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1 June 2017 at 08:52 #58354
@thane15 the “double-lock” thing does sound like it was inserted to cover fans whinging about plot holes… ie “Why did they remove the windows off the office, take the tardis out and put it on a plane, before speaking to the Doctor? Even if Bill doesn’t have a key we know full well Nardole has one.”
1 June 2017 at 08:48 #58353@cathannabel that IS what she said! Probaly what I would have said in her shoes too… Well, I’d have said taxi because I’m not young and hip like her, but you get the point! It was a funny line, it’s a shame people missed it.
30 May 2017 at 12:25 #58267oooh I don’t know @tardigrade – I feel as an audience member and fan that I’ve entered into an unspoken agreed contract with the makers of Doctor that I will never assume a regeneration is possible when a scene of jeopardy is introduced!
30 May 2017 at 08:24 #58256@tardigrade the established lore on time-lord’s and their ability to regenerate is somewhat iffy when it comes to continuity – but we have over time learned that if their injuries are too severe, or if their hearts are damaged, or if they die instantly before the process has a chance to begin then they can’t regenerate… So I suspect exploding along with the lab would have ticked all three of those boxes!
Someone should have told the executioners last week this!
29 May 2017 at 12:38 #58213Oh don’t get me wrong @blenkinsopthebrave my commentary was written and delivered with tongue firmly in cheek and with a true sense of love for every silly plot-hole going!
Wouldn’t watch Doctor Who if I didn’t love it. Wouldn’t have posted a commentary on any forum other that this one.
28 May 2017 at 12:12 #58145Re-watched it again this morning… And thought I’d do a running commentary whilst I did!
00:00 – Bill’s on a date with Penny and is busy telling her that her tutor is a space alien! I wonder why she’s doing that? And whether this is a first date or whether we’ve skipped forward a few weeks?
00:37 – Now Bill’s telling Penny about the computer simulation they were trapped in last episode! What’s wrong with this girl?
01:40 – Ahhhhhhhh! I stand corrected, Bill has actually been telling Penny this was all a dream that her tutor had told her about… Claiming Penny was in it too and in it they were apparently dating! Well, I’ve heard of worse pick-up techniques I suppose! Go Bill!
02:29 – Donald Trump reference, contradicting what we saw in the Whitehouse last episode! Naughty continuity advisor! Slapped wrists!
04:46 – The Doctors chillin’ like a villin’ in the Tardis, playing his guitar and seemingly having done absolutely nothing with any of the information he received from the email last episode.
05:20 – One of our scientists just had her glasses broken by her husband.
06:32 – The UN physically removed the Tadis from the Doctors office, put it on a plane and flew away… All whilst he was inside and all without him noticing. Stupid Doctor.
07:45 – One of the scientists is hung-over… But the other one asks him to mix the formulas for her, because she’s broken her glasses. Stupid Scientist.
09:38 – The Doctor establishes that the pyramid spaceship has chosen to deliberately land in an area that’s strategically surrounded by the three most powerful nations on earth…
11:03 – The Monks come out to say hello to the Doctor, they recognise him from the simulation. They inform the Doctor they’re going to rule the world but that the world will ask them to do it.
11:57 – All the clocks in the world reset to 11:57 (…at precisely 11 minutes and 57 seconds into the episode!!) thus establishing a countdown to destruction… in a somewhat convulated way if you ask me?
12:51 – Hungover scientist can’t see his computer screen properly due to blurred hungover vision and types 118.9 into it instead of 11.89… Stupid scientist!
14:40 – The Doctor gets the Russians, Chinese and Americans in a conference room together to tell them the Monks have chosen this time and this place for a reason… Theorises world war 3 might be about to break out. Doctor surprises Bill and Nardole by agreeing to the suggestion of attacking the Pyramid! …Bill begins to suspect there’s something wrong with the Doctor.
16:06 – Bill gives The Doctor the option to tell her the truth… He chooses to continue lying to her, this will be his downfall later.
18:07 – The three nations attack the pyramid. The Monks easily prevent the attack. We now know that we can’t fight them… We also learn that the Monks themselves seem to have no interest in violence (so far!) and indeed they let all the soldiers who attacked them live.
20:46 – The Doctor and co all pop into pyramid to say hello. The Monks tell them that life on earth is about to be extinguished by humanity’s own hand… And they utilise some sparkily shower-curtains in order to demonstrate this.
22:03 – The Monks confirm they based their looks on humans – who to them all look like corpses! They also say they’ll cheerfully stop the end of the world as long as the humans ask nicely!
