• ichabod replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @ozitenor  right after she realized the Doctor suffered for billions of years for no reason other than to save her. She says “People like me and you, we should say things to one another, and I am going to say them now”. I wonder if it was just something simple and sentimental, an expression of gratitude and love. Anybody have any insights?

    I thin…[Read more]

  • tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @rob

    Also during Rasillon’s visit to the barn he stated…..

    How many regenerations did we give you, I’ve got all day

    Strongly suggesting a more than just another full set

    Or possibly less. The terminology used at the time was giving him a new cycle of regenerations, from which you’d initially think 12. But if you remember the circums…[Read more]

  • lisa replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @Morpho                 @avaris             @Ichabod                     @ozitenor

     

    Ok so this is my bonkers thinking..    I think this reinforces the notion that the Doctor

    might have a bit of Human in his DNA?    Because just like in the episode when Amy

    uses the shock box to revive the 11th ( in Power of 3?)  I think that was working on…[Read more]

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Hell Bent

    On the third page! 🙂

    @Morpho
    It sounds as if, having agreed to treat the Eighth Doctor’s audio adventures as canon, Moffat’s going full tilt for the audio canon explanation of the Sisterhood – which is that the Sisterhood aren’t just neighbours of Gallifrey, they’re exiled Gallifreyans. Rassillon didn’t like their religion, so they had to do a…[Read more]

  • Mudlark replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @lisa  @ichabod

    The Doctor lies. Again.

    Exactly!  Or, if not lying outright, he has been a bit economical with the truth.  If he intended the neural block for himself all along, it probably wasn’t programmed for a full erasure.  He said that once Clara was in your head she never left, and perhaps it was only this Clara-in-the-head he meant to rem…[Read more]

  • tommo replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @rorysmith – you’re bang on with the Ashildr/doctor theorising scene. i totally imagine moffatt reading this very forum in prep for a scene like that. i think all those theories they bandied were posited on here at some point. it reminded me of that scene in Sherlock (series3) when he’s discussing how he escaped his jump from the hospital roof…[Read more]

  • nerys replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @ozitenor

    1. Sunglasses: Clara gives them back to the Doctor who, later in the diner puts them on the countertop to connect his electric guitar to the speaker system. BUT, the diner and the furniture in it are all part of Clara’s shiny new TARDIS, so when she dematerialises to leave the Doctor alone in the desert with his old TARDIS, the s…

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  • Mudlark replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @Ozitenor

    For what it’s worth, my take on the issues raised in your post #48938 points 3 and 4. is as follows.  I read the initial sequence of events as you did: when the Doctor regained consciousness he was in a very confused state – waking up in the desert with no idea how he got there would be enough to ensure that, even without the after ef…[Read more]

  • geoffers replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @ozitenor

    why is it that the dial ends up being out in the dry lands of Gallifrey when the Doctor exits it?

    i’ve reasoned it out this way, for my own satisfaction:

    because the doctor exited the dial in a most unique, unintended way (by physically breaking it), that the fracture in the wall opened in a random place, but not a random time. if the…[Read more]

  • tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @ozitenor

    3. This is what REALLY confuses me…

    I’ll have a shot at explaining what could have happened…

    Perhaps Clara dropped the Doctor’s tardis off somewhere remote, so that it’s out of the way and to stop UNIT finding it and dragging it off the dark archives or something daft, and left the Doctor somewhere near it in the US. The Doctor c…[Read more]

  • tardigrade replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @ozitenor

    4. How does Clara know to chameleon the ClaraTardis into that particular diner? She wasn’t there with Amy and Rory and River was she? Even if we assume a Claricle was there to save the Doctor once upon a time, that is not this Clara, with this Clara’s memories. How did she know to choose that tardis disguise? … perhaps more impor…

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  • Miapatrick replied to the topic Hell Bent

    @Ozitenor– that makes sense with Clara, definitely, good spot. But Captain Jack had to heal, I’m pretty sure at one point he got blown up and had to come back ‘the long way’.

  • Miapatrick replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @Ozitenor– great comments. I agree about the dust and the extra suit of clothes especially, and the re-sets. Thinking about it, I don’t know why I was assuming that his death would trigger a re-set in the same way as his confessions.

    Re the Tardis- I wonder if we are supposed to think he means the tardis is behind the- yeah, lets just call it…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @Ozitenor      Nice post!  I like your point about the first 7,000 years of the Doctor’s journey. Of course, he wouldn’t have to do everything exactly the same way each time, as long he made it back to the teleport room and completed the cycle there. That solves a lot of dilemmas. It is also borne out by the fact that the story he tells the Veil…[Read more]

  • ichabod replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @juniperfish  #48303  thanks for the link to the artist’s page on tumblr; a beautiful piece, IMO, so thanks for that too, @serahni.

    @puroandson  #48296 (I’m trying to catch up here, using post numbers) Both of you — “fixity of purpose”, yes.  Perfect.

    @mudlark  #38304  This is a great summary of the situation.  The Dial could be of the Doctor…[Read more]

  • Juniperfish replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @Serahni

    Glad I could help! Google has a reverse image search function which is really handy so you can put images into it and it will search for the origin:

    https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/1325808?hl=en

    @ozitenor Welcome back and good luck with the tour!

    I think the reason the Doctor interprets the word “home” as meaning the…[Read more]

  • Whisht replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @mersey – you may be the first person to ever say that that Clara ain’t no oil painting.

    ;¬)

    @ozitenor – blimey! What a post! I for one would love to hear more (but you’ve set your own bar high!).

    @arbutus – at the risk of sounding gushing, your comment to Bluesqueakpip is just ace. Honestly. And Blue’s reasoning and general squeakness as…[Read more]

  • geoffers replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @ozitenor

    there is a pulsing light behind the wall, as happens when the tardis materializes/dematerializes,

    sorry, the pulsing light isn’t quite that strong. more reminiscent of the console when it’s in use, perhaps? still, i think there is a vaguely tardisy shape around the core of the light? (the telephone booth shape of his own tardis, of…[Read more]

  • geoffers replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @ozitenor

    5. Grave: I was trying to think why CapDoc leaves the most important clue 10 feet underground. I think it is because he discovers the only way to keep the clue in existence following a reset is to dig below the level of the reset of the garden. It must be that only a certain depth of topsoil resets.

    so, for thousands of deaths, he had…[Read more]

  • geoffers replied to the topic Heaven Sent

    @ozitenor

    brilliant post! helps clear up a lot of niggles in my mind…

    10. I am a little confused as to why CapDoc says “of course, the final piece of the puzzle has to be the TARDIS” (paraphrasing) after he sees the diamond wall and the word “home”. Because there is no TARDIS nor any image of the TARDIS.

    there is a pulsing light behind…[Read more]

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