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    Whisht @whisht

    So, I’ll admit that I didn’t much enjoy watching Rosa (to be wanting to hit fast-forward during the “you get the maps, you get the..” scene when I’m thinking ‘Tardis?’) is not a great sign.
    Some lovely bits of acting (Graham, Rosa), but also some duff acting (alien villain) and as a whole its not one I’ll watch again.
    However, as that’s not really particularly insightful commentary (is it ever?) I’ll restrict myself to the Music thread.
    Now, I just don’t think I want to treat an important subject with ‘silly’ so here is what I dredged up in my library:
    A silly band doing a ‘serious’ song:

    A serious band doing a… song (and thinking of the times, this would’ve been pretty provocative)

    syzygy @thane16


    No I haven’t & I desperately want to. Right now, I can see a movie theatre across the way. It’s one huge thing with 13 cinemas and probably smells of popcorn but I would brave even that. Except it was released in May, I think.

    Is it directed by Favreau of Marvel Inc? Because Alan Silvestri works with ‘Marvel Doods’ a lot of the time. I’m most likely wrong about that and can’t properly check as internet pretty spotty at the mo.’

    Someone mentioned it had the song ‘Jump’ in it. So, for that alone, how could I stay away?

    Silvestri wrote the music for Contact and another fav, Polar Express. I’ve seen, thanks to Spawn, Polar Express about 60 times. One Christmas he watched it at least 3 times a day and then every other day. It was important that we ALL sat and watched it too. ((*\*))

    I’m a Mark Rylance fan so I’m pretty sure he’s in Ready Player.


    Cath Annabel @cathannabel

    @whisht Yay, Steel Pulse!  Loved their Handsworth Revolution album.  Loads of passionate political pop around at that era, good times.  I’d say we need a resurgence of that kind of movement, but the singles charts don’t have the power they had back in the days when a song such as Ghost Town would be in the charts and everyone would know it and have seen the video and be talking about it.

    syzygy @thane16

    @whisht @cathannabel That sounds terrific -Steel Pulse. And perfect for ‘Rosa.’

    Bela Fleck loved that New Grass Revival. In fact Steel Pulse reminds me a bit of Victor Wooten.

    And Prokofiev…The Love of Three Oranges  discussed by a new member on ‘Rosa’ Thread. We’ve got the oranges in Graham, Yaz and the Doctor…There was a reference in Willie Lynch’s book (says T16) to whites supporting African American equality as being “oranges.”

    So we come full circle.

    @cathannabel Thing is, & this is more T16’s area, but songs by devoted Lil’ Pump fans will post on his video with 2 million hits in a matter of days. Everyone talks about it. Everyone dies their hair to look like gummy worms. Others like Machine Gun Kelly will respond and….then it goes nuclear. But please don’t Google Lil’ Pump -he’s a mumble-rapper and it’s really not worth it. Although, I have to say, the comments which arrive a few weeks after the crazies have vanished, are very funny indeed proving that some youboob-posters have a brain. 🙂

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    So – anyone see this?

    Craig @craig

    @bluesqueakpip Ha ha. I woke up to that in my Twitter feed this morning and was going to post it. Very funny, and actually quite good (although I know nothing about dancing). The theme was well done.

    geoffers @geoffers

    @thane16 – alas, i couldn’t find any spider-related ELP songs to post, for the most recent ep… 😀

    but, i thought it would be rude not to link the song that segun akinola name-checked, so here’s some snarky puppy! any influence herein that could be/has been fit into the show’s soundtrack is welcome, from my point of view!

    geoffers @geoffers

    @bluesqueakpip – So – anyone see this?

    so – how do i un-see it, now?

    Is ThIs ThE hUmaN aCtiViTy KnoWn As “DaNcInG?” DELETE! DELETE!


    EXTERMIN… oh, bother…


    geoffers @geoffers

    one for everyone, unrelated to arachnids anywhere… on earth! i found this in another forum a couple of nights ago, and spent the next few hours on youtube, watching videos of the extremely talented young lady, aurora aksnes, who’s featured in it. she’s covering “nature boy,” which has lyrics so very apropos to the doctor, i think. such a great choice for this fan-made trailer…

    and here’s her full version of the song…

    Craig @craig

    @geoffers What I liked about the ‘Strictly…’ dance was that after 3 episodes, Whittaker’s look is already iconic enough to be part of a Halloween special.

    geoffers @geoffers

    @craig – oh, i agree about the look (though i wonder if a tango in the coat and pants would really have been much harder?), and the theme arrangement was done well, i was just horrified by cyber-kevin… and glitter (?) on the tardis!

    i do imagine there’s been a nice spike in the number of doctor themed costumes this halloween, because of the show being back, and more thirteen costumes (and a few less slutty witch/nurse outfits) can only be a good thing. but is halloween a thing in britain, too? or just an excuse for dancers to dress up a bit extra?