22:40 – The gang all take hold of the sparkily shower curtain to see what the world will look like in a years time – and are treated to some stock-footage of hurricane Katrina…
22:54 – “Dead as a moon.” – writer earns 3 smug points for slipping in an in-joke based on one of his previous episodes.
22:36 – The Monks establish they have no interest in taking over the world by violence, but rather they wish to rule by being ‘wanted’ and ‘loved’… Awwwww! Bless ‘em! They’re lonely! Well, having no nose will do that to you I suppose.
24:12 – The UN embassador immediately consents to their request… And they blow him up! So much for non-violence eh? Turns out that he was only consenting out of fear, that’s not good enough for our insecure Monks.
25:17 – Hungover scientist takes off his helmet because he needs some air! Stupid scientist.
25:36 – Turns out the enzymes the scientists released causes bad CGI and all the plants melt.
26:00 – Hungover scientist still doesn’t put his helmet back on, then leaves open the airlock door. Stupid scientist. I’m starting to think he’s still drunk.
26:36 – The Americans, the Russians and the Chinese all shake hands and say they’ll be friends! Awww peace on earth! Finally!
26:58 – Oh… It made no difference… the convoluted countdown clock is still ticking! Ah well, that’s a nice lesson for us all to learn. Peace does nothing.
27:45 – Glasses-less scientist figures out that the enzymes are going to kill everyone in the world. So she seals the lab. Clever scientist!
28:39 – The Doctor and the gang work out that a big scientific mistake, probably taking place in a lab somewhere, is going to destroy all life on earth… They work this out via a quick 30 second conversation about how the world *could* end…
29:04 – The Doctor hatches a plan to use Google in order to work out where this scientific mistake could be happening.
29:43 – Helmetless hungover scientist melts into a pile of goo. That’ll learn him!
32:00 – The heads of the Chinese, Russian and American forces are for some reason a tad dubious that google searching the answer is going to work, so they all skip off to surrender to the Monks.
32:20 – The Doctor is on the verge of revealing to Bill he’s blind… Then he decides not to. Again, this is going to cost him dearly later. Stupid Doctor.
33:14 – Broken glasses scientist works out the mistake that hungover scientist made when he was inputting the numbers. She blames him for this – even though if she’d had any sense she would have gotten herself a new pair of glasses instead of handing over the ‘deadly life-destroying chemical’ duties to her clearly useless colleague. Stupid scientist.
33:46 – Doctor works out which lab the mistake happened in, by turning off all the cameras to all labs and then seeing which one the Monks turn on again. Because of course the omnipotent Monks, capable of curing blindless from a distance and simulating the entire history of earth are actually observing things through a simple cc-tv system…. Albeit on an alieny triangular television.
34:45 – Doctor and Nardole arrive at the lab… Doctor allows Nardole to cheerfully follow him out of the Tardis, before informing him that his lungs are human and he’ll get infected. Nardole, now presumably infected, goes back in the Tardis. The Doctor then tells him to move the Tardis somewhere else for a bit… I don’t know why.
35:16 – As requested, the infected Nardole removes the Doctor’s only means of escape from the lab, then passes out.
36:00 – Broken glasses scientist informs the Doctor that even though she activated the safety protocol that seals the lab and stops deadly toxins escaping into the atmosphere, an air pump will activate in thirty minutes that will… um… let the deadly toxins escape into the atmosphere. Oh and it can’t be turned off.
37:12 – The Doctor decides to blow up the lab… And also flirt with broken-glasses scientist – who is surprisingly chipper considering she saw her colleague melt a few scenes ago. Maybe she never liked him?
37:39 – The heads of American, Russian and Chinese forces all surrender to the needy Monks. The Monks are having none of it though, they’re only doing it for tactical reasons, not because they love them. They are all exploded.
39:37 – Bills the only one left who can consent to the Monks now… They tell her if she does the ‘the link’ will be formed. She asks him ‘What link?’ – he doesn’t answer her… Hmmm… Must be relevant next week?
40:25 – The Doctor has rigged an explosion to destroy the lab. Broken-Glasses scientist has already legged it off to a safe area, locking the door behind her.
40:55 – The Doctor flirts with broken-glasses scientist through a window, she’s all smiles and laughs, she’s loving this! …I really am starting to think she never liked her mushy colleague at all.
41:10 – Broken-glasses doctor reveals she can’t open the door she locked… just like she couldn’t stop the venting… I’m beginning to wonder whether she can do anything?
