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    Craig @craig

    And so we reach the end of both Russell’s and David’s tenures. And once again, Russell throws the kitchen sink at it – the Master, Timelords, another chance to see all the companions, and the wonderful Wilf! There’s a lot wrong with this finale, but there’s also a lot that’s really great, so I’m not going to make any complaints. I’ll leave that up to the rest of you. 🙂 They both went out with a big, beautiful bang.

    Facing his mortality, the Doctor returns to Earth find the planet’s population haunted by horrific nightmares. Reuniting with Wilf, he investigates a lingering mystery that threatens to unravel the planet as an old enemy is reborn. Only the Doctor stands between the age of order and the time of chaos… and only one song remains to be sung…

    Arbutus @arbutus

    @craig sums this up well:  There’s a lot wrong with this finale, but there’s also a lot that’s really great.  I felt that the beginning and ending were the weakest parts, with a fair bit of pretty good stuff in between. For me, one of the chief problems is that the great bits don’t really hang together, to create a cohesive great whole. Way too much crammed in, too many sharp turns between goofy and intense, and some plot points really don’t make a lot of sense.

    On the plus side, every moment of Wilf is awesome. I liked John Simm’s Master better than in his previous outing, as there was more intensity and less goofiness this time, and the one-on-one scenes with the Doctor were quite good. In general, the intimate moments work really well in here. And it was fun to see Donna again. Notably, this episode gave the me the one moment where I really warmed up to Sylvia Noble:

    Donna: “Are you shouting at thin air?”     Sylvia: “Yes… Possibly… Yes.”

    Okay, the ending. In a nutshell, I wish that the whole “fear of dying” subplot could be expunged right out of DW, the Doctor fixing up Captain Jack just felt strange, and Martha in a shootout with a Sontaran? The only time during that whole epilogue that I truly felt moved was when the Doctor said his final farewell to the Noble family. Did I say that Wilf was awesome? But on the whole, Eleven dropping his bow tie to the ground and going out with a smile felt far sadder for me than what went on here… interesting really, in light of the common view that RTD handled emotions better than SM.

    One final thought occurs. As I have said on here many a time, I’m easily entertained, and not terribly critical most of the time. I really enjoy the AG show. But it is true of modern television in general, that it’s always trying to make me cry! It’s rather nice, sometimes, to just be entertained, and I’m starting to feel really hopeful that there will be more of that in the near future.  🙂

    janetteB @janetteb

    We attempted to rewatch these episodes a couple of months ago and did not make it past the first few minutes so I really appreciate your review @arbutus though I am still not inspired to rewatch them, (as I was after reading your remarks about “Waters of Mars”.)

    Wilf and Donna are always worth watching but I am afraid the negatives far outweigh the positives in this story for me which is a shame because I really liked DT as the Doctor but I find his final moments unwatchable. He deserved so much better than this. I love Matt’s final moment. (Have rewatched The Time of the Doctor twice in the past week, once alone and again with family in preparation for Sunday) It has the right degree of pathos for someone who is not dying, just renewing and as he so correctly observes we all change every day. Change is a condition of life. DT’s final moments ramp up the emotion to maudlin and for a man who has already had ten or eleven lives, it is excessive.

    Doctor Who is at its’ best when it delivers as many (or more) laughs as tears. I am with you @arbutus on hoping that there will be no shortage of laughs this season.



    cybrdragon @cybrdragon

    Wasn’t the acting really good during the rant and during the final moments, though?  The more I watch the ranting at Wilf, the more I feel I understand the Tenth Doctor.  Along with David Tennant’s comments in the Confidential show for these episodes, I am able to see that it was fitting for this particular Doctor who was the most human, with such human emotions and such a love of living.  To him it was like a death, as he explained to Wilf in the cafe earlier.  As hard as it is emotionally for me, it was harder for the character of the Doctor (and also for DT), and I don’t mind a little self-indulgence on his part as he expresses who he really is with all his doubts and fears, knowing in the back of my mind that he will always give himself for someone else in the end.

    Sorry, I am only on the second Matt Smith season right now, and still not over the loss of the Tenth Doctor.  I came late to the show and am greatly affected by it so far.

    CourtK0027 @courtk0027

    I guess I’m one of the few that really liked this episode 🙁

    But I do have two questions… The answers may be obvious and I’m just oblivious, but:

    1) What happened to the Master?? My bf says that it’s obvious that he went back with the other Time Lords BUT with the most recent episode coming out, that would lead us to believe otherwise… So where did he go??

