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    Merry Xmas everyone!

    I wanted to find a song that somehow encapsulated the feelings of people estranged from loved ones.

    But that was a bit hard.

    So I opened my music player and searched for “love”.
    Which brought me this lovely song by Bjork, a song that suggests (although it may feel different) Love is all around, although maybe not from the directions you’re expecting.
    Even though its lyrics suggest that the person being sung to is at a point where they can’t see the love (which isn’t right for people here) I was happy enough with that choice, but I had posted it here before (maybe for a previous xmas).

    So I kept scrolling down the songs it had found for “love”.

    Now, this is not what I was thinking of posting.
    Its not some treatise on how we all need to love each other (and ourselves!).
    Its not about love bringing us a joy that the world would somehow seem to want us not to have.


    Its quite shallow, although {ahem} deep in some ways.

    Its also funky as hell.

    If you’re not moving or smiling after this then…. well, find some music that does ‘cos I’m out of ideas!


    God Jul from Copenhagen

    (I posted a vinyl video not because I’m a vinyl junkie – I only have CDs – but its a bit crisper and I remember there is a member here who has a very extensive vinyl collection and might enjoy!)

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    ah @blenkinsopthebrave – good times indeed!
    Love kd lang (though don’t listen to her enough – or maybe I just don’t indulge on a rich wine too often!)

    which made me find another beautiful voice…

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    hello all – long time reader seldom (recently) poster….

    here’s something to start us off in terms of spooky stuff for Halloween.
    Maybe I should’ve started with something shorter and sillier but…

    hey ho.

    Hey whoooooooooo….

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    hi all,

    just wanted to post something here which:
    – wasn’t because anyone died

    … erm that was it.

    When the Doctor returns, I’m sure she’ll inspire better and more relevant music


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    Just read the same article about Dan Martin.
    So sad for him to die so young.

    My heart goes out to his loved ones, as well as those his passion and enthusiasm touched.

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    Peter Green is someone who I don’t know enough about.

    Realising that there are a multitude of artists who held him in high regard, it just makes me realise I have to visit his work.

    BB King said generous things about his tone which is kinda incredible and though I don’t know what BB King was responding to, here is Peter Green live

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    So Happy 4th of July.

    I watched the Wattstax doc recently and so am on a bit of a funk thang.

    This is just fun (and I seem to recognise lines and samples from it maybe)

    simply enjoy!

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    Hi @blenkinsopthebrave – yes I believe I did but it was a while ago.

    Did I not already mention them and Picard and thank you for the advice??

    Blimey – I’m bad if not.
    Now then, I’d have to dig out my notes about the episodes though (and with all the pre-moving malarky I might’ve ermmm… ‘cleaned them up’)


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    So, been watching Devs (an Alex Garland TV series).

    Kinda ‘cold’ in a way, but also austere/ beautiful/ elegant.

    Maybe elegant is what he was aiming at.
    No spoilers from me, but overall I enjoyed it – not “oh my gawd you must watch this!” but still, glad I saw it.

    But here’s a couple of tracks from it/ that made me think ‘ooh, is that..?’

    There was a bit of Garbarek/ Hilliard ensemble Officium.
    There was also Reich Come Out.
    It was odd to me that I recognised quite a bit of the references and I’m not that steeped in this music, so… not sure whether they plumped for “they’ll know this reference” or not. But I’m definitely within the catchment of the show.

    Anyway there was this and I’m sure I’m playing to the gallery here (though I didn’t know this one!:

    And maybe this too I think is either in it, or the things that influenced it are in it.
    (I forst heard Caroline Shaw waay late in a Stewart Copeland BBC thing and still think it feels a little show-offy but there are moments where I think ‘yeah! that worked!’)

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    I am so sorry for your loss.
    What you recognised in Moffat’s words (a line I hadn’t remembered) are spot on.

    Please take care – you know far more than I will ever know about loss.
    My brother (always far wiser than I) warned me about the waves after losing someone.

    I’ll never forget that forewarning, nor be able to thank him enough.

    Take care.