41:20 – Oh well, even a blind doctor can open a door-code lock, everyone knows where the buttons are don’t they? They’re laid out like they are on a phone. Every single door-code lock I’ve ever seen is laid out like that… I don’t imagine this one will be any diff… Oh! Oh no! This one is on tumblers!
41:24 – Still, the sonic-screw driver will make short thrift of that little problem… Oh! Oh no! Tumblers are the one thing it can’t handle!!
42:00 – …better get back in the Tadis then Doctor, before you… Oh! Oh no! That’s right! You aksed Nardole to move it didn’t you? Better call him and tell him to come pick you up… Oh! Oh no! That’s right! You let him follow you out into the toxic air before reminding him about his lungs didn’t you?
42:15 – The Doctor FINALLY reveals to Bill he’s blind… Oh if only you’d done that before Doctor, she might have insisted on coming with you and all would be well. Your pride has made you the architect of your own destruction.
45:00 – Bill sells the entire world to the Monks, in exchange for the Doctor getting his sight back. The Monks are more than chuffed with that, because it means she’s doing it out of (intensely selfish) love! Hooray!
45:30 – The Doctor can see! He escapes into the safe-area with broken-glasses scientist and they watch the lab explode… He doesn’t flirt with her this time, maybe he’s worked out what a moron she is… Or maybe now he can see he’s decided she’s not really his type? Who knows?
47:00 – The Monks have won! For now!
28 May 2017 at 08:45 #58139When we were with the two scientists, they showed a flashback of the broken wine bottle and broken glasses three times… Did I miss the relevenace this episode, or do we think it’s going to play into next weeks somehow… timey-wimey butterfly-effecty stuff?
27 May 2017 at 22:48 #58118@craig I’ve done that. Unfortunately I don’t have control over what is classed as spam, it’s an anti-spam plug-in for the website. I hope that now I’ve “unspammed” you, you shouldn’t have any more problems. But if you do, please let me know.
Ohhhhh… I know what it is then! It’s because i edited the post like 3 times in a minute because I kept spotting spelling mistakes! Lesson learned, thanks!
27 May 2017 at 22:23 #58112@craig I thought I was pressing a wrong button or something! Oh yes please, do delete 58097 and 58098 so I don’t sound insanely pushy! – thanks! X
27 May 2017 at 21:56 #58101…something else has just occured to me… Everything that happened last week was actually kind of pointless wasn’t it? I mean, if the Sim-Doctor hadn’t emailed over all that information to the real Doctor then… Then what? Everything this week would have just happened anyway.
27 May 2017 at 21:50 #58099@miapatrick still, one thing the monks don’t know is how people would fight them in real life. Everyone who read the book killed their selves. No one tried to fight them- because that would give them information and because, what’s the point?
Well, nobody tried to fight them because nobody knew they were then – none of those people in the simulation who killed themselves were actually aware of what the purpose of the simulation was, or who was running it. Only the Doctor got to meet them because they knew off his legacy and popped in to say hi!
But your right, they don’t know how people would fight them – but it turns out that was never the purpose of the simulation – the simulation was to play out all earth events until they could ascertain which point in history a apocalypse would occur that they could offer to save humanity from, at the cost of enslavement.
27 May 2017 at 21:07 #58092@miapatrick I do see a flaw in their plan though. Last week the doctor observed that they wanted to see, specifically, what people clever enough to work out they were in a simulation would do.
Yeah, the Doctor *did* say that… But it never really tallied with what we were seeing, so I took it as just throwing a notion out there. After all, nobody is last weeks episode (including the faux-doctor) WERE clever enough to work out they were in a simulation. None of them. Effectively they were all just told it. Someone DID work it out once, thousands of years ago – and wrote it in a book. But all our lot did last episode was read said book! I mean, is that being clever? I reckon the cast of celebrity big brother could probably manage that!
27 May 2017 at 20:49 #58088Oh those tricksy monks! *shakes fist at monks*
Trump reference was a bit weird wasn’t it? Having chosen to deliberately avoid it last week. I guess that was him we saw dead all along… overdose must have changed his barnet.
23 May 2017 at 19:19 #57945@pedant Okay, I shall allow for that! He’s a cheeky wee scamp is our Moffat! …I might even miss him…
23 May 2017 at 16:40 #57942@pedant you think they were referencing her? I know she’s a fabled female pope, but they seemed pretty clear on reffering to this one as Benedict IX, who as I say is a non-fabled real pope from history… So outside of sharing a gender with Pope Joan, there doesn’t seem to be a connection.