    2) Since the drumming in his head was essentially caused by the events that happened in order to link the Time Lords with Earth, does he/she still hear the drums?

    BadWulf @badwulf

    @courtk0027 What happened to the Master?

    I don’t know how familiar with BG episodes you are, but the Master has a history of apparently dying, and then reappearing in a later story with no explanation of how he escaped. The guy was vaped by the Daleks at one point, and still managed to survive!

    Since the drumming in his head was essentially caused by the events that happened in order to link the Time Lords with Earth, does he/she still hear the drums?

    Unknown – but since the sound of drums was only introduced by RTD in the episode of the same name, it has not been an integral part of the character for long, and again, might be ignored from now on.

    Other aspects of the Master that have been dropped (that can seem as almost defining to his character) are:

    • The Tissue Compression Eliminator, which kills people by squeezing their bodies until they are the size of an action figure
    • The awesome goatee beard
    DrBen @drben

    Not to mention that weird thing in the TV Movie where he’s basically a snake who can possess people.

    CourtK0027 @courtk0027

    I’ve been watching classic Doctor Who on amazon prime, netflix, and I’ve downloaded the episodes/seasons missing.  Speaking of, why is that??  Like on netflix, entire seasons are missing!  I’ve been watching all that I can, but I feel a bit like a virtual River Song watching the Doctor out of order :/ which is more than just a little confusing, to say the least.  I want to watch them in order (without spending $200+ on the DVD complete series… Which I might just have to give in and do lol). Was there ever a complete collection on VHS?  I bet it would be a fraction of the price and after all, I just want to watch them!  And in chronological order lol

    thanks for all the info guys 🙂 greatly appreciated!

    Any further enlightening would be wonderful as well 🙂 I am American and 27; so needless to say, I was not raised in a time or place where Doctor Who was an icon or cultural past time… Unfortunately lol

    nerys @nerys

    I actually did love this episode, a very poignant sendoff to Tennant’s Doctor. I just came across this interview with Timothy Dalton (and I hope I am posting it in the correct thread; if not, then mod please feel free to move it). In it he discusses his role on Doctor Who, among many, many things.

    Major33 @major33

    A question for any and everyone, which will seem odd on the surface.

    Why did David’s doctor regenerate into the 11th? I know it is to lead to the next obviously, but the way it happened.

    I ask given he died from the radiation from the booth when he stepped in to replace Doona’s grandfather, yet he previously showed this ability to absorb radiation and channel it into his shoe from the episode on the moon with Martha when he absorbed the radiation from the MRI machine.

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    Ah, the old “absorb the radiation into the shoe” conundrum.

    It’s not a trick or power that any other Doctor has demonstrated, although a couple of them have claimed a higher tolerance to radiation than mere mortals. It’s also worth pointing out that the Third Doctor suffered radiation poisoning which led him to regenerate.

    Ten specifically mentions Roentgen radiation in Smith and Jones (that’s what we technically call the “arse end” of the electromagnetic spectrum – x-rays, gamma waves and cosmic rays). That doesn’t include things like Beta particles which are high energy electrons with are both penetrative (unlike alpha, which your skin absorbs) and more likely to damage tissue. There are also a number of fictional radiations in the Whoniverse.

    So you could say it was the wrong sort of radiation. Or perhaps the dose was more than a shoe could take?

    Or you could say that the Doctor, being an inveterate bullshiter on occasion, was out to impress a potential new candidate for the open position of companion? He was in no danger from that particular dose in Smith and Jones, knew it, and decided to go for “Odd”.

    Major33 @major33


    thanks for the insight.

    im not really familiar with the details of various radiations beyond the names of a few. I thought both would be deadly to humans, so as you pointed out, if the first was him showing off a bit, if only he had of worn larger shoes then he would of been saved etc. even though I loved how he got his reward by going to the various times to save the others and give the gift to Doona, but given he had so much time to allow him do that added to my thoughts that he could of saved himself.


    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @phaseshift – I go for ‘inveterate bullshitter’. 😉 Or as the Tennant Doctor himself admitted:

    No idea, I just made it up. Didn’t want to say “Magic Door”

    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord


    I go for ‘inveterate bullshitter’

    It’s brilliant that we watch a show that we can use that term endearingly for our hero, isn’t it? I agree, 10 in full bullshit mode.