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    That is an awesome live track by Kraftwerk.
    So rhythmic, dancey, pulsating yet controlled.
    And with all that, its not a cold, robotic sound – there’s a ton of warmth in it.


    and I’ve never heard of or any Hugh Le Caine.
    And yes its obvious that the sounds are similar (especially in this track). But I love how Kraftwerk brought a… I don’t know the right word… ‘pastoral’? ‘organic'(?) quality to their music.
    Its got a pulse in every sense.

    Oh and the Bowie one was hilarious and slightly demented (which is also a good thing)


    Thanks so much for sharing

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    hey @thane16 old and young – I’m doing well thanks.

    And that’s quite enough about me!


    Here’s something I found simply by searching my iTunes for relevant words…

    kinda pretty (not their best evah etc etc, but pretty is quite ok right now).

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    Little Richard has died.

    I tend to only embed one song even if I link to several.
    Not this time.
    Here’s three.

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    @craig – I just saw the news and logged in to say something similar.

    Massively influential.

    I first heard Kraftwerk (maybe like many in UK) from watching a Tomorrow’s World (popular technology/ culture programme).

    Now this is insane – if the video title is to be believed I was 4 when I saw this but I remember it clearly.

    I thought “wow” (and wondered “I love it but what is it?”).
    70’s 80’s kids show (well, at least one) also lifted the sound from them.

    Then my brother had the Autobahn cassette and I probably wore it out while reading rubbish books like Han Solo’s Revenge.
    When I was… 10? 11?

    sigh – we had ‘fun’ (maybe) linking Kraftwerk to this season’s episodes.
    I can’t think of anything other than Autobahn to add but that’s cos I don’t know Kraftwerk’s work in depth.

    This was an “aww no..”

    And then I read that Millie Small also died.
    Influential in a different way. My Boy Lollipop was an early widely popular ska hit in UK/US (maybe wider) and certainly made a huge impact in making Jamaican music more ‘acceptable’ to a single-buying public, even if musicians were already being influenced by this new sound.
    This hit allowed the ska-influenced bands like Clash, Madness, Two Tone etc etc to be popular in a way that if there hadn’t been this single they wouldn’t have had such fertile ears/ ground.

    Thanks for posting some music simply for its joy – I need to re-engage more and link to artists rather than just when they die.

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    ah hell.

    This was the first song that sprang to mind.

    I know that Golden Brown is more famous (and possibly even had more of his involvement in the core of the songwriting).
    Hell, we even had the single.
    But the urgency and anger and fuck-you of Something Better Change just seems… well, maybe its always appropriate whatever the world is going through.

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    @thane16 – so good to hear from you thane-the-elder.

    Thane-the-younger’s hunt for work can be hard on the soul.
    I’ve recently gone through a long bout of not having work.
    I was fine, but there were quite a few “nah’s” to my CV that I thought “hold on, I really do know what you need and reckon I could do that”.

    Luckily I’ve found something now (weirdly it’ll involve me re-locating to Denmark! No idea how that will work with the lockdown – until the move happens I’ll be working from home over skype/ zoom/ email/ blah blah).

    But just to say – I remember being underemployed in my ‘first’ career and after a bout of unemployed in my second I know how hard it can be on the confidence.

    I’ve no wisdom in this. There are few lessons I can think of.

    Its shit.

    But then you hear a comedian, look at some art, hear some music, make something grow, fix something, help someone…

    My brother who is far far wiser than I (I have two brothers but one tends to come out with things I think are wise) says that in the evening he tries to think of 3 ‘good’ things he’s done that day.
    This as a prompt to be better tomorrow, but also as a salve for all the crap he’s had to wade through that day.

    I think 3 things every day is a high target!


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    Hi @jabru

    Thank you so much for sharing this.
    I know it may sound blasphemous, but I think I prefer your own mixes!

    I really liked the Dub version (I don’t think of myself as a dub-head or anything, but I liked the contrast of ‘bottom’ as well as the sharper clicks and shimmers). The more D&B one too.

    But kudos to you for getting the remix as it means someone with faaaaaaar more musical insight than I rates your music too!