    Mudlark @mudlark


    is halloween a thing in britain, too?

    Increasingly so over the past three or four decades, with the importation of customs such as elaborate dressing up, usually in something spookily appropriate, and the practice of trick-or-treat. Not so much when I was growing up in the 1940s and 50s, although we did sometimes have parties in a room decorated appropriately, with traditional games such as bobbing for apples and the telling of ghost stories in the dark, the sole illumination being a torch (flashlight) uplighting the narrator. At intervals during the telling of the tale,  props would be passed around to be handled, such as links of raw sausages for intestines and peeled grapes for eyeballs.

    Far more important in our calendar was the celebration of November 5th, with fireworks and a bonfire with a home made effigy of Guy Fawkes on top, sausages roasted on the bonfire, potatoes baked in the embers of the bonfire and eaten with salt and butter and, for those of us from the northern counties of England, parkin (a kind of gingerbread made with oatmeal) and home-made treacle toffee, known as ‘plot toffee’.

    In Yorkshire there used to be (possibly still is) a custom known as mischief night , but this was associated with  the evening of November 4th, not Halloween. Children would disguise themselves, traditionally by cross-dressing, and go round playing pranks on the neighbours. There was a similar tradition in Northern Ireland when I lived there in the early 70s.

    geoffers @geoffers

    @mudlark – TIL! thank you, i had no idea it existed outside the u.s., and thought maybe it was spreading due to technology erasing borders, or some such. but i’m a bit oblivious, in general, having had a rather repressive upbringing…

    At intervals during the telling of the tale,  props would be passed around to be handled, such as links of raw sausages for intestines and peeled grapes for eyeballs.

    this would have been fantastic fun, if it had ever crossed over to us! (and maybe it did, somewhere else in the u.s., idk?) i only remember trick or treating a few years (only 1 or 2 x-masses, as well) as a young teen, and we were certainly too poor to afford costumes, at any rate. i did 1 dress-up for halloween in my early twenties (for my gf, for work), but it was a huge social challenge for me, and i never tried it, again (the gf situation didn’t last, either)…

    so, consequently (and unfortunately), celebrations, parties, social and/or dancing events have never been my cuppa, so to speak…

    The Macra @themacra

    Gawd Blimey! Brain of Morbius are reforming for 1 gig only at 100 club, London



    Cath Annabel @cathannabel

    @mudlark We had Mischievous Night in Nottinghamshire in the early 70s – I’m pretty sure it was on 31 October rather than 4 November?  No dressing up, just ringing people’s doorbells and running away, that sort of thing.  Or at least that was as much as we ever got up to – I dare say others were bolder/less scared of getting caught!  We never did anything for Halloween that I can recall – I’m not sure when that started to be a thing over here – certainly by the time my children were growing up (20 years ago) it was a pretty big deal.


    About the music:

    The dude did his research.

    Whisht @whisht

    so, here’s something for @juniperfish ‘s and others’ thoughts on WhitDoc’s character being related to Light.

    I can’t believe I haven’t linked to this before but not sure.
    If you know the track below then this is an interesting Live version.

    But here’s the original album version

    Whisht @whisht

    I’m not sure how I missed adding this to The Woman Who Fell To Earth as songs.

    This is the Album track which is worth hearing first (if you’ve not heard it before).

    This is Elbow at a BBC event doing it with an orchestra.
    Though its much the same to begin with, I do suggest sticking with it if you like the song as… well, for me the extra ‘backing’ (ie orchestration) towards the end pays dividends.

    (and if anyone who knows about orchestration might want to tell me what they think, then it could help help me to understand why I keep tearing up at toward the end)

    Whisht @whisht

    So, for Demons in the Punjab, I had already thought about linking to this track simply due to the name of it (ie Yasmin the Light).