23 May 2017 at 09:20 #57915@morpho Pope-bashing in the matrix!
…ah, so that’s what you kids are calling it these days! You’ll go as blind as the Doctor you know?
Question: In real life Pope Benedict IX was a man, right? An actual historical figure. Doctor Who doesn’t usually ret-con real history to such an extent does it? Soooooo…. Was the female Pope only something that had occured in that simulation, due to some minor butterfly-effect type thing somewhere in the simulated history?
22 May 2017 at 10:06 #57843I’m fine with him wanting to know what’s in the message. It’s just a perverse way he goes about trying to read it. At the end of the episode he “emails” a message to himself that is shown to him via his glasses. Earlier he’s actually trying to read an email– surely it’s much more obvious then to forward it to the device that will show it to him, rather than employing an experimental, possibly fatal, method of trying to read it. Seeing that, I was ready to kick his butt, let alone Nardole (or River).
Ha ha! Yes! I agree! Often typical of Doctor Who of course, big old complicated methods for no real reason! I mean, why on Earth did the Doctor bother going through the conveluted process of rewiring the execution device, then pretending to execute Missy? …because literally five seconds later he just confirmed he wasn’t going to kill her, he was going to keep her alive in the vault and none of them could stop him? 😀
22 May 2017 at 09:53 #57839If the Vatican priests really did believe they were simulated, then they would probably not think they had an eternal soul, so would not be in fear of damnation. And if it were an accurate simulation, then there is presumably another version of themselves in the real world acting as custodian of their soul.
Exactly! But of course that line about “He read it and chose hell” was spoken by a priest who hadn’t read the book.
22 May 2017 at 09:26 #57834Oh… Actually by using the back-button I can re-find it! And indeed correct the @ whilst I’m at it! Ooooh I feel like one of the Mum-Ra Monks, simulating posts and then re-doing them over and over till I get them right!
Firstly to clarify something- some commenters are describing the episode as playing out in a VR world
Actually I think it was just me who did that! Sorry! x
It seems that the scope of the simulation was quite limited. Why include CERN in that simulation? Their relevance in an alien invasion is hard to imagine.
As far as I understood it (and I’m notoriously thick) the entire planet and all of it’s history was part of the simulation… Didn’t the doctor say as such at some point? You, me, Dale Winton and that mad bloke who shouts at pigeons in the park – we were all there in it somewhere too! It was a complete simulated earth.
(2) If the aliens have sufficient knowledge to construct a useful simulation, they need to know how people will react, so building the simulation to determine that seems a rather circular exercise.
Again I might have gotten this wrong… But I don’t think that working out how people would react to being in a simulation was part of their plan. There plan is to create a complete duplicate of the planet and then invade it to see how it plays out… Then reset it… Then invade it again… Then reset it… Then invade it again… Over and over and over and over until they come up with the invasion that causes them the least casualties and leads to victory.
The fact that within that simulation some people figured out it wasn’t real was actually surprisingly irrelevent. We can presume that the civilization that first worked it out (“thousands of years before the church”) and then transcribed it into a book before committing mass-suicide wound up being present in every version of the simulation… But it really didn’t matter much to the Monks, because as far as they were told (and indeed told the Doctor during their last scene) there’s nothing they can do with that knowledge anyway… “There’s nothing you can do. Your not real.” …
Infact the whole stuff about the book was a typically Moffatesque plot-herring. We were led to believe the whole plot hinged on it and the fact it was causing people to commit suicide… But that was never what was important. It was just a device for the doctor to figure out the real plot playing behind it.
(3) I don’t buy people (simulated or other) deciding that “suicide” is the answer when confronted by their status as simulations.
Agreed! Simulation-theory is of course a real philosophical theory in our world… And delving into it you start entering the realm of ‘what does it mean to be real’… If everything IS a simulation there is a kind of, “Well so what?” school of thought that can emmerge. “I still feel real. Everything still looks real. Who cares? I’m real!”
If it was revealed tomorrow we’re all in a big computer game, I doubt we’ll all slit our wrists!
That said… For the sake of this story, I’ll go along with it – and there was something quite clever about focusing on both religion and science to demonstrate it. Picking two groups at polar opposite ends of the spectrum who both happen to share something in common, namely that they both have strong beliefs in what they are doing, what they study, what their purpose is… Then taking it away from them and showing them that their life’s dedication was utterly worthless… There is no God… There is no answer to the nature of the universe… Nothing is real and your all just programmed characters in a big computer game… You’ll never go to heaven and you’ll never work out what’s really going on outside of your own little digital prison. Take hope and purpose away from people like that and yes, I reckon they’ll start reaching for the rat-poison!