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    In many ways you’re right.
    Life isn’t ‘fair’.

    y’know, that’s kinda about it.
    It ain’t.

    There are wiser folks than I who have built on the wisdom of people over millennia, so I’ll let people that understand that wisdom share it.

    Life ain’t fair. I try to roll with the punches.
    The ones that hurt, hurt.
    I don’t think I ‘learn’ much from them.

    But when I see something glorious, when I hear something joyful, when I step back or lean forward and realise afterwards “yes… THIS!” then I try to hang on to that feeling as its a great feeling.

    That feeling won’t stop the next punch I need to roll.

    But I try to not only remember the punches.

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    Hi @all

    I now realise we watched this years ago!
    [gulp – where does the time go??!!??]

    I stumbled across this podcast a week or two ago.

    Its an easy-going listen.
    There’s some nice mentions on the writing (Moffat / Gatiss are massive fans of Neale), as well as where Neale’s character names may have come from, but honestly some of the insights on this forum shine a brighter light!).

    But still, Quatermasss and the Pit was great and they I’d happily watch again (hell – I’d happily listen to this podcast again!)

    (if you find you’re ‘locked out’ etc I’ll see if there’s a different legal way to listen)


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    oh – and a funny thing about the various holograms of Capt. Rios.
    Not the wandering accents {the Oirish one was… ahem} but I had an idea a couple of years ago that AI assistants like Alexa etc will develop different ‘personalities’ (voices) to answer different questions. Basically in same way that you ask different friends on different topics (eg I ask my brother for IT related stuff, people here for music related; other people here for perspectives on writing etc).
    Having one ‘personality’ (voice) answer all questions on any topic is unlike real life, and AI experiences tend to try to get closer to ‘non-digital’ analogues.
    Plus it could be easily monetised (buy the upgrade pack etc etc).
    Anyway, it made me chuckle though not for the light relief it was meant for!


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    Hi @blenkinsopthebrave

    So – I’ve gone and done it!
    I saw the two-parter then binged on Picard!
    The whole season – and I’d binge it again which is not something I’d say about most shows!


    Now before I say anything – I’d love to read a blog from you on this (or anything else).
    No pressure, but to hear from a fan would be really insightful for me, as I never ‘got into’ Star Trek or the spin-offs.
    If it was on I’d watch it and enjoy it but that’s as deep as I got.
    But that’s no different to many shows for me.
    So – to hear how this show riffs/ nods to deeper memories would of course be interesting.
    As well as that – you write well.

    But I also want to say thank you so much for nudging me to watch Picard.
    And also to watch the two parter to ‘set the scene’.

    So – I really enjoyed it.

    Two things leap to mind.
    It is beautifully shot.
    Maybe the light-flare behind the characters is a little too much at times, but usually its for the right ‘tone’ (will have to rewatch but maybe its done for ‘natural’ settings and emotional scenes) and the whole thing is drenched in colour.
    It really is beautiful to watch.

    Also – I’m reminded that I could watch Patrick Stewart do literally anything.
    Honestly, he’s incredible.

    The rest of the cast is fun/ok (although I also really liked Orla Brady) but Patrick carries it.

    I’ll admit I was a little tired of the exceptionalism of everything, but its something Who also suffers from. Maybe its a genre thing, but not every enemy has to be the ‘most’ secret secret police, the ‘greatest’ hand-to-hand fighters, but that’s just a quibble.
    After the first episode or so, I was in some ways hoping for an even-more ruminative piece. But the show jerked me out of that – as he says himself, he was ‘waiting to die’ and needed to live.
    So, as ever I’m proved wrong even while watching!

    And definitely agree it spoke to the present very well. Starfleet ‘retreated’ into itself, it lost something of its purpose, its focus on the good of everyone. And although that was a tad sickly (maybe even more uncomfortable than that) it came from the right place.

    So, overall really liked it and happy to hear thoughts from someone who is more deeply connected to the show.

    Thanks again for nudging!

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    ah – just logged in to say something inconsequential and now read that Tim Brooke Taylor has died.

