• BadWulf commented on the post, Masterspotting

    @JimTheFish You have a point…

  • ScaryB replied to the topic On The Sofa (5)

    Re the Graun blog…

    @Blenkinsopthebrave Ah, you’re just a cynical old Whovian. Has the Doctor taught you nothing??? Nothing is beyond redemption!! Even Dr Who blogs.  This Forum started over there, not just as a reaction to the trolling, but also because we wanted somewhere to continue the discussions when it was “off air”. And because a number…[Read more]

  • PhaseShift wrote a new post, Masterspotting

    The end of a series which has seen the latest actor to grace the part of the Master. Time for me to answer the question literally no-one has been asking. Where does Michelle Gomez fit into my personal rankings of Masters? Yes – I can’t see the end of the series without another one of my personal lists.

    These are my own rankings, but what about yours? Please feel free to share your opinions on the great man/woman.

    7. #5 Eric Roberts (8th Doctor Movie)

    Eric’s performance has been said to be “Cartoon terrible”. This isn’t my opinion, it’s actually Eric himself. You really do have to admire the man for self awareness. Honestly – I’ve seen him in a few things and don’t think he’s a bad actor, but the Director said he wanted it “big”, he’d heard the old show could be a bit camp and pitched it at pure panto, as imagined by someone who had only heard of panto vaguely. Sometimes I watch and laugh along with it. Most times I just think “Oh, dear”.

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    Apparently he could survive Dalek extermination. His remains were delivered to the Doctor by the Daleks (unusually accommodating of them), only to emerge in snake form and take over people. No – me neither. Terrance Dicks gamely tried to write a loose semblance of a narrative over these events in the novel The Eight Doctors. Bit of a lost cause that one Terrance.

    6. #7 John Simm (Utopia, Last of the Time Lords, End of Time)

    Love Simm as an actor. Genuinely engaging in virtually everything I’ve seen him in. I don’t think his Master worked, and I think it was a fundamental error in writing. Again – why ask a good character actor to amp it up and play an infant on a sugar-rush?

    Don’t get me wrong, there are some good scenes, and moments of calm lunacy which I do get (the scene as he taps out his drumbeat, staring into space after murdering the cabinet is fantastic). It really is just the scenes directly opposed to the Doctor. When you imagine the ghost of Anthony Ainley saying “Tone it down a notch, love”, you know there is something wrong. I heard that far two many times. I’m afraid the ghost of Heath Ledger’s Joker loom’s large in this one.

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    OK – You will yourself to Death to circumnavigate regeneration. Your body is cremated (“Don’t cremate me”) and here you come, back from the dead. Summoned in a Black Magic ceremony by a ring and the blood of your ex. By a group of butch prison wardens who looked like they’ve been imported from Prisoner Cell Block H. No – me neither.

    And people complain about a moon-egg!!

    5. #4 Anthony Ainley (Fourth to Seventh Doctors)

    Where do you start with Ainley? I’ll start with a quote from @JimTheFish where he questioned “why the hell would the Master want to regenerate as the same character!!”. Just because it made me laugh. Because with the variability of the Doctors appearance, the Masters first visibly human “rejuvenation” (because it wasn’t technically regeneration) with Black hair, groomed goatee must show a lack of imagination?

    Ainley put in some variable performance as the Master in a variable period of the shows history. He’s the writers and Directors bitch, let’s be honest. Other Masters had the benefit of playing against one Doctor to a strict code enforced by a single script editor/Lead writer. He didn’t.

    “You want camp – I can do camp. You want character work? OK – let’s talk.”

    Watch him in Mark of the Rani (which I find appalling) and he’s written as a melodrama loving buffoon. Watch him in The Five Doctors, Logopolis, Castrovalva and Survival and I think you can see the better aspects of his work.

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    Where the hell do you start? Ainley was the Master (chortle) of the sudden return from certain death. Trapped in a collapsing temporal incursion? No problem. Beamed without a TARDIS to an alien world to be the plaything of an alien race? See you next week. Incinerated in the fire from a volcano? Just a flesh wound. The man would baffle Houdini his miraculous escape routines.

    4. #2 Peter Pratt (Deadly assassin) #3 Geoffrey Beevers (Keeper of Traken)

    A lot of our knowledge of regeneration and its limits came from this period as the Master regenerates beyond thirteen and the results are horrific. Twisted and distorted, only hatred and bitterness give him the will to continue, and seek to extend his life by whatever means.

    I think Pratt and Beevers both do a good job, hampered somewhat by the prosthetics of the time. I’ve often wondered if JK Rowling (who was a bit of a Doctor Who fan when young) saw Deadly Assassin and it ingrained subconsciously on her. Compare the Master of this period and the position of Voldermort in the early Harry Potter books and there are some similarities, with them jointly sharing dialogue about living a half life, having gone further than any other, etc.

