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    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Was just reading (IMDB) that the cast list for the final JW show (where she presumably regenerates) will include both Sacha Dhawan and John Sim as the Master. I am sure I am supposed to be more excited by this news than I am.



    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Surely they’re not trying for a repeat of the capaldi exit but instead of a good master and a bad master they’re going bad and mad  though if they’re bringing Sims and Dhawan back surely they could stretch to Gomez she was great.


    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord

    @blenkinsopthebrave and @devilishrobby

    It’ll be a shame if they’re just trying to replicate The Doctor Falls but I’d be delighted if it’s for a regeneration crossover, thus retaining Missy’s canonical status as the Last Master.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    It is probably the effect of all the Christmas mulled wine, but you have to explain to me: a) a regeneration crossover (?) and b) Missy’s canonical status as the last Master.


    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave and @jimthefish. I think Jim the fish is suggesting that Sim/Master regenerates into Dhawan/Master who then regenerates into Missy thus honouring the events of the Capaldi story, (ie as opposed to what he did with Gallifrey) though in this instance i doubt even Moffat expected that to be the end of The Master.



    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord


    That’s pretty much it — I just think a reset to a mad, bad Master after all the character work put into Missy is kind of a waste…

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @janetteb, @jimthefish, Thanks for that, but I tend to wonder if Chibnall even thinks on that level. He seems to have a very wonky knowledge of the history of Who (case in point: the reference to the Brigadier as “our new corporal”. I honestly believe he is not interested in learning enough about the history of Who to be faithful to it.) Anyway, tomorrow, and following the destruction of almost the entire Dalek race (and most of the universe) in “Flux”, a jolly comedy with…Daleks.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Hmm @blenkinsopthebrave I think you’ve hit it on the head Chibnall hasn’t paid enough respect to past  show cannon. Now don’t get me wrong I’ve no problem with there being changes to the established cannon but it needed to fit in so to speak. I always felt there was supposed to be more to the doctors past and if I remember right there was some mention (i think in the 5 doctors anniversary show) that early timelords like Rassalon had regeneration cycles that made them near immortal but Chibnall over the last 2 seasons has essentially driven a wrecking ball through established cannon.

    ScaryB @scaryb

    @blenkinsopthebrave I think we’ve been a bit spoiled (haha, spoilers thread! 😉 ) by RTD’s and Moff’s incredibly in depth knowledge of Dr Who. Even when they changed things, it was with a knowledgeable and loving wink/nod to what had gone before.

    @jimthefish IMDB are notorious for not having complete listings, and for picking up false info (or misinfo fed to them by Dr Who on previous occasions). Not sure that the Chibs team is that PR aware though. I know, I’m just hanging on to a very thin thread, hoping for a Missy return.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Placing this here as it is more an unsubstantiated rumour but has anyone seen some of the the non BBC  online rumour that David Tenant may and I repeat may be being considered as the 14th Doctor though a precedence may have been created in Day of the Doctor with Tom Bakers Cameo as the Curator and suggestion that he was a future doctor reprising the face. Personally I think it’s more likely he’s going to be cast in the 60th if he going to return as the Doctor. Though I do have a bit of a problem with that as it will potentially be the new Doctors first episode given that Jodies exit is going to be in the 3rd special due to be broadcast as part of the BBCs Centenary celebrations late this year. Given the timing I now suspect that will mean that there will not be a Xmas/ New Year special episode unless the RTDs first new  series is going to launch perhaps New Years Day thus giving the new Doctor time to establish him/herself ahead of a multi Doctor anniversary 60th Special. My reasoning for this is that Tennant has already stated he would be happy to be involved in the 60th celebrations as has Smith. Though having the anniversary special a Multi Doctor  fest has become kind of tradition if they do let it not be a re-hash of Day of Doctor it will need to be sufficiently different. Perhaps the incarnations of the Doctor being subscripted by the  White Gardian for example to save the universe… oh they’ve already done that kind of with the Key to Time Story  Arc in PGWho.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @devilishrobby, I read the Radio Times article, and it seems clear the rumour was more of a fan speculation than anything else. I would be quite surprised if Tennant actually came back full-time.  But a multi-Doctor show on 23 Nov 2023…? That seems to be highly likely. As for when an announcement of a new Doctor is going to be made, I know that JW has long since filmed her last special, but that doesn’t mean the brief appearance of the new Doctor could not still be added; even as a post-credit sequence.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @blenkinssopthebrave as I said in my original post I had realised that the news that Tennent was possibly going to be 14  was coming from non BBC  online sources and was probably highly suspicious. As you say it’s more likely Tennent will reprise his role as 10 if the 60th anniversary special is a multi-doc story.

    My main point is the way a lot of the the interviews appear to indicate that RTD will be doing the anniversary special then the series which in my opinion is the wrong way round as I feel they need to let 14 establish themselves as the Doctor before having a new doctor in a multi-doctor special. Now it may be that the interviews were in part a bit misleading as they were concentrating at the time on the the 60th anniversary special and then the fact he was headlining the production of Who going forward, and given the way Jodie is leaving at the end of a series of Specials with no real announcement of how the show is going to proceed after Jodies departure to begin the new Doctors tenure ie is there going to be a new series starting early 2023 either New Year or possibly Easter to co-inside the anniversary of RTD’s NuWho  or as another special which will essentially introduce/establish  the new Doctor much like Tennants start in the Christmas Invasion.