    Was gonna post something vaguely Easter-y for music (though I’d missed timing it for stuff I should have done!). But also something completely unrelated.

    I loved Tim Brooke Taylor in a non-specified ‘part-of’my-childhood-and-adult-life’ way.
    Always so full of joy and silliness. But the smart and innocent kind of silliness.

    Like Chapman’s younger brother (and that’s a me conflating memories as I watched and loved the Goodies way before I watched Python).

    ffs and ecky thump.


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    hey @craig – that’s great!
    My brother bought me a framed ‘number-1-single-on-your-birthday too (not a clock though!)

    No photo (erm… where did I put it??) but here it is:

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    you think I wouldn’t give you THIS ONE?????!!???

    c’mon….. pretty sure its a fave of yours


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    Hi @craig

    My maths is usually wrong but I think that this was number one when you were born.

    And actually, I think this sums you up as well (and possibly the thoughts of those here who are here because of you, too)

    Happy Birthday

    (I chose the live version as maybe has a bit more warmth if that’s possible!)

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    @craig – a belated Happy Birthday.

    Left you something on the jukebox…

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    @thane16 – soooooo good to hear from you. Really really good. Hope you’re keeping well.

    @miapatrick – really sorry to hear about your situation. I have no wise words, or advice or anything of use. Others here have said far wiser and compassionate things so just know that even the tongue-tied and those who never post and simply read are thinking of you.

    @blenkinsopthebrave – happened to me too (off-licence that is!). I’m bereft. [btw should put it on appropriate thread but not yet seen Picard – need to find a few days I can max-out the free CBS trial to see the relevant STNG episodes!]

    Great to see other names here again too.

    Here in my area of London its a mixed picture. Streets are pretty empty. Orderly distanced queues waiting to get into corner shops and chemists. But a major park closed and too many people (like me!) thinking a walk on the canal would be good exercise (sadly can’t do that again!).

    Last night the 8pm applause I only heard about 10mins before while watching the news.
    Leaned out the window and was amazed to hear the cheers, clapping, whistling (I added some of my own).
    My area is quite mixed (£1+m apartments; council flats; quite even mix of ‘social grades’ etc); people don’t know their neighbours (even next door flat) so to hear so many people clapping and whistling and cheering and then hooting horns… was quite amazing. Never heard something like that before – closest would be New Year’s but that’s groups of people, parties etc.

    I hope our appreciation extends beyond a crisis. I hope the Tories never use the words “economically valuable” when talking about immigration ever again. I won’t hold my breath.

    Stay safe everyone

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    I know I’m massively late on this but just watched DotD and loved it completely (again).

    Maybe its unfair to compare it to the recent couple of seasons as it feels like a ‘special’ but…. ah, the warmth of writing and acting is just enveloping.

    But also the switches of emotion.

    And as others have said – Hurt’s Doctor is instant. Not sure any have achieved that except Hartnell.

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    ahh, I have Music to attend to!
    I’ve already managed to share both the teacher-guitar-player and Lehrer!

    Not sure who to share REM with (stop sniggering at the back!) but will enjoy it nonetheless!

    As the DoTD will be something to entertain people over next couple of days I’ll ration my music posts but just had to thank @blenkinsopthebrave ‘s link to a wonderful Canadian resource!

    here’s a nice tune I guess….

    But perhaps the title of this one is more in touch with the times:


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    So, while walking through Trafalgar Square on Friday and seeing it empty(!) I got a shock.
    But I can only imagine that that will be amplified over the coming weeks.

    Now…. @mudlark has shown me that it is possible to do humour and a message but.. I’m a simple person, so here is all I got.

    fwiw I thought this music was simply from ’28 Days Later’ but on looking for this, it seems it was originally from ‘Day of the Dead’ and was a meta reference.
    Who’dve thought about media-meta-references… certainly not Doctor Who!


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    @mudlark – bravo!

    and there was me wondering whether the choon I was about to put on the Music thread might be…. problematic.

    fuck it. We need a laugh AND we need to know what fucking egregious stupidity is being done to us.

    the music is mainly a laugh though, so thanks for the ‘these arseholes are killing you because they don’t’.