    The one thing that they suffer from is a lack of obvious charm and being so serious. But against the fourth Doctor, perhaps that was the point?

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    Well – get into that state is the obvious question. And survive in it. Other than that he had a miraculous escape from a chasm in Deadly Assassin, but was clearly shown later leaving Gallifrey.

    3. #6 Derek Jacobi (Utopia)

    Gosh – what a coup. Jacobi has dabbled in the world of the Whoniverse in audio, but it was a delight to have that reveal on TV, and see the cosy charm of Yana gave way to the hollow, bitter, megalomaniac who’d quite happily kill the lovely alien who’d been helping him. Because he didn’t like the way she talked. It’s all too brief, but I’d love, somehow, to see him again. He’s pretty masterful. Clearly the Doctor can never know that Yana is the Master, but that wouldn’t stop me swallowing a bucketful of technobabble to see Jacobi, as the Master, face of against John Hurt’s War Doctor. Clash of the Titans. We’ll never see it.

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    Pretty clear, all in all. Remains from the movie resurrected by the Time Lords (as is their gift), ran, and hid himself in a way the Doctor had already revealed! Huzzah!!

    2. #8 Michelle Gomez (Series 8)

    As insane as the Simm Master, but somehow much more terrifying. I think a lot of this comes down to a simple equation. I think Simm was an actor pretending to be insane. I’m pretty sure that Michelle Gomez, is, at some fundamental level, insane. She’s brilliant at the scenes she’s given, turning from playful to nasty on the turn of a coin. Effortlessly odd, a preening ego playing games. A stalker of a Time Lord. Someone who desperately wants to prove a point.

    I think, of all the scenes I’ve seen the Master in, her countdown to death for Osgood will live the longest in memory. It’s a work of manic genius on her part, and narrative playfulness on the writers that would have Alfred Hitchcock applauding. You know its coming. You know it can’t happen. You know it’s coming though. Bugger. She’s dead. No care, no remorse. Her “last temptation of The Doctor” plan is audacious and, for me, far more in tune of the Doctor/Master “I need to prove that I’m right” dynamic we’ve seen previously.

    How the ?u%& did she do that?

    After reading the preceding entries, do we really feel that Missy was casually caught out by a Cyberman blaster? I think not. Hope she didn’t have to regenerate. Gomez was superb and I want additional airtime. I hope they have confidence to add layers to the character.

    1. #1 Roger Delgado (Pertwee Years)

    The original, and I still think the best. I think each Master has to be ranked alongside their Doctor for full effect. Delgado was what Pertwee actually needed. He was marvellous against Delgado – a true double act. I think there were hints at that double act in this encounter between Capaldi – Gomez.

    The 50th Anniversary year of 2013 also saw the 40th Anniversary of his untimely death. I wrote a tribute at the time, which I hope you may enjoy reading.

    I think he would have been delighted as Gomez as a replacement though. She’s very different, but I’ve always thought that the Master should understand the Doctor at a basic level. I think Gomez (and her script) conveyed that feeling that she understood her old friend only too well. And she was trying to welcome him to her own team. To prove that childhood point.

    How the ?u%& did he do that?

    It’s pretty all much good. You could question how he escaped a time loop designed to trap Axos while he was still in it, but the Doctor has been shown to break through timeloops himself by will. A Groundhog Day idea on Doctor Who would really be short lived 😀

  • PhaseShift replied to the topic Death in Heaven

    @blenkinsopthebrave @JimTheFish

    Many thanks. I’ll have a think about the Blog and may transfer it later Blenkinsop. It may be nice to have something to enable a discussion about the actors who have played the Master, you’re right.

  • PhaseShift replied to the topic Death in Heaven

    I mentioned the pantheon of Masters in my previous post. Time for me to answer the question literally no-one has been asking. Where does Michelle Gomez fit into my personal rankings of Masters? Yes – I can’t see the end of the series without another one of my personal lists. Any thoughts welcomed.

    7. #5 Eric Roberts (8th Doctor…[Read more]

  • blenkinsopthebrave replied to the topic Spoilers (2)

    SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILER...