    I actually know a kid who followed up the Roentgen link on his computer and learned about safe doses for X-Rays and much more.

    Doctor Who can still spark a line of enquiry for the interested. Dose in radiation is key. Someone who lives in Aberdeen will soak up a natural dose from the granite beneath their feet to set alarms off in a nuclear power plant.

    You, youself, are a gamma emitor. The potassium that lines your nervous system contains potassium 40. Approx 4000 disintigrations of this occur per day. The disintigration of potassium 40 releases a beta plus particle. A positron, Yer actual antimatter. It annihalates in the body to produce gamma rays you shoot at other people.

    The universe is truly bizarre and strange. The Doctor could never stop running could he?

    ichabod @ichabod

    @phaseshift  What??!!!  Shooting gamma rays — !  Bizarre and strange barely begin to describe it . . . is there a type of bedrock that doesn’t irradiate us?  I have read that building bricks are supposed to be significant emitors, but I’ve gotten the sense that pretty much everything is, one way or another, which means that beings living closer to the more concentrated groups of stars and planets can be expected to be “armored” in form, more or less like Earth’s beetles, to withstand the constant heavy bombardment of radiation.  Out here in the galactic boonies, not so much . . .?

    tommo @tommo

    @cybrdragon – i’m totally with you there mate.

    Rewvian @rewvian

    The End of Time found a way to beautifully wrap up the story of the Tenth Doctor, and the journey that began in 2005.  What begins as an attempt to cheat his fate becomes another mission to save humanity.

    The Master is back, in a somewhat undead state.  Needing to feed on other people, and controlling electricity, he is a bit much in these episodes at times.  This is especially true when he is able to jump 100 ft into the air.

    He succeeds in this elaborate plot to program a machine to transform every human on Earth into the Master – his Master Race.  Only spared are Donna Noble (part Time Lord) and her grandfather Wilf, who’s protected from the machine’s effects while in a square cubicle.

    The Time Lords are the real antagonist this time around, having been changed by the Time War and seeking to command Time as beings of pure energy.  They sent out a signal in the Master’s brain eons ago, and use that link to escape the Time War and return.

    The episode features some interesting revelations; there may be some connection between the Time Lords and the Weeping Angels of Old, Alonzo from Voyage of the Damned is into Captain Jack, The Doctor may have defiled the Good Queen Bess, and the Doctor’s mother may be alive and well.

    I think they probably had a lot of fun making the whole alien bar scene with Jack, bringing back a mixture of alien costumes for at least one last moment.  The Ood were also featured prominently in the finale, singing a song for the Doctor.

    Ultimately, the Doctor survives his entire ordeal with the Master and Rassilon (who is wonderfully played by Timothy Dalton), only to be forced to sacrifice his life to free Wilf from the cubicle – where intense nuclear radiation is about to be released.

    The Doctor still has plenty of time to say last goodbyes to his companions, visiting them all across space.  He even goes back in time to see Rose once more.

    Our regeneration episode is so powerful this time around, as the absorbed nuclear energy strikes the TARDIS and topples parts of it.  And the Doctor’s final words before his intense transformation are likely to have an emotional impact.

    Perhaps the only bone I have to pick with this episode is how it names President Obama directly.  All of the Prime Ministers in the series were fictional, so it seemed a bit biased to mention the real-world president.  But the moment doesn’t detract too much from the Tenth Doctors’ final moments,  or the second half much at all.

    I said the season 4 finale was the goodbye for the companions, and this special was the goodbye for the Tenth Doctor.  That was an accurate description.  As Russel T Davies signed off, he closed all major plot holes and left the house tidy for its new residents.  It truly was a movie-length extravaganza.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @rewvian Oh yes, that was a pretty good episode now I recall it.
    The voice-over was impressive – a very authoritative sounding voice. And the reveal of the narrator as Timothy Dalton (as Lord President) was no less impressive. I thought he was more imposing as Lord President than he was as James Bond.

    I hadn’t realised that The Moment (the weapon in Day of the Doctor) originated in this episode – from’s synopsis: “On a devastated Gallifrey, on the last day of the Time War, the Time Lord Council reports that the Doctor still possesses “the Moment”. They have foreseen that he will use it to end the war by destroying the Daleks and Gallifrey alike.”