    But you managed both the message and the humour – I need to raise my game….

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    Hi @bluesqueakpip – sorry to hear you’re having to self-isolate.

    Its being referred to as “social distancing” but is more accurately “physical distancing”.
    We shouldn’t socially distance ourselves and thankfully that is one of the strengths of online (and this forum!).
    Hope you feel better soon.

    And @nerys – although your symptoms do sound slightly different, its still horrible having a cold. Hope you feel better soon and also that you see your parents at some point this year.

    I haven’t stocked up. I will pick up some pasta etc (if I can find any!).

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    So, an odd post for people that have died recently.

    Max Von Sydow – titan of acting. I only know of one musical piece that his voice is used in.
    Its good, but probably better to remember him through his work!

    “Klytus I’m booooored…. What plaything can you offer me today?”

    Also after mentioning Industrial music I had thought to mention Throbbing Gristle.
    However yesterday Genesis P Orrige passed away (or laid down their body).
    Its not music that is easy to share, so I won’t inflict it (especially as I don’t listen to it myself!). But still, a passing worth mentioning.

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    ah – I thought I’d come to the Pub to say a shout out then realise I forgot to mention Sydow!
    I will make amends to him and another on the Music thread.

    All I wanted to say is that I know that everyone will be having to deal in different ways with the Covid-19 pandemic. Some here will be at risk more than others, but we all can help through hygiene (wash your hands whenever you can with soap eg when entering a building/ home etc) and self-isolation if feeling even slightly ill (when that’s the advice relevant to your specific situation – ie for some of us here it might be go straight to emergency services).

    This situation will be affecting us acutely for the next year, so just wanted to say take care everyone, take care of others locally, and hope everyone stays safe.

    sorry – too many words.
    Don’t wash your hands of others.
    Wash your hands for others.

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    maybe it was this (but with more ‘clang’) – but maybe it wasn’t Depeche Mode at all that I’m thinking of.

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    Hi @peacefrog – apologies for delay in responding!

    Loved the Charlie Brown / Pink Floyd mashup!
    Before I heard it I was wondering “oh my god, the characters sung this??!?” which led to thoughts of the Langley Project! And then I thought “actually that’d fit with Floyd in terms of Another Brick in the Wall!

    I’m sure someone’s done it – but I must Google harder!


    Yes the Industrial music sounds I mentioned were the music that accompanied the Cybermen in recent episodes. There’s a definite ‘clang’ sound that I know but can’t find the song I know it from.
    I’m not big into the German Industrial scene (eg Neu!) so although I’m sure the sound is there I doubt that’s where my memory is. Hence me thinking it must be more mainstream like Depeche Mode.
    But although I like them I’m not deeply into them so… ah well. I’m sure someone will learn me!

    Anyway, in terms of DM here’s an obvious one with shades of the ‘clang’ if not the thing that’s rattling around in my head (my memory is probably from DM music from a mate from Uni days but that was all on cassette!)

    Thanks for the Ministry though!

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    Interesting discussion – thanks @phaseshift for the insight into ‘franchise’.
    And thanks @bluesqueakpip for giving me reasons to be a bit kinder to this story (arc?).

    For me, I like that Whittaker’s Doctor has developed over two series. I think it was conscious – almost a reverse of what they’d planned for Colin Baker.
    For WhitDoc she’s Fizzy at first. Now she shows Fission. Perhaps Fury in Series 3?!
    Agree with you it feels like a planned 3 series Arc (forgive me if you didn’t mean that).

    I’m still a bit uncomfortable that the Doctor is ‘super’/ ‘special’ in some way (more than being a TL!).
    I always thought part of the charm was that the Doctor was considered a somewhat mediocre Timelord, but who showed their qualities through kindness, heroism, selflessness (while also being tetchy, selfish, pompous etc). A ‘renegade TL’, a rebel. We can all identify with that (especially if we ourselves don’t rebel).
    Just feels a bit ‘oh s/he was special all along – maybe their virtues are due to their specialness, not their decency in overcoming their background’.