    However the album cover and other parts of that album may also be reflective of some of the themes (even if its a band I don’t much listen to anymore and find a bit… juvenile? Unsubtle?).

    Anyway, this is probably worth a re-listen

    geoffers @geoffers

    @whisht – thanks for linking the end theme, you beat me to it! it took me a couple of seconds to realize why it sounded so familiar…

    this was also the moment that i thought, for the first time this series, “i can’t wait to hear this (and whatever else) on the soundtrack release.”  🙂

    syzygy @thane16

    Stan Lee of Marvel died  🙁  I might be new to this news.

    @whisht 6/8 time can do it. Reminds me of a few great Beatles songs.

    sweeping up-lift in the choral ‘backing’ as well the music modulating upwards with each set; overtones are also used;  a lovely crescendo leading to —–>  ff (fortissimo) and symmetry within the percussion, strings and choral voices.  Helps when the strings bow carefully. And actually listen to the sound they produce.

    Solo voice unbalanced a bit -but a small problem easily addressed.


    Whisht @whisht

    Hi @thane16Puro so glad you’re feeling (at least a bit) better!
    Thank you so much for the insight into why the live orchestration works (for me at least) so well.

    I’m used to the album version of that Elbow song and like it a lot. It has a particular tone I think works and I don’t think too hard about what the song’s about or even why I like it.
    When I heard the BBC live version it starts off very similarly – maybe a bit of extra timpani! – and I settled in to a ‘faithful’ (just as restrained early-on) performance.

    Then there were a few parps of brass around half way and I think “hmm… I like this depth” then as they’re coming into the home straight(!) as you say the crescendo builds and then… the choir.
    For me their introduction is a crystal-bright emotionally-charged illumination – a gorgeous difference to the album version, which is mainly washes of cymbal and synths (I think) though great in its own way.
    As you can see – I’m mainly surface!!

    What I love about visual art as much as music, is seeing/hearing something where I smile/marvel at the artists’ choices.
    For the BBC Elbow piece, the band or orchestrator chose not to use the choir or brass until the end.
    If I’d had access to that sound, I would’ve wanted to use them from the outset and built them up to get moremoremore from the whole sonic assault! *
    Which wouldn’t have been as effective as the ‘surprise’.
    And is why I’m not in a band!

    I guess I just like to appreciate (when I can and when others illuminate things for me) the artistic choices for what is done and what is not done as much as the artistic execution (ie ability in acting/writing/directing/ musicianship or mark-making in art).

    Which is why I appreciate your insights and still love reading liner-notes, still love Arbutus’ thoughts… (and still like everyone else’s insights into writing/history/philosophy/direction/acting/personal-experience etc).


    Whisht @whisht

    I should probably be a bit more methodical, or organised or… whatever.

    But here’s a tune for Rosa.

    Not something I naturally expected to pop up in my ‘shuffle’ but had that wave of finger-imaginary-piano-tapping nostalgia and realised it was relevant.
    Somethings will never change… “but don’t you believe it”

    syzygy @thane16

    @whisht  Love those songs you’ve added for ‘Rosa’ and others. I believe a class were listening to these odes nearing exam block & having completed the Rock’n’Roll as History unit   😉

    You express yourself very well whisht.

    T<i>hen there were a few parps of brass around half way… they’re coming into the home straight(!) as you say the crescendo builds and then… the choir…t</i><i>heir introduction is a crystal-bright emotionally-charged illumination – a gorgeous difference to the album version, which is mainly washes of cymbal and synths …though great in its own way.</i>

    Beautifully written. Crystal-bright is a great way of describing it & as you say, illumination of the original sounds in the first two parts, added to with choir & increased percussion, while still maintaining a ‘drone’ in the violins & violas, helps begin that “illumination” which is easy to lose control of too quickly, thus, as you picked up, ruining the surprise.

    Martele is a term used (also ‘martellato‘) for detaching the bow from the strings or an accented bow striking the strings in a ‘hammering’ method & the opposite of what the strings are being instructed to do here in the score/orchestration notes. Also the Ionian Mode is “happy making.”

    Definitely what you like about this is that it’s a combo of a slow pace or adagio increasing slightly but adding more volume to the tutti (meaning everyone joins in) creating a climax & a wall of sound.

