• Mersey replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @CountScarlioni

    This is a beautiful idea. For me the problem with Doctor-Clara relationship is that that we have so many layers of it that we could not distinguish which is which. It all changed so much that it’s hard to tell what kind of people they are now.

    I don’t know if someone have mentioned that already but the Beethoven’s 5th symphony is…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @CountScarlioni

    Maybe he read her journals? They are coming out with a Ashildr book.
    Maybe he found it at Waterstones and put it in his own book? But really – probably not 😉
    Another “anacronism’. I have the Gladwell book ‘Blink’ and I read thru about half of it.
    But I do like the way his mind works. He has some massively interesting ideas.

  • Mersey replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @countscarlioni @purofilion

    Doctor already lost Amy and governess-Clara. And he was really devastated by their deaths. I don’t know if Moffat want to stake on the same card. But maybe 12th can cope with her loss much more better than 11th. He is a very ambiguous charater in case of feelings. He couldn’t understand the feelings of the crew who…[Read more]

  • django replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @countscarlioni

    Why is calling for a cocktail such a huge crime? It’s not that anachronistic. The first recorded use was in 1798, only 150 years later and it’s perfectly possible that the word was in popular usage before this record was written.

  • nerys replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @countscarlioni I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe the reason we’re seeing and hearing these anachronisms is because Ashildr has been traveling up and down her time line. And here’s a good argument for Missy entering the picture. The Doctor refused to take Ashildr along with him. Wouldn’t that be the very thing Missy might seize upon?…[Read more]

  • @countscarlioni

    “offed” not “offered” … 🙂

    Ellie’s death has never been explained, as far as I recall.

  • ichabod replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @jphamlore  I think that Missy and Ashildr’s plan is to put Clara into hell, the Nethersphere, and dare the Doctor to try and get her back, possibly at the cost of his life.

    @sirclockface  We never see Clara leave the dalek in S9E2 but we see Capaldi say “I’m sorry” exactly like how Tennant would say it before someone would die. We see her at th…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic The Woman Who Lived

    @JimTheFish, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, but I agree that it wasn’t a patch on the preceding episode, and it was mostly the arc-related aspects that were memorable.

    @winston   It’s a good point about the notion of “pets”. We automatically take that as a belittlement, and of course it is in a sense. But having just lost a cat that lived wit…[Read more]

  • @winston @countscarlioni

    Learn to C&P guys 😉

    I’m not sure what it means, but it intrigues me. Couldn’t help thinking of Sarah Jane.

    @plainolddave

    Yes, the Doctor definitely works better when he is a sociopath incapable of empathy and caring.

    Oh, wait… no he doesn’t.

  • jphamlore replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @countscarlioni: Great catch on the line “Time will tell,” from the Seventh Doctor serial Remembrance of the Daleks.

    One of my pet theories for this season is that the Hand of Omega or some renamed equivalent makes an appearance to create a new black hole out of the relatively nearby-to-Earth red giant Betelgeuse, so I am hoping this reference is…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @countscarlioni

    When I watched the episode, I was struck by Clara’s wording: “I think she deserved it”.

    That seems to me to have rather negative implications. As opposed, say, to “I think she earned it”.

    Not sure I have a point to make, beyond the fact that the phrase seemed rather strange in the context.

     

  • ichabod replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @arbutus  It occurs to me to wonder how people can dismiss Doctor Who as “just a kid’s show” when it can inspire a conversation like this one! From plot points to “what is art” in a few posts. Nice.

    The dismissors are crying down something that they themselves only understand on a surface level (if that) because knowing that there *are* conv…[Read more]

  • ichabod replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @countscarlioni  Ashildr also seems problematical: she has brought her village bad luck

    But has she?  Her father says, she thinks that every bad thing that happens to this village is because of her; and the villagers don’t react to her the way small communities tend to react to people singled out as bad luck — just the opposite.  That bit doe…[Read more]

  • Rob replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    Post #44963 @PhaseShift and @purofilion and @Arbutus and @Bluesqueakpip and @Ichabod and @CountScarlioni Yup loved the Third Doctor reference to reversing the polarity (plus @ anyone else who squeed at it too 😀 )

    Welcome @Starla

    Not sure what to add (perhaps could point out that the Normans were Norsemen so we are still living with the…[Read more]

  • ichabod replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @countscarlioni   if he gives her the chip, Clara too has the potential to become another destructive tidal wave. The Doctor, as he shouts at the end of The Girl Who Died, can do anything, but here he grasps, after Ashildr has hugely sharpened his understanding of this, he shouldn’t save Clara. No wonder the Doctor has to go off by hi…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @countscarlioni

    To follow-up the point on the Doctor’s trousers (which I believe are supposed to be Troughton era trousers-see below the bit from the Radio Times in August), Peter Capaldi has directed us to “specific trouser things that happen for specific reasons” in the series (unless he’s joking!?). Why, then, point us at the Troughton era for…

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  • bendubz11 replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @CountScarlioni @ozitenor A link to an episode including Medusa? Multiple snakes already this series? On running theme of people dying but not dying? A pill to make people immortal/ A lengthy explanation of bootstrap paradoxes? The continuous references to tarot, coupled with what a snake card means? Anyone else thinking what I’m thinking???

  • Mirime replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    Waters of Mars seemed in play too

    @countscarlioni glad you saw that too 🙂

    The existence of technology that can grant near immortality with such a simple procedure as implanting a chip makes ZERO sense whatsoever, and some way needs to be found to expunge this from the Dr. Who universe.

    @jphamlore what about the nanogenes in The Doctor Dances/The…[Read more]

  • ichabod replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    @winston   I also have a feeling that there is no original Clara just Claracles and the Doctor knows that. But I am usually wrong.

    Or not . . . good grief, can you imagine finding out that you are a bootstrap paradox and have not beginning and no end?  WHAT?!!!!

    @purofilion   It was such an internalised piece, made into external reflection wi…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic The Girl Who Died

    Lots of great reflections on the board (of course). And not everyone agrees with each other—sorry, @cumquat!

    Agree with @countscarlioni that this was a very deep episode lying beneath a seemingly-lighthearted romp. And it is for this reason that I liked this episode so much more than last week, when I felt that Whithouse was saying: “Look at how…[Read more]

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