    I thought poor mad Lucy acquitted herself well in destroying the Master at the start.

    But I thought Wilf and his old folks’ intelligence network was pretty weak.

    The spiky green Vinvocci were fun, specially Addams (Sinead Keenan), I loved her exasperated sarcasm. But I have ‘reality’ problems with the Vinvocci ship – if it’s 100,000 miles out in orbit, how on earth is it at risk from the Master’s earth-based missiles? And how long would it take to fly the Doctor back to Earth? I can’t help feeling the missile attack was just a pretext to give Wilf something useful to do. And the Doctor crashing back to Earth through the glass roof smack onto a stone floor – howcome he was in one piece, let alone alive, after that?

    The final confrontation between the Doctor, the Master and the Time Lords was very well-staged and extremely dramatic. As was the Doctor and the Master collaborating to defeat Rassilon. Any time you have a three-way confrontation you get an interesting situation of shifting allegiances and this one was a classic.

    And then, all resolved, and Wilf has to go and get himself trapped. I am not a fan of Wilf, he’s a liability not an asset. (The only times he’s been useful are weak and contrived). And in this case, a fatal liability. But also, I suppose, a necessary plot contrivance.

    Anyway, pretty good episode, I think I’m going to have to jump back three eps and re-watch.

    Rewvian @rewvian


    I don’t recall if the term Moment was used or not, but the Time Lords did mention how the Doctor would take out the Time Lords and the Daleks to end the war.

    I also thought it was farfetched having the Doc jump from the spaceship through that glass ceiling and land on the hard floor.

    The old people did manage to track down the Doctor pretty fast.  But they just missed bumping into the Master.  Wilf just wanted to save the guy who was already in the cubicle, but yeah he did become a liability.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @rewvian Easy way to find out. One simply goes to Chrissie’s transcripts site at and does a word search in the relevant episode, and (in Part 2) here it is:

    ‘PARTISAN: (a woman) But we know his intention. He still possesses the Moment, and he’ll use it to destroy Daleks and Time Lords alike.’

    Okay, so that’s cheating 🙂 Of course the Moment meant nothing to me at the time. Kudos to the Moff for picking up on that one.

    I think Who fans are extremely lucky to have two such great resources as and When I’m watching a new episode I frequently have the transcript open in my laptop, because I’m not very good at making out spoken dialogue if it’s rapid or there are other noises going on, so the transcript helps me to catch the bits I missed.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @rewvian Okay, so I just re-watched Part 1 (Part 2 tomorrow). Part 1 was – okay. I think mostly build-up for Part 2.

    I do agree re the mentions of President Obama, I found them disconcerting. I’m usually uneasy about characterisations of actual people, even when they’re dead. I would rather a fictional generic US President had been used. Two episodes ahead there is, of course, Victory of the Daleks featuring Winston Churchill, and I’m a bit uneasy about that one too.

    And as you noted, the Master does seem to have acquired some superpowers, I don’t know if that’s canon. But his powers don’t seem to include detecting a helicopter about to capture him (unless he knows and is playing along with it, but I see no indication of that in this episode).

    Rewvian @rewvian


    I always figured these powers came from the Master’s botched revival.  His need to consume people as well as the superhuman jumping and electrical surges seem to all stem from this energy dependency his body has since he is kind of undead.  I wonder if any of the Master Race had this problem, but apparently not.  Who could they even consume?

    I recall the Winston Churchill appearance, but it has been a while since I saw it last.  I can’t remember how I felt about it.  I guess with historical figures who are no longer involved with current events maybe it isn’t as immersion-breaking as it is with current leaders.  It’s still always weird though.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @rewvian Yes, that’s a pretty good explanation of the Master’s superpowers – due to his explosive revival. That works, thanks for that.

    I just watched Part 2. I’d remembered the good bit – the final confrontation between the Doctor, the Master, and Rassilon. That was really well-staged and tense. I’d forgotten the slow bits.

    The surprise of the Vinvocci – Addams and Rossiter – saving the Doctor was just that, a complete surprise. Why would they? – no idea. But it saves the Doctor so I won’t question it.