(4) I thought the shadow test of reciting random numbers rather unconvincing in any case. If the simulation really is so weak that the agents all come up with the same sequence given radically different starting conditions (different life histories), then the simulation wouldn’t be of much value anyway.
Definitely a plot hole that one! Because realistically most of us would have figured that out at some point in our lives! Who hasn’t played “Pick a number between one and a hundred?” at some point? …I think we need to let that one slide!
(5) Why does the Doctor choose to take the risk he does to read the Veritas? In the end he simply gets the laptop to read it to him, so even if he’d momentarily forgotten about that possibility, could he not have “emailed” the text to the Tardis and had it read aloud or psychically transferred it to him? You’d have thought he could have installed some OCR software on his glasses for that matter- it seems a smarter solution than this one by a long shot. Admittedly it is the sim-Doctor taking that risk, but presumably it is an accurate simulation of what the real Doctor would have done.
I suppose he just HAD to know! He’s a stubborn old fish is our Doctor!
22 May 2017 at 09:24 #57832@thane15 I know, it WAS there. Why did it vanish? Oh well. I’m not typing it again.
22 May 2017 at 09:17 #57830Sorry @thane15 I did indeed mean t’other poster.
I’m still new. I’m learning. x
22 May 2017 at 08:58 #57827@thane15
Firstly to clarify something- some commenters are describing the episode as playing out in a VR world
Actually I think it was just me who did that! Sorry! x
It seems that the scope of the simulation was quite limited. Why include CERN in that simulation? Their relevance in an alien invasion is hard to imagine.
As far as I understood it (and I’m notoriously thick) the entire planet and all of it’s history was part of the simulation… Didn’t the doctor say as such at some point? You, me, Dale Winton and that mad bloke who shouts at pigeons in the park – we were all there in it somewhere too! It was a complete simulated earth.
(2) If the aliens have sufficient knowledge to construct a useful simulation, they need to know how people will react, so building the simulation to determine that seems a rather circular exercise.
Again I might have gotten this wrong… But I don’t think that working out how people would react to being in a simulation was part of their plan. There plan is to create a complete duplicate of the planet and then invade it to see how it plays out… Then reset it… Then invade it again… Then reset it… Then invade it again… Over and over and over and over until they come up with the invasion that causes them the least casualties and leads to victory.
The fact that within that simulation some people figured out it wasn’t real was actually surprisingly irrelevent. We can presume that the civilization that first worked it out (“thousands of years before the church”) and then transcribed it into a book before committing mass-suicide wound up being present in every version of the simulation… But it really didn’t matter much to the Monks, because as far as they were told (and indeed told the Doctor during their last scene) there’s nothing they can do with that knowledge anyway… “There’s nothing you can do. Your not real.” …
Infact the whole stuff about the book was a typically Moffatesque plot-herring. We were led to believe the whole plot hinged on it and the fact it was causing people to commit suicide… But that was never what was important. It was just a device for the doctor to figure out the real plot playing behind it.
(3) I don’t buy people (simulated or other) deciding that “suicide” is the answer when confronted by their status as simulations.
Agreed! Simulation-theory is of course a real philosophical theory in our world… And delving into it you start entering the realm of ‘what does it mean to be real’… If everything IS a simulation there is a kind of, “Well so what?” school of thought that can emmerge. “I still feel real. Everything still looks real. Who cares? I’m real!”
If it was revealed tomorrow we’re all in a big computer game, I doubt we’ll all slit our wrists!
That said… For the sake of this story, I’ll go along with it – and there was something quite clever about focusing on both religion and science to demonstrate it. Picking two groups at polar opposite ends of the spectrum who both happen to share something in common, namely that they both have strong beliefs in what they are doing, what they study, what their purpose is… Then taking it away from them and showing them that their life’s dedication was utterly worthless… There is no God… There is no answer to the nature of the universe… Nothing is real and your all just programmed characters in a big computer game… You’ll never go to heaven and you’ll never work out what’s really going on outside of your own little digital prison. Take hope and purpose away from people like that and yes, I reckon they’ll start reaching for the rat-poison!
(4) I thought the shadow test of reciting random numbers rather unconvincing in any case. If the simulation really is so weak that the agents all come up with the same sequence given radically different starting conditions (different life histories), then the simulation wouldn’t be of much value anyway.