    I’m also really a bit mixed with how I see her deal with violence in this series. I guess the First Doctor had their rock, and selfishness. Now we have a pre-Hartnell Doctor that is fine with guns, viciously ripping horns off Judoon and allowing Ko Sharma to kill all life on Gallifrey.
    Unlike Blue I don’t see the Doctor learning to allow Ko Sharma to take responsibility for his actions.
    I see it as giving up on saving Cybermen and Master (oh well) but far worse in killing all life on the planet. While watching I assumed Shobogans were still alive and maybe miniaturised TLs ‘saved’ by the Master for use by the Cybermen.
    I guess it doesn’t feel a natural development for this Doctor, but I’ll re-read Blue’s logic and maybe it’ll win me over.

    However, what is really good is that Whittaker is playing the Doctor in a nuanced way now and I like that. Also Chibnall did seed much of the final denouement through the series (DNA tampering, mind-wipes, everyone-seems-to-be-the-Doctor, etc). [btw Ko Sharmas had a very Doctor-ry hand flutter over the controls before being told not to touch!]. The production especially of the finale is incredible (maybe a lot of focus and effort went into the first and last two-parters and poor ol’ Orphan 55 was left… an orphan).

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    So – The Timeless Children.

    Peacefrog has already done The Robots earlier this series so I’ll do the song I’ve held back on as I assumed we’d get to Gallifrey.

    btw enjoyed the Industrial theme for these Cybermen again.
    May post some more Industrial music like that!

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    So… must admit I agree with so much of what @jimthefish (and @badwolfalice ) said.
    I think it’ll be retconned soon enough, but that’s a writer’s preserve (maybe that the child was a TL child dropped back through time eg the Great Boundary; so a paradox, seeding the ability to regenerate upon themselves).
    They’re adding ‘mystery’ as they wanted to do around McCoy’s time (is this a version of Cartmel??).

    There are odd inconsistencies but no odder than most stories(!) [though I dislike her running away to allow Ko Sharma to kill everything on Gallifrey – that feels very wrong to not allow/stop him from doing that – she gave him the bomb]

    I agree the Lone Cyberman had a lot more potential but then, that’s maybe because he was the Cyberman’s Davros.
    I’ll admit that I don’t much like Dhawan’s Master – I happen to dislike whispering on a mike and with that added to his over-the-top-ness, its just not as interesting as what Gomez gave.

    But the Doctor’s aim is “to make a difference”. Fair enough.

    Someone was asking about Tectuin’s name and it sounding similar to someone – maybe the Great A’Tuin or an Aztec god…

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    though my link-stepping now leads me to Cybotron with its very Kraftwerk-esque piano chords (synths?) and overall sound (though a lot more dance-y).

    Its electro – so connects to Tesla too…

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    So – Ascension of The Cybermen

    I’ll go with this as the soundtrack had a definite clang/ industrial techno but not too weird edge to it.

    However I could also have gone with this one from Depeche Mode (there may be even more appropriate songs by them). But this one does deal with getting through bad times and having support to get through those. Its a great track.

    oh, and yes, the Metal on Metal track by Kraftwerk was sampled on this by Afrika Bambaataa.
    An absolute classic.

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    Lots to say about this episode but mainly I really liked it. Pacing was better, several strands but easy enough to follow each.

    So this week’s episode was brought to you by the subject Religious Fundamentalism, refugees are ordinary people, and the sound of metal (I’ll do that on Music Thread).

    The Lone Cyberman is great. He is a believer. He volunteered (to be upgraded). He was rejected (shades of “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone” ?)
    But now believes he is “chosen”, the “perfect vessel” for the “death of everything is within me”. What is that death to everything…? Just being an even ‘better’ Cyberman that can feel emotion – which in his case is hate? [hope not as that’s what the Daleks are!].

    Brendan – the Boy in the lane.
    While watching I had thought the Doctor had left him (that would be revealed at the end of the story), but when at the end of the episode his father and the Gardaí took him in (appearing as they looked 40 years before he looked like this), then I thought “is Brendan something that needs to experience human life and then repeat that?” perhaps in order to learn what humans are – their emotions – and how to defeat them.
    Maybe his life is purely virtual and not real (the sepia glow being even more appropriate).