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic The Rose & Crown

    @JimTheFish

    So long as we don’t discover a bunch of Cybermen trying to divert it…

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Death in Heaven

    @JimTheFish – I’ve been participating. It’s depressing. 🙁

    @Beancounter – a sense of duty overriding Cyber Conversion is as much a part of the mythology of the show as ‘Cybermen have a severe allergy to gold’. 😉

    Most recently, the Cyberised Yvonne Hartmann in Doomsday ‘did her duty for Queen and Country’ by holding off other Cybermen while…[Read more]

  • Apopheniac replied to the topic Death in Heaven

    Hello @JimTheFish

    Why read The Guardian BTL?  (except for the laughs at the same names coming on every week to say they’ll never watch again)

    I have a problem with Missy’s guards in this ep.  They obviously didn’t notice her get out of her handcuffs, they didn’t care that Missy said she was about to kill Osgood, but most of all:  they were sw…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Dark Water

    @Barnable    The Doctor is re-coding DNA into Computer Code on the chalkboards.   This is a very cool idea!

    @JimTheFish   Well said. I will admit that I’m not really warm to the idea of a female Doctor. But that’s a personal response, not really supported by the facts. I actually find that I can never really envision how anyone will work as th…[Read more]

  • ScaryB replied to the topic Dark Water

    @burrunjor @JimtheFish @Phaseshift @Whisht

    Interesting discussion.

    I’ve been watching the show since 1963, and have gone thro various degrees of ARSE* along the way. I was upset when Susan left FFS! And then the Hartnell/Troughton change. How dare they change my fave programme! The Doctor should be old!! Then I watched Troughton’s first story – < …[Read more]

  • Juniperfish replied to the topic Dark Water

    I’m still stuck on the idea that Clara is the Doctor and Missy’s kid in some timey-wimey manner 🙂

    I also still like the idea that somehow she’s already dead. It fits with the underworld theme.

    @Phaseshift Lol at your letter and yes, I’d be delighted to dress-up for the calendar too in a long and multi-coloured scarf.

    @JimtheFish I agree that…[Read more]

  • PhaseShift replied to the topic On The Sofa (5)

    @pollo20x6

    How unfortunate for you to join us during a minor “Trollageddon”.

    We’ve dealt with research before. We have a couple of scientists, a lecturer from the OU, and a couple of very knowledgeable nosey-parkers on the team.

    @craig has fielded questions from researchers before. So have I, and also @Jimthefish and @fatmaninabox. PM us one…[Read more]

  • janetteB replied to the topic Dark Water

    Still haven’t rewatched the episode so nothing new to add in terms of theories. (I am waiting until our youngest returns from a school trip as he left Sunday morning.)

    @JimTheFish I have the article open but haven’t read it yet or responded but I will certainly recommend your post.

    @Bluesqueakpip I agree with you and @Dr Ben re’ the pregnancy…[Read more]

  • ScaryB replied to the topic Dark Water

    Ooooh, lots of lovely juicy theories, thanks everyone.

    @Lisa and others – Post-it notes

    Well obviously Clara has stumbled into Steven Moffat’s workroom by mistake and is faced with massive spoilers of her own life, predestination paradoxes and a sneaky paranoia that she is being watched. And possibly controlled by an unseen presence! 😉

    For…[Read more]

  • IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Dark Water

    @JimTheFish

    As has been noted before, it Who isn’t giving 7-year-olds nightmares, it isn’t doing its job.

    My 14 year old nephew has still not been able to watch Waters of Mars – and when he tried a week or two back, his 7 year old sister put her hands over the eyes for the scary bits (unbidden, obv).

  • ScaryB replied to the topic Dark Water

    @PhileasF Thanks for the screengrabs. Very interesting!

    @Margaret-Blaine Don’t let the odd post-scramble put you off posting. It happens occasionally, don’t know why. (Welcome to the dark (water) side 😉 )

    @jack Re Dr Sarkosa – he would appear to be dead and cyberised – see the inscription on the skeleton-case in his office

    @RobertDaller The…[Read more]

  • Juniperfish replied to the topic Dark Water

    @Phaseshift @JimtheFish @Craig Yes PLEASE to the calendar . It could be Master/ Doctor themed featuring (a different) Missy with each of the twelve docs. I’ll get my Fourth costume together 🙂

    @Serahni

    Well, apparently The Doctor has a patch that makes her dream so vividly, she thinks it’s reality.  >.>  That might be…important

    Yes, it might…[Read more]

  • PhaseShift replied to the topic Dark Water

    @spider

    Yes – I think it it’s sad that the crew couldn’t possibly get away with something like that these days. I still think that Earthshock managed to deliver genuine “holy crap” moments for its time. I can certainly remember discussing them at school the next day with the few people who I knew were still watching.

    @Juniperfish

    While I’m…[Read more]

  • @thommck

    Very sorry about that. Yes @JimtheFish, @Phaseshift, @FatManinaBox go ahead and get rid of the final paragraph my post #33916, before the ‘PS’ (but please leave the rest of the post, it took ages to think/write out!). My apologies again @thommck, I hope I didn’t ruin things too much for you. I reminded myself not to refer to the ‘…[Read more]

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