• Serahni replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman Added more to my comment.  >.>  I had to watch the damn episode again to get the quote. LOL.

    @purofilion  I have always felt that there is something about The Doctor that is…hrm…predetermined?  It seems to me that the reason he has such limited control over his regeneration, (as opposed to, say, Romana, who we saw trying on bod…[Read more]

  • Serahni replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman  I was using snippets from both Capaldi’s episodes when I referenced that, sorry!  And admittedly, there is more evidence of it in “Deep Breath”, with his “”Well I’m cold too, there’s no point in us both being cold, give me your coat!” and “there’s no point in him catching us both.”  I understand that these seem to be intentionally am…[Read more]

  • Serahni replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman  Whilst I can agree that The Doctor’s choices regarding Ross are not the only questionably-moral thing he’s ever done, his absolute acceptance that it was the correct course of action did seem a significant change in his recent personality, at least.  If we’re taking it purely from Clara’s perspective, which is the context I put it i…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman   the Doctor’s remark was revealing just how irrelevant the concept of age is to him – even if this incarnation looks older – but of more relevance to humans.     This makes a lot of sense to me. The Doctor is trying to think in what he sees as human terms (“You aren’t getting any younger, great you’re still making an effort” kind of c…[Read more]

  • midnyt replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @silverman – I thought the slap helped portray Clara as a real person, which quite frankly, has been lacking up until now for me. We’ve seen the perfect, impossible girl. Now, I’m starting to see a real person instead. That’s also what I mean about her saving him. (I’ve never really though about Eleven and his companions saving him.) Right…[Read more]

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman and @Phaseshift

    The relevant lines are in Day of the Doctor when Clara meets all three Doctors:

    Clara: So they’re both you then, yeah?
    The Doctor: Yes. You’ve met them before. Don’t you remember?
    Clara: A bit. Nice suit.

    So, yeah, she kind of remembers. Which may well explain the Capaldi Doctor’s digs about Clara’s age this week.…[Read more]

  • IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman

    Am I alone in thinking that it almost contradicts Clara’s character as a modern, intelligent woman if she’s going to start going all ‘Nora Batty’ about differences of opinion.

    I think there is a world of difference between a “difference of opinion” and “an affront”. Clar, for me, was cleaelry offended not just disappointed. She’s been th…[Read more]

  • janetteB replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @craig, Well handled. @purofilion @Arbutus, @Silverman, Well said. If such a person was ever a Dr Who fan then  I think they have been “missing the point”. But enough has been said already, and I have a meeting tonight with a bunch of “lefty, pacifist, rebel type friends” to get ready for, nearly all of whom are also Dr Who fans. (Or “lefty” by…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman   Good question. No, I think that like you, I definitely see Twelve as having his own unique character. It’s just that that character seems to contain a lot more of the qualities that we’ve seen in earlier Doctors, unlike the other recent incarnations which have had a more unique feel to them (at least, to me). People have written a lot…[Read more]

  • Vastrax replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Arbutus

    Thank you for the compliment!

    With Ross, I knew that he injured the Dalek, but I thought that was the Doctor gave him caused the antibodies to kill him, though I’m not entirely sure how.

    Also, you asked me to cite an episode where the Daleks ran away. When I wrote that comment, I was thinking of one in particular: “Victory of the…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman

    You have been bringing up a lot of interesting points, and this is another one. I once hypothesized a connection between new incarnations and events that preceded them. I think it’s really possible to make a case for that connection. As just one example, after Three is stranded on Earth for so long, working with the military and all t…[Read more]

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @Silverman – if I had to guess, I’d say that the Capaldi Doctor is reacting to finding out that he was willing to kill the Time Lords when there was another way, BUT, he didn’t kill them.

    So he’s moving on from the Smith Doctor’s unconscious identification of himself as a ‘monster’ constrained by rules.

    Good men don’t need rules. Today is not…

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  • Arbutus replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    Thanks for the Resurrection reference, @PhaseShift, I thought I had heard the “duplicate” thing mentioned before; but I thought it might have been in audio, which I usually try to keep away from in these discussions.

    @ABXY (and others as well) I think that war/the military is going to be a theme in this series. I wonder if it will tie in with the…[Read more]

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Into the Dalek

    @JimTheFish   Good point about the similarity to the Seventh Doctor, who was moving in this direction in his later TV stories  as well. The Doctor’s treatment of Clara in Deep Breath was not unlike Seven’s manipulation of Ace in Curse of Fenric. But this Doctor doesn’t hide behind the mask that Seven wore.

    @cpgolfer  As others have said, I d…[Read more]

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @Silverman – the difference between BG Companions and AG Companions makes perfect sense in-story. Because the Before Gap Companions are basically Before Time War Companions and the After Gap Companions are the After Time War Companions.

    And while the Before Time War Doctor is happy enough travelling with any pretty young woman who happens to…[Read more]

  • midnyt replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @Silverman, I though that excuses line was just puro calling me out. (ie both you and puro gave arguments for Clara’s actions, and I called them excuses) 🙂

    The only excuse I have for the creatures in Father’s Day vs the Doctor jumping back in later on is: Fixed point? Maybe? Kind of like all of history happening at once in The Wedding of…[Read more]

  • bivium6 replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @Silverman

    the Doctor said it was dangerous to be in his own timeline. Then, at other times, and definitely with Tennant it’s all about ‘I can’t go back on my own timeline’.

    The one that bothered me was Journey to the Center of the Tardis.  He went back on his own time stream to save himself.  If he could do that, there would never be any tensi…[Read more]

  • IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @Silverman

    We then had Matt Smith’s Doctor zipping all over his timeline to free himself from the Pandorica

    And that ended up with the universe needing to be rebooted…

  • Bluesqueakpip replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @silverman – why isn’t the giant dinosaur in the history books? Because it’s only Episode 1.

    I really doubt that, having provided an explanation for the Giant Stompy Robot, we’re not going to get some kind of explanation about Giant Lonely Dinosaur. But Moffat has the whole of S8 and S9 before he’s got to explain it.

  • Arbutus replied to the topic Deep Breath

    @Silverman   I completely agree with this. From a dramatic point of view, I liked what the dinosaur brought to the Doctor’s post-regen recovery. But I wish they could have come up with a way of presenting it such that it didn’t leave such an obvious gaping hole in the history books. It’s more clever to have sci-fi events that tie in with real on…[Read more]

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