    His ‘torture’ is reflected in the Cybermens’ torture by the Lone Cyberman “that makes other Cybermen scream”.
    Brendan’s having his memories wiped (!!) they’re having their memories returned.

    In Utopia Professor Yama said that he was discovered as a baby (on the coast of the Silver Devastation – which could then be fudged/ retconned to Cyber massacre?). And his watch/ Brendan’s clock…? But… nah.

    The Boundary – refuge for whoever approaches (so Doctor sees Gallifrey).
    Ko Sharmas as guide/ psychopomp(?) (especially with that Druid-y staff).
    Now I read here that its the same actor as ol’ Brendan?? Really? erm… not sure what to make of that!

    But beginning to think that the Master really is The Wizard of Oz…

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    @craig – thanks for that anecdote. I appreciate how his ear picks up on stuff (though absolutely not saying mine could). In fact I appreciate it because my ears couldn’t!
    Your posting of both tracks for me really showed that too.
    The Guardian linked to various tracks; they’re all dance/ dubby and most are new to me 30ish years later, but they’re all really good. Two Lone Swordsmen especially – and I’m not even a clubber as I know you are. I was only ever on the fringiest of fringes and would probably say “ooh, I like the Orb” and then get told “yeah – Weatherall’s part of that too”.
    He had an ear and could hear something that could become something else.
    A sad loss.

    I’m now lost in Youtube listening to Happy Mondays – Hallejujah and even James Come Home remix.

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    btw… has anyone been keeping check (or stripe!) on the Doctor’s clothes?

    I noticed that she was wearing a Fourth Doctor-esque striped scarf at the end of this episode.
    I haven’t been looking too closely in other episodes and before I do (or fail to do!) if anyone else has then pile in and mention!


    Maybe its nothing but… maybe there are clues (oh for the days of Blue and Red!)


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    The Haunting of Villa Diorati.

    Seems Chibnall has remembered his overarching Kraftwerk connection…

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    @craig – christ I can smell that weird perfumey smell from the dry ice like it was last night.
    I must’ve danced to it loads.
    Mates had the album and I just couldn’t figure how that band that I was never that impressed with now sounded so damn funky/ dancey.
    Thanks for the link to the original song as shows what an amazing ear Weatherall had to find/ create something original out of that track.
    Far too young and still making great music.

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    I enjoyed this one too.
    I liked that tonally the guests and Doctor and Companions were quite distinct. For me that worked.
    Also agree with @blenkinsopthebrave that the pacing was better (and allowed them to split up but not to the point of splitting storylines).

    Also loved the line “Is it too late to choose another group?”

    Agree also that some bits jarred but overall enjoyed this one.

    Off to post the obvious music (Chibnall seems to have remembered the music-thread that links this series!)


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    so, I’m assuming “Can You Hear Me?” is a reference to a song.
    There are loads of songs with this title but looking at some of the lyrics they don’t seem particularly linked to the episode themes (so no links from me to Bowie or The Who!).

    I did find this – it ain’t really my ‘thing’ but its ok (yessirree I can damn with faint praise!).


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    I’ve not really been commenting much on the episodes.
    Usually everyone here covers all (and then much more!!) of my thoughts.

    Oddly with this episode I find myself agreeing with @jimthefish but also with those more disposed toward it.
    Personally I found the Graham and Doctor interaction at the end jarring, but not because of past Doctors and how they might have handled it.
    To be honest I don’t mind Doctors differing wildly from one regeneration to the next. Is Davison like Pertwee?
    But I thught I’d seen Whittaker very empathic in previous episodes (maybe last season) so it felt odd for her to be unable to interact.
    However maybe that’s my bad memory as I don’t have examples to hand!

    I guess overall for me this episode was ‘better than some’ of this series (which is hardly insightful, which is why I’ve mainly been struggling to think of music tie-ins!)

    In terms of arc… I can absolutely see one or two or even all the companions being separated from the Doctor (an each other!) at the end of this series (though maybe not separated forever).

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