    The amount of 4th-6th yr students who couldn’t use normal words to describe a listening experience was frightful.(in other words you have that ability but students deeply mired in music often don’t which is bad!) It takes intelligence and a certain amount of written and spoken knowledge to say/write exactly how a piece of music works for you & so, for others Music students tend to use only musical terminology and when asked by me to describe it without some ‘in’ expressions and terms, they looked utterly blank, but worse, sneery (that might sum up college/uni/TAFE/Advanced College of Education students all over!).

    Thing is, they don’t ‘get’ that the population enjoys listening & singing to the music they also like & many want to find out why it has that emotional or intellectual pull; unless someone is prepared to speak ‘human’ that same population group will shrug & walk away finding some else who might break it down for them.

    Often people say “music is our only common language” except, deep down, under the ‘rubbings’ of that statement, it’s a bit contradictory as different sounds don’t mean the same thing to different cultures. So a Japanese person doesn’t always hear “buzzzz” when listening to a bee & yet I, and probably you, do!  There’s a wonderful book out there, no longer published, called The Illusion of Musical Sounds or The Music Illusion…It would be a lovely preface to the recent The Knowledge Illusion.

    Puro  (hugs)



    syzygy @thane16

    @geoffers Thank you for that!! I wasn’t exactly ‘myself’…..In my gut, hind-brain (or maybe I’m thinking from the proverbial rear-end) Snarks reminds me of Bela Fleck and The Flecktones  -the mode & the Charlie ‘Bird’ Parker-isms. It’s a beautifully tight performance at 4:00 onwards till just after 5.00 where the vocal accompaniment didn’t illuminate (to use @whisht‘s excellent word)  -to me- the performance any more. It just muddied the nicely dampened percussive touches?

    But that’s just me (I’m having an attack of ‘blabber mouth’!).  Have you heard any Weedie Braimah and The Hands of Time? There’s a lovely similarity for me with the Snarks and Charles Bird.


    Whisht @whisht

    Snarky puppy – interesting – not heard them before though did see the reference on the BBC Who site.
    I’ll defer to @thane16 ‘s knowledge in terms of jazz (as I certainly didn’t get any Charlie Parker vibe).

    But I am hearing stuff/references/influences but can’t place my finger (earlobe??) on them (maybe this is a good thing that they’ve crafted something unique to themselves).

    @thane16 Puro
    I’m really glad that you’re feeling better and yes I’d kinda aimed my question at you as a way to while away any boredom during convalescence.
    But you went far and away further than that and now I’m flicking between wiki and youtube to learn more about music!
    But thanks yet again for your very very kind words and as I’m an incredibly needy person, they’re massively appreciated !!!

    Its a shame about some of your students – most of my time as a student and practitioner and manager has been spent articulating things not using the language of that sphere.
    Having said that, I am teased that I often use obtuse (too obtuse!) analogies to prod people to rethink their thinking on the brief/ design challenge!

    But I still think its the right way to encourage creative thinking, but you’ve reminded me its also helpful in encouraging creative appreciation!


    geoffers @geoffers

    @thane16 – i agree re: the vocal accompaniment on that track, it seems unnecessary to me, to mimic with voice what you could more easily do with your instrument. but i’ve long been a fan of instrumental music over “songs,” anyway, and get more so as i get older. there are plenty of great voice performers that i still enjoy, and i love discovering new ones, but if i had to choose only one style to listen to for the rest of my days, it’d be instrumental all the way. (i listen to murray gold’s soundtracks quite often, as well as ramin djawadi, and jeff russo’s ‘legion.’)

    i haven’t heard bela fleck in a long, long time. i’d forgotten about him, tbh, and i’ll def check out weedie braimah.

    as for the snarks, this is the track that hooked me (especially the keyboard jam that starts around 4:20, that puts me in mind of keith emerson’s more fantastical noodlings in old elp live bootlegs):


    geoffers @geoffers

    @whisht – i’m not as well-versed in jazz as i’d like to be, so i can’t spot the parkerisms either! but the pups sound closer to funk and rock to me, than to traditional jazz or be-bop. and not as improvised. i think the more structured nature of their tunes is part of why i love them, i don’t have to work as hard to follow what’s going on! 😀

    syzygy @thane16


    The parker-isms are probably my mis-interpretation but I feel the bebop thing & am probably the only one in the world to do so! 🙂

    When you wrote “Keith…” it was on one line and so I thought (I made a bet) you might write… Jarrett but you wrote “Emerson” so I lost…except I actually ‘won’ what with Emerson being awesome ‘n’ all. Totally get being an instrumental over vocal type. I am very close to that….. The track you linked? Fabulous, and very Jarrett and Miles Davis too. A few other hints .


