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30 May 2013 at 20:32 #11387
Thanks @craig Absolutely agree NOT a priority! And also ” it would have to operate like Facebook and not be anonymous, and only for logged in users”. A quick way of making a comment basically (and def no dislikes ๐
Well done on the blog edit, and for solving the other wee glitchy things. I’d say this site’s had a really good test run in the last few weeks with all the suddebย extra traffic, and it seems to have held up incredibly well.
And it’s still the most fun little nest/aquarium on the interwebs <note to self: get a life, LOL>
@bluesqueakpip – you may be right, but it’s my thinking fez ๐
30 May 2013 at 18:53 #11379Re a Like button (friendly one, LOL)
Itโs not something Iโm desperate for and Iโd only see it as available to people who are members. I just like the way it works on Facebook โ itโs not about rating, just a quick way of showing agreement, especially if you only have time for a fleeting site visit.
But as I said Iโm not sure if itโs even possible in this format and if people feel strongly against it, not a problem (And it makes @craigโs life easier if he can cross another thing off his list)

<starts to worry if new avatar makes her look too soft โ people thinking sheโs refresingly positive indeed! Harrumph!>
30 May 2013 at 18:39 #11377Re Colin – they really should have cast him as the Master rather than the Dr.
He does nice bit of scenery chewing as Bayban theย Berserker (great jacket, and 5 stars for the flarey nostrils!) in Blakes 7
(and correction to my earlier post – that should have read Paul Merroney (not Merion) in the Brothers (that’s what I get working from memory))
@phaseshift LOL at Peri even being 15yo boy proof!
30 May 2013 at 14:54 #1137230 May 2013 at 14:53 #11371Not to mention zero budget, uninspired direction, kids colouring box titles and the question marks on the shirt!
30 May 2013 at 14:49 #11370Completely agree. I dipped into Colin’s first episode and caught Vengeance on Varos – which was saved by Nabil Shaban. I really wanted to like him – loved him as the devious, creepy Paul Merion in the Brothers (1970s), but you have nailed it in summing up his take on Dr who as charmless.
The way the companions were presented was awful. Poor Peri was a constant moan – and no wonder. Baker’s Dr treats her like shit, including physically pushing her out the way on occasions. Pertwee might have been sharp with Jo occasionally but there was always a paternal warmth underlying it. And what was that dayglo pink outfit about??? Never been a fan of Kate O’Mara and the Bonnie Langford announcement was enough to send me thcweaming behind the couch, traumatised. (Sorry @htpbdet ๐ )
I doubt I’d ever have watched any of them had it not been for the reboot ie wrapped in the security of knowing there was better to follow! Curiosity value only for me.
Anyone for the defence?
29 May 2013 at 19:06 #11339@craig Well done! Sounds like a good solution. (is the traffic still at the same level or has it settled down a bit?)ย ย Recommend you check out my Dalek movie posters post on news thread – it’s very funny. (just realised it would probably be better On the Sofa or in In the Pub – feel free to move it)
29 May 2013 at 19:00 #11335Must be a slow news day – proof that working on Dr Who drives you bonkers (or maybe vice versa) – vid clip of Frances Barber (Kovarian) and Mark Gatiss as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford (Psychobitches)ย The lipstick bill alone must have been a small fortune!
29 May 2013 at 18:52 #11332@Shazzbot I know, and they’ve even made 2 articles out of a non-story. To be fair they’re by far from the only ones (it’s the top Dr Who news story on Google). Did you click on the dalek movie posters btw (#11321, just above) – they’re fun ๐
29 May 2013 at 18:29 #11323Poor John Simm getting a hard time after a recent Radio Times interview. This is the Guardian report – what’s more concerning is the CiFs – a lot of people seem to expect that if an actor signs up for something like Dr Who they should expect to be on call 24/7 and be damn grateful for it. The odd bit of irony but not as much as you’d expect. Sheesh, don’t they know that’s what celebs* are for!