    The Vinvocci ship, at 105,000 miles out – why so far? (The International Space Station is 250 miles). That’s a heck of a long-range teleport. And then, when the Doctor launches the ship towards Earth, howcome it gets there almost immediately? It must move incredibly fast. And after being pursued across the ocean by missiles, all of which get shot down (I think this was just a pretext to give Wilf something to do), it slows right down to let the Doctor jump out and fall through the roof of Mansion Naismith – which he survives, how? And then the ship lands (off screen) to disembark Wilf. The Master commands the entire Earth’s military to shoot it down yet after the missiles fail, apparently has lost all interest in the ship – howcome?

    As I said, Doctor vs Master vs Rassilon was a memorable confrontation, I genuinely couldn’t guess who would shoot who and the balance of power was visibly shifting from moment to moment. I found it very satisfying when the Master chose to take out Rassilon rather than the Doctor.

    Only thing is, that was 22 minutes before the end and the remainder was, as far as I’m concerned, an anti-climax. Including Wilf getting himself needlessly trapped and the Doctor having to sacrifice himself to save him. Yeah I know this was just a plot device.

    It was nice to see Martha again BUT – she started as a young and capable doctor. She finished as a mercenary guerilla, married to Rose’s useless ex-boyfriend Mickey. This is not an improvement.

    Seeing Rose again – before she first met the Doctor – now that was delightful and a nice nod to how the (new) series started.

    Overall there were a lot of slow bits in this double episode. Particularly the Doctor having meaningful conversations with Wilf. The highlights were the appearances of the Master, and Rassilon. If it was down to me (and I was compiling a version for an audience of me) I would just edit Wilf out completely, along with the missile sequence, and tighten up a lot on some of the other slow bits. The Vinvocci could have teleported the Doctor back to Mansion Naismith, which would have got around the problem of the 105,000 miles and the Doctor’s impossible leap through the roof. The Doctor’s impending end could have come as a result of a stray shot from Rassilon’s glove. Then I’d have about a much more tightly-paced single 90-minute episode. (Of course that would not have satisfied the Beeb’s need for a double episode. Just as well I’m not the showrunner, then, isn’t it?)

    VickyMallard @vickymallard

    So this is it. The end of an era. I am so overwhelmed right now that I can’t really recapture much of anything. The Master was never one of my favourite villains though. So I focused on everything else, and boy, once again they seemed to have brought everyone back! (I guess they filmed those scenes together with the DoctorDonna episode?) We went back to the Ood sphere. We saw the green “counterparts” to Bannacaffalatta from Voyage of the Damned. Martha and Micky, married (I still wonder what happened to that paediatrician…). Sarah Jane and her son. The descendent of Joan the matron. Captain Jack and Midshipman Frame, in a bar with the rhinos and the fishbubble aliens from the Doctor’s daughter and an Adipose! (And possibly many more I don’t remember or didn’t recognise). Rose and Jackie. Donna and her mum. And of course Wilf, so much Wilf. He made me so happy during this episode, and at the same time he almost made me cry. He is so truly wonderful had such great moments with the Doctor.

    And timelords. Oodles of them – not sure if we’ve met them before, possibly, but for me this was the first time. I didn’t even know they still existed, I always thought the Doctor was the only one left. So once there was a time war and now Gallifrey and all timelords except the Doctor (and the Master, apparently) are imprisoned (?) somewhere outside of time and space, or something like that, at least somewhere where they can’t do any harm to anyone else. I guess I’ll find out more eventually. And I have to be honest, I didn’t really understand what happened during the climax here. The Master, realising that his plans have failed, sacrifices himself so Rassillon kills him instead of the Doctor and the connection closes. Gallifrey disappears from the sky again. (Slight anachronism here: Earth is apparently so happy about this that forsythia bushes are in full bloom – in December?!). But where did it go? Back to that time pocket or where/whenever it was before? I didn’t really understand that bit. Or was it destroyed? Can it come back? That female timelord that had eye contact with the Doctor – was she his mother? Or a younger version of that seer lady scribbling on the parchment? If I am not mistaken, she was the one who appeared to Wilf all the time, right? (At first I thought that was a reincarnation of Harriet Jones, late Prime Minister…)

    When the Doctor and Wilf landed the Tardis in Joshua Nesmith’s estate, I was a bit confused at first, because it looked pretty much like that horse stable in The Next Doctor, so for a moment I thought he had gone back a lot further than I expected! (Or maybe another horse stable previously used by Ten for Tardis parking, but I’m fairly sure we’ve seen it before).