    Whisht @whisht

    @geoffers – just going back to Snarky Puppy again!
    Thanks for this – really like listening to stuff I’ve not heard before.
    With Lingus especially I’ll be honest and admit that my ears still have a bit of a hard time with jazz fusion-y music.
    I guess I’m not a huge fan of “noodling” as you say(!) but also something about that particular sound and playing of keyboard (eg Corea or Zawinul) that just irritates my ear (not in a harsh way – almost its too smooth!).
    But I keep trying every once in a while in case I stumble across something that is labelled “fusion” or “Prog” but isn’t as I expected and I really like eg some of Robert Fripp’s stuff with his League of Crafty Guitarists or Funkadelic’s Maggot Brain album).

    The Shofukan has more of an ‘Eastern’/Arabic flavour (the way the early notes descend/ascend incl trumpet – Puro help me out!!) :¬)
    Then it goes noodly fusion-y (like David Sylvian might ?)

    Still listening out for be-bop that neither of us heard :¬)
    May be (probably!) I’m stretching and misremembering, but possibly Art Blakey Ugetsu?

    whole album if you like that kind of thing
    Long time since I heard that though!

    But thanks again!

    Whisht @whisht

    In terms of Kerblam! and a song….

    Well, this time I’ll be Capt Obvious and go with this:

    Yeah I know – must try harder (but it is a good track!)

    syzygy @thane16


    Ah, the Eastern vibe 🙂 Yes, absolutely you can hear some non-Western tonal music. Some of it reminds me of the Javanese Kacapi with its particular range/compositions as well as ‘idiomatic’ modes generally not favoured by rock’n’roll but enjoyed by jazz fusion artistes nonetheless.

    Puro  (yes, thank you from upthread. Am home for a pass ‘out’ and night ‘out’ and then fully home on weekend or Monday  –  the pharmacy generally closed Sundays 🙁   But all’s good.




    Well, this time I’ll be Capt Obvious

    I’ll that THAT as a challenge…

    Whisht @whisht

    he he – @pedant thanks for that, you’ve also made me think of this song about man-power* versus machine



    *its a man called John so… anyway…

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Just reading that Ennio Morricone is retiring from live performances. Every time I watch this I find it electrifying.


    Whisht @whisht

    @blenkinsopthebrave – thanks for the Ennio update (@Mudlark ‘s entropy update was also good to hear but in an entirely different way).

    The clip you linked to has a slight glitch (for me) in the audio – it just cuts out after one of the solos (around two and a half minutes in).
    So I hunted around and found this version of the same concert.

    It doesn’t have the glitch BUT it’s a montage of different movie themes from that concert and it does cut awkwardly into The Mission (ie cuts the audience applause which means that it also cuts the time to appreciate the sound and music and its echo in our heads (if you know what i mean).
    But it seems a higher audio quality.
    As I was hunting around other concerts I noticed this concert seems at a slower, more stately pace than later live recordings (and all the better for it).

    A similar theme but from another film he scored was for Once Upon a Time in America. I haven’t seen it in years (over a decade?) but I still remember when I first saw it, being in tears at the end.
    Especially the end.

    I would like to think that my musical tastes veer away from cloying and from being easily manipulated, yet listening to Morricone, it seems I fall for it every time (though maybe it helps he’s scoring incredible films).

    But then again, maybe they’re just great pieces of music.

    They even manage to make this sound good live in the open air with a crowd !

    Well that’s xmas TV sorted – both the Once Upon a Time’s *….


    * warning – contains a weirdly moving still of Claudia Cardinale**.



    ** I always intend puns.

    Whisht @whisht

    In terms of The Witchfinders I seem to have stumbled across a few songs to link to.

    Which is good news for everyone, as it means not having to wade through the album Live at the Witch Trials by the Fall.
    And even avoiding Captain Beefheart unless you’re a fan.

    So one obvious one (and knowingly playing to the gallery) Saint Kate Bush :

    But I thought I’d post a couple of other ‘magic’ related ones – well “voodoo” specifically.

    A bit of Doctor John (though not Doctor John Dee !)

