc’s had his romance, kids, grandkids etc.

    So…perhaps Bill will decide to become Cyber!Bill again in this special and choose to make the most of it as a good Cyberman, one free of the hive mind?  Realizing that she and the Doctor have been silly to resist change instead of embracing it.  And this example helps encourage Twelve to make his own scary change.  Who likes this idea? 

    And I think the other Doctor, the other alien will  talk it over with himself.  Bill’s a mere human doomed to repeating herself over and over and understandably can’t help but resist change because all of us humans are like that sometime. Still, if she has Heather, which she probably does, then whether she ‘changes ‘ or not is redundant because either she’s happy and in love or she’s already changed and can’t change back hoping for some other result.

    So, perhaps they will appear, and to the Twelfth Doctor’s joy and rapture they are a good guy or girl now thanks to his efforts

    Considering Gomez, when asked, said “guid? I don’t think so!” then no. You need the Master as antagonist for balance :  a terrific villain otherwise= show collapse/we’re sucked into a black hole. But right now, they’re dead which I think was a hilarious way of dealing with the pair of sneaky two-shoes.

    I think 3 would actually be the best for this particular concept, especially if it’s only an hour long, but that doesn’t fit with the synopsis bringing up “humanity’s resilience” or “darkest frozen moment” (which is rich to bring up after “Heaven Sent”, when nobody in the whole darned universe loved the Doctor enough to help him).

    Oh absolutely. No-one (or is it no “it” if it’s a gender neutral species with several brains meaning “no-one” doesn’t work no more?) loves him/her or wants to help him/her. He wanders around on his own all the time with no-body or “no-it” to talk to so I reckon it’s a very sad thing for him too. But he’s plenty plucky and spunky.

    Cheers Thane15

    #62158
    thane15 @thane15

    Hot damn I tried to delete that entire post @missrori. So don’t read it. I don’t think there’s anything there that’s new and it is pretty long. I have to study some commerce. That, or watch the football.

    Cheers, T

    #62161
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    I somehow bodged the link in my last post…

    peter-capaldi-talks-final-episode

    db2

    #62162
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    This bit of the interview has been inexplicably removed…

    redacted

    #62163
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @wolfweed

    Probably Steven Moffat didn’t want his tweaks to be categorised as ‘haven’t finished the script’, or alternatively, rather than tweaks, there were lines that couldn’t be spoken until Jodie Whittaker was official.

    It may be also be some massive reveal that they want kept secret as late as possible. If I remember correctly, the Missy reveal was filmed on location, but the dialogue itself was ADR’d later. Given that Peter now can’t be fired for talking out of turn in an interview 🙂 it’s possible it’s even being kept secret from him.

    #62167
    MissRori @missrori

    @thane15 No problem Thane.  🙂  I like considering what you have to say.  But I’m not sure Who couldn’t survive without the Master as an arch enemy. I know there are fans who would appreciate older enemies like the Valeyard returning…maybe somebody like that could take over for a few seasons?  😀

    #62168
    MissRori @missrori

    Also…the Twelfth Doctor hoped for stars when he (almost) died.  So logically he at least needs to get his stars when he regenerates, but then he can’t be inside the Tardis for that because he can’t see stars from in there.  So where might he become she instead?  Something to think about!

    #62169
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Rumour going around tonight that James Buckley is a srs 11 companion…

    jb

    #62172
    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    Had to google him.

    I’m none the wiser.

    #62184
    janetteB @janetteb

    Never seen him in anything but he looks more like it..
    Cheers
    Janette

    #62187
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Yesterday’s rumour was the return of Matt Smith’s 11th Dr at Xmas. Would that delight you or Pee You Off?

    Makes sense as it’s Moffat’s other Doctor (Rounding off an era not just a Doctor). If his Deep Breath appearance was considered a ‘Gatecrash’, what will this one be like (If true)?

    #62188
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @wolfweed

    It would depend how it was done. If you remember, Capaldi was in the 50th Anniversary episode (as was the First) and Moffat has never yet explained why that future Doctor appeared to help save Gallifrey. He explained the past Doctors, but never why it needed Capaldi Doc to complete the calculations. He just had him doing an awful lot of maths in his first series. 🙂

    So if we see the Smith Doctor in the 50th Anniversary from Capaldi Doc’s side, so to speak, as Capaldi Doc joins all the earlier Doctors to try to save Gallifrey, that would be fine. The circle is complete; Capaldi Doc’s first appearance is also his last.

    #62194
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    A much better version of PETER CAPALDI’S LAST PANEL as the Doctor at NYCC (The original, you might say) Also it’s rippable…

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