    I couldn’t help but sadly smile when the Doctor jumped to crashland through the glass ceiling (excellent plan, please do not try this at home), as I think that “dangling on wires” bit was the last scene David filmed during his regular run. I had seen footage of it before and was wondering whether I would spot it in the final episode. Not sure if this was really it, but it looked close enough.

    Well, there was so much more… I will have to rewatch this, I guess. I possibly will rewatch every single episode at some point. But this is it. This is the end of the Tenth Doctor. No more unknown adventures with that incarnation, and I will have to face the fact that yes, there are other Doctors out there, too. And they will be good. Even if they do not look like David Tennant. I guess my next stop will be The Church on Ruby Road…

    winston @winston

    @vickymallard You are suffering from regeneration shock and it is terrible to lose your favourite Doctor.I loved the tenth Doctor too. I think you will also love the 11th Doctor he is a blast!

    Stay safe

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @vickymallard Just responding to a few of your comments. The Master – I though he became a lot more interesting when Moffatt wrote him (as compared to Russell T Davies). Especially in one of his other incarnations and I won’t spoil by saying which one 🙂

    I did like the green spiky people, specially the sarcastic female one. Sinead Keenan – sarcastic Irishwomen are great.

    And the Timelords were impressive. Specially Rassilon (Timothy Dalton). I’m probably not spoiling too much if I say that Gallifrey was (as you surmise) locked away in a bubble of its own. (I’ve just remembered that – in Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy – that the xenocidal inhabitants of the planet Krikkit and their lethal robots were locked away in a Slo-time envelope until the end of the Universe. Nothing is ever new, every idea in sci-fi has been thought of by someone else earlier).

    The Doctor crashing through the ceiling was one of those awkward ‘reality’ moments where my skepticism peaked – how did the Doc aim so accurately, and howcome he wasn’t splatted like a pancake when he hit that hard stone floor? (And if the Vinvocci dropped Wilf off somewhere nearby howcome they didn’t do the same for the Doc?) That bothered me more than the bus in Planet of the Dead. Dramatic license, I guess.

    There seemed to be some sort of link between The Master and Rassilon, sustained by the Gate. I don’t quite follow how it all worked.

    I did groan when the Doctor, having survived all this, was undone by Wilf. I found the last 20 minutes a bit of an anticlimax, actually, though I can see why it was there, RTD saying au revoir to all his characters. But I could have done without Martha ending up with Mickey. I would have liked to see Jenny, the Doctor’s daughter, again though.

    ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u

    @dentarthurdent @vickymallard

    No. The jump from Vinvocci ship wasn’t great. I suppose the glass ceiling slowed him up, and he’s been around so long that by then, like Ashildr, he’s become brilliant at Crazy Stuff that should kill you. And we know he’ll regenerate soon.

    One Vinvocci is a very funny man from the Horrible Histories team. The other was a Werewolf in Being Human (alongside midshipman Frame). They’re one reason I watch this every Christmas.

    Then there’s John Simm. Not everybody’s cup of tea but I’ve previously expressed my admiration for ‘I like you. You’d taste great!’ and ‘No no no. You’re not going to THINK like me. You’re going to BE me!’

    And that cliff hanger! Wow!

    The problems?

    The big jump maybe. Never sure about voice overs and exposition… then realised RTD was doing his own nine sermons and carols. He really doesn’t like Christmas. People eat too much. It’s commercialised. And it never snows. And someone will get bloody self important sooner or later, if not accidentally spit in your face. This time it’s Rassilon who’s rocked up with his own brand new ‘fighting’ hand (7 nicked the other one).

    But maybe the voice over isn’t too bad in this case: better than the end of Family of Blood or Time of the Doctor. And at least the voice spouting off doesn’t belong to The Master (yes Timeless Children talkin bout you).

    In fact the one thing I really can’t face is the ‘Broadfell’ explosion. We know you like camp Russ but… uhh really?? The ‘chuck the white point star across the universe while the doctor does silent running’ was a bit of a yawn. The Visionary is ridiculous but a homage to The Ribos Operation I suppose. I laughed.

    It kind of holds together and we know RTD likes to take the mick. And so I watch it every year.

    And the more I watch it the more I notice 10’s glance at Donna when Wilf asks ‘who was the woman.’ I know RTD denies it but that’s spoilers; what else is he going to say?

    ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u

    Of course the ‘Hand’ taken by 7 was Omega’s, not Rassilon’s. This also effects my comment on Hell Bent.

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