Definitely a plot hole that one! Because realistically most of us would have figured that out at some point in our lives! Who hasn’t played “Pick a number between one and a hundred?” at some point? …I think we need to let that one slide!
(5) Why does the Doctor choose to take the risk he does to read the Veritas? In the end he simply gets the laptop to read it to him, so even if he’d momentarily forgotten about that possibility, could he not have “emailed” the text to the Tardis and had it read aloud or psychically transferred it to him? You’d have thought he could have installed some OCR software on his glasses for that matter- it seems a smarter solution than this one by a long shot. Admittedly it is the sim-Doctor taking that risk, but presumably it is an accurate simulation of what the real Doctor would have done.
I suppose he just HAD to know! He’s a stubborn old fish is our Doctor!
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<div class=”even bbp-parent-forum-29932 bbp-parent-topic-57690 bbp-reply-position-96 user-id-4486 post-57812 reply type-reply status-publish hentry”></div>21 May 2017 at 21:52 #57804@doktorvem When it is a “long time ago” in the time line how can it still be the latest docotor? For example during the flashback of “killing” Missy.
It wasn’t a long time ago in the doctors time-line (it occured not long after River had died) – it just means it was a long time ago in history – for all we know it all took place billions of years before the earth was formed – its just that the doctor and indeed Missy were both summoned/kidnapped and taken there from their respective current time-lines. And indeed returned back again afterwards, albeit one of them now in a vault!
21 May 2017 at 16:25 #57780Hi @whisht – thank you! Do you know who I thought the portrait looked like? Sophie Winkleman. Big Suze from Peep Show.
21 May 2017 at 13:26 #57775@thane15 Like the Doctor in a tessalecta?
Aye! But on a much bigger, wheels-within-wheels level!!
It won’t be that though, obviously. It’ll probably just be that our Doctor will simply have to do something he knows no Doctor would have done in any possible simulation, because its just too unthinkable…
…like, I don’t know… break an oath and open a vault? 🙂
21 May 2017 at 12:53 #57770Thanks for the nice welcomes!
Yes, agreed that the purpose of the simulations is to find (and then test-run) the ideal time to invade.
This is going to lead to a couple of very interesting episodes I think! The *real* Doctor now knows that at some point they are coming – and when they do, they’ll have already ‘test invaded’ hundreds of different simulated earths…
Presumably they’ll have already been defeated multiple times too (Probably by various shadow-doctors) – though to no great consequence to themselves, they’ll have merely ended that simulation and tried again on another… and another… and another… like Groundhog Day! Until of course they’ll have eventually succeeded in one and will therefore use exactly the same tactics they employed on that one when they invade the real Earth!!
That means during the real invasion, everything the Doctor attempts they’ll have already predicted and have an immediate counter for… Blimey! How do you write your way out of that?!
I can only think of one possibility for Earth victory here… And that’s if one of the shadow-doctors during the multiple test-invasions works out he’s in a simulation and chooses to deliberately let the invasion succeed, rather than orchestrating some clever maguffin that would foil it… therefore convincing the aliens they’ve found the correct way to win, have them end all the simulations, have them invade the real earth and then allow the *real* doctor to employ the maguffin they knew nothing about!!
Makes your head hurt doesn’t it?
Good stuff though, even if the baddies do like they’re all off to a Thundercats themed party dressed as Mum-Ra.
21 May 2017 at 08:35 #57759“Why and how did the Veritas come into being? It seems rather illogical for a villain to create a shadow universe to test taking over the world, only to leave a way to tip the simulations off about the storm coming.” @bendubz11
They couldn’t not though. It was very briefly covered by the VR Doctor during a quick exchange with the VR Bill towards the end. He stated that even the most advanced and realistic of simulations always had one fatal flaw – that being that could never be *truly* random and as such generating random numbers within them was impossible… (an actual problem computer game designers have – random generation of numbers is never random, they merely pull from a string of pre-set ones).
So basically within one (or possibly even all) of the simulations the aliens had running there eventually came a simulated being who worked out they were living in a fake-reality and could prove it by doing a random number test. The aliens couldn’t really do anything about this, it was just part of the simulation playing out as it would have done in “real” life. Time is probably quite abstract in these simulations but basically in most of them an individual had worked out the truth a hundred plus years ago and had transcribed it into a book – “The Vertitas” – which then became closely guarded and hidden away, not by the aliens themselves (who don’t technically interfer with how the simulation plays out) but by other individuals within the simulation itself, in an attempt to protect themselves from what knowing the truth does.
Just joined up by the way! Hello!
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