    The fact that Jodie has already finished her filming as you say is no problem, with todays filming technology the regeneration scene can be done with the actors at different times. Obviously the decision will have to be relatively soonish as it will have to be filmed and inserted into the final scenes of the third Special.

    The other thing I was thinking given the timing of the specials this year and the circumstances that they will be introducing the new Doctor it will possibly mean there will be no Xmas/New Year special this year, which would be disappointing but on the other hand would possibly increase the likelihood that the new Doctors introduction will be in a Tennant style Special during the festive special

    nerys @nerys

    @devilishrobby I wonder if the new Doctor will be introduced in the 60th anniversary special? Or maybe we’ll get a look at “the eyebrows” … as with our brief intro to Peter Capaldi during the 50th anniversary special. We weren’t fully introduced to the new Doctor, just got a little tease before his official introduction later on. Of course, “The Day of the Doctor” joined forces between Matt Smith’s Doctor, the current one at that time, with his predecessor, David Tennant, and John Hurt’s War Doctor. As you noted, Jodie Whittaker has finished filming, so it sounds like she would not be a part of this special (although I have read that she might return for it). If that’s the case, no continuity there. it may be that, if the special precedes the series, then it will be our introduction to the 14th Doctor.

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord

    Good heavens, RTD has been barely back on the block and he’s already left us more room for bonkerising than Chibs did in his whole run. Just to collate the current scuttlebutt in one place (and based upon the grabs from the recent filming, here are some of the more pressing questions.

    Who is Tennant playing? The slightly altered costume seems to suggest that we’re not talking about a previously unseen Tenth Doctor adventure here but something new. He could be the meta-crisis Doctor from Journey’s End or it could be that JW is going to regenerate into Tennant (fulfilling the Curator’s prophecy of revisiting some of the old favourite faces). Not sure how I feel about this concept (or the rumours that Tennant is going to stick around for a series of specials before regenerating into Gatwa — although it strikes me as distinctly possible. The return of Tennant is going to rather overshadow JW’s regeneration as it is. To have a new Doc having to compete with him too might be a bit of a tall order too.)

    Who is Rose? RTD does like teasing fans with similar names to much-loved characters but it doesn’t look like Yasmin Finney’s character is the Rose. Current speculation seems to have her as Donna’s daughter, which is interesting. But I’m not sure this means the original Rose won’t be coming back. We’ve got a year to go and I suspect there’s going to be a few announcements of familiar faces in that time.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @jimthefish The other suggestion I read about Yasmin Finney’s Rose is that she could be Bel and Vinder’s child. I find a certain appeal in that, but everything so far seems to indicate that RTD is only including characters from RTD’s tenure. I hope that is not true, as there is a lot more to the history of Who than the RTD years. If it was up to me, I would bring back the Zarbi. But that probably demonstrates why nobody would leave it up to me…

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord


    Ooh, I never thought of that. That might be quite nice actually and might even make there being a point to having them in the first place.

    And I second your Zarbi idea plus Chumblies (ideally in the same episode). But seriously, along with the Wirrn, they are creatures who could be done far more justice with modern CGI….

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Filming is underway for the 60th anniversary, and in the cast is Neil Patrick Harris (so brilliant in “A Series of Unfortunate Events”) and here he is in costume for his role in Who.


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    I am sure RTD has a completely new character in mind for Harris, but there is something about the look of him above that seems to say: The Celestial Toymaker.

    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave I was greeted by the news when I walked into the house this afternoon. He does indeed have a look of the Celestial Toymaker about him and  I think he would be perfect in the role.

    I feel as though RTD is throwing everything he can into the special, which is his style. It won’t be subtle and will be very different to Moffat’s special but hopefully it will be crazy and fun and that is what Dr Who needs more of right now.



    Brewski @brewski

    Because it’s RTD and Donna with what appears to be an alternate Ten, I am going to take a page from “Turn Left” and say this has to do with the Trickster.  Perhaps Neil Patrick Harris is a member of his Brigade…?

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @brewski possibly though I tend to agree with the general consensus that Harris may be playing the Celestial Toymaker who as I remember is one of the celestial immortal figures much like the black and white guardians . Having said that it may be the Trickster may just be another name for the Celestial Toymaker. Also it all depends on if  or by how much RTD is going to roll back on the Doctor being the Timeless Child, cause RTD a lot of respect for Who lore and in the PreGap era,  especially in the McCoy era the were hints that he had been known as the Trickster

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @brewski, @devilishrobby, I confess that I don’t know enough (well, anything actually) about the Trickster, and that my thought about the Celestial Toymaker is a wish rather than a well thought out theory, but I firmly believe that RTD will want to dazzle us all with the 60th. To go back to his appearance in “The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot”, perhaps he will give his new Doctor the catchphrase “quel dommage”. Now that would be very RTD!


    Brewski @brewski

    @devilishrobby and @blenkinsopthebrave, thanks for the feedback.  I have changed my mind a little. The Trickster isn’t a very good fit for the character.  But then, for me, neither is the Toymaker.  I just can’t reconcile the image of NPH with that character.

    I still think we’re looking at an Alternate/Altered reality.  I still think it happened at the time of Turn Left.  I think it changed the way Donna behaved during the Runaway Bride.

    I think Alternate Donna stayed with Alternate Doctor and it was HER instead of Martha who travelled with him to the year 100 trillion where they met…

    Alternate Professor Yana.

    THAT looks much more like the character we see in the post (to me).


    winston @winston

    It looks like it will be great fun , but so far away.

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