    Which means I didn’t go with embedding A Guy Called Gerald’s early classic but… ah well, who likes dance music anyway!


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    if you mean that short click at about 2.10, I like to think it is the sound of Morricone’s baton accidentally striking the stand. Thus imagined, it positively enhances the live performance feel of it all!



    Let’s go s little more oblique:

    Whisht @whisht

    Hi @thane16

    Happy Birthday !!
    Hope you have a fantastic (and cool) time!

    This as brilliantly suggested by @winston

    Warning – there are spoilers in this song for subsequent years


    Whisht @whisht

    ah, oblique @pedant

    I’m not sure I’m able to offer much in terms of oblique for The Witchfinders, as I tend not to go with lyrics as much as the music, so its harder for me to ‘find’ in my collection.

    But this popped up the other day as I was walking along and I smiled thinking “maybe…?”

    Rest of the album is actually better than this track in my opinion but there you go!

    Whisht @whisht

    oh and btw @blenkinsopthebrave – I like how you manage to use glitches rather than tut about them!


    When i now hear the CD versions of songs I grew up knowing only though the ‘jumps’ in scratched vinyl it still makes me rush a beat!

    Which also is a reason to thank you as it’s reminded me to listen to this as an album rather than randomly popping up as songs.

    Absolute classic (my eldest brother and older sister still can’t decide/remember which of them bought it but whichever did had exceptional taste!)



    It occurs to me that you may be more familiar with this Heaven 17 song, which a lot of people erroneously think is Human League.

    Whisht @whisht

    oooohhh lots of synth love!

    @thane16 – for a bit of context (if you’re interested), here’s a bbc documentary that tries to show where the electronic sound of Heaven 17 and Human League (and many others!) came from.

    I can actually remember the Tomorrow’s World that featured Kraftwerk which is featured here, though I’d only be around 4.
    As its one of the few things I can remember from that long ago, it obviously made a big impression!

    Cath Annabel @cathannabel

    Everyone already knows that Heaven 17 and Human League are SHEFFIELD, yeah?  People’s Republic of South Yorkshire, from the days when the buses were subsidised and you could go for miles and miles for about 10p, and when Sheffield music ruled.  There were loads of other less well known bands (Cabaret Voltaire, In the Nursery, Clock DVA, Comsat Angels, just off the top of my head) and there was a Sheffield sound, industrial/electronic or whatever.  And later of course ABC, Pulp, Arctic Monkeys, Richard Hawley….  Really must give some thought to a specifically Sheff soundtrack to this season of Who!



    The Sheffield soundtrack is a really good point. Press on! Wasn’t Mark Kermode, the film critic, in Comsat Angels?

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord


    And, of course, the mighty but short-lived Long Blondes….

    syzygy @thane16


    On Heaven 17 Lookee! It’s Justin Beiber time travelling with eyeliner.

    Well, no, not really, as that’s offensive to musicians.


    Great doco!  @cathannabel I think I posted a comment on the Sofa or Pub about Human League/Wikipedia/Bowie etc. But I could have imagined posting it (that happens a bit).

    The thing with this Forum, is, even if some of the episodes don’t thrill some of us, some of the time, there are blogs, a Pub, a Sofa and a Music Hub.

    I haven’t caught up with latest ep. Now that it airs Sunday night in the UK (and possibly in the states. @lisa would know), it airs at 6 pm (I think) on Monday night but Thane’s been watching it on Monday morning (*cough cough never, ever, at school when there are SO many better things to watch).

    Now you know, Thane aint a dumb kid, he writes fairly well but is firmly in the Humanities area for next year (final year). Later I might head over to Pub to discuss our weird marking system -it might be the same in South Aus for @janetteb  and fam. Or not.

    Must dash and check emails.


    syzygy @thane16

    In rifling through my files I came across a song which reminded me of another. In 1684 (and we’re not even in the same decade as the Witchfinder’s James), Lully in France composed Amadis. During this period, French opera and French music had greater influence on the evolution of music, generally, and opera specifically, than English music. Most English composers during the reign of James 1 looked to France or stood squarely in their ‘own way.’  🙂  I like this verse for The Witchfinder’s, though, which roughly translates as: “Thick forest redouble your shadows; you cannot be dark enough, you cannot sufficiently conceal my unhappy love.”





    I’m going to head the frogism off at the pass:

    And, just to the actual Human League in..

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