*celebrities, actors = 2 very different things
29 May 2013 at 16:17 #11321This is fun – Dalek movie posters ๐ ( @wolfweed – ha! you’ve probably seen these already)
29 May 2013 at 13:15 #11316On sneaky ways to introduce a female Dr without her being annihilated by the fan base before they even screen the first story –
LOLย at @osakahatter‘ s suggestion of Dr Lite seasaon – certain trolls are spluttering already at the amount of screentime any feisty females in the show get over the Dr (“he’s the protganist!!” (much huffing and puffing and stampy feet)). Maybe they’d just implode at the whole concept and do the world a favour ๐
Realistically the only way they could do it would be unexpectedly. They could trial it asย suggested or just suddenly do a gender switch as a result of exposure to a particular chemical just before or during regeneration. Or maybe switching gender on your 12th regeneration or when you hit 1500 yrs is a little known TimeLord quirk. Or it’s the condition for getting extra regenerations – yes of course you can but you need to change sex to get them.
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29 May 2013 at 13:04 #11313Nice link @bluesqueakpip. Lovely interview with McCoy.ย He comes over really well, although the interviewer is very much of the “I’ve got my questions written down and that’s what I’m going to ask” school. Loveย Cartmel’s description of him as being a “cross between Richard Burton and Bugs Bunny”
29 May 2013 at 12:38 #11307@bluesqueakpip “would need skin of armour plated rhino…”ย ย Orย a dalekย ๐
29 May 2013 at 11:53 #11302Re Clara fainting – interesting thought about her not being a paradox within the Dr’s timestream, but I also think her fainting is prepared for. The Dr says ClaraPrime will die in his timestream (as the GI presumably did) – which is why he goes to rescue her. We’re not told exactly how she’ll die, but she doesn’t look great (apart from being lost and very lonely) when the Dr finds her. Being in someone else’s timestream (even if you’ve always done it) isn’t good for your personal health.
Either that or sheโs a big fan of John Hurt, and went over all funny at the thought of acting with him
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That works for me – am squeeeeeing at the thought of Smith, Tennant and Hurt all in the same episode (and all being the Dr (presumably, more or less!)
29 May 2013 at 11:07 #11293@whisht Agree with you re death at Trenzalore, esp since it looks like it’s Eleven’s (noooooo ๐ย )ย Depending on whether regeneration is a thing TimeLords do naturally or if it’s something they are given on qualifying as a TL – if they are given it maybe there’s a master switch in their matrix file which needs to be updated to get more regenerations.
@jamesunderscore Well the master did generally take a bit of a Dick Dastardly approach to cunning plans
29 May 2013 at 11:01 #11289back to a time where women didnโt have anything to say?
When was that???!! ๐ย I take your point but I don’t see it as a problem.ย A male Dr could have exactly the problem you suddest going to a planet where eg humanoids are not taken seriously.
Key thing (as others have said) about casting the Dr is to get the right actor (male, female, non-white, pink, polkadotted or alien). Am sure Judy Dench can still run along a corridor or 2 ๐ย When they do cast a female Dr she’s going to have to have an extremely thick skin!
But yes, being Dr Who is a full time job – which may discourage better known faces – never mind producing the show, there’s all the PR on top of it – don’t underestimate the amount of time and energy that takes. And I bet the contract includes several “best behaviour” clauses (what you can and can’t do “in the name of the Doctor”)
I ws v impressed with JLC in NotD – her biggest problem is that she looks about 16 on screen!! (But she brings a mid 20s experience with it, so can do the emotions)
29 May 2013 at 10:33 #11285Hartnell and Troughton did their share of running – it may not have been stylish or fast but they did ๐
Running, corridors, fainting assistants spraining their ankle, hypnosis/brainwashing – ah, 60s memories ๐
29 May 2013 at 10:30 #11284@pennyintheair That’s a theory and a half ๐ I love the idea of a regenerating leaf <works really hard not to make leaf jokes ๐ >
@whisht (and others) Agree there may be some things picked up from this episode, but I suspect it may be mostly standalone (esp if it’s also getting cinema release). So will start with them being outside the timestream again – possibly not even on Trenzalore, but possibly back (or forwards) in time to HurtDr’s time.
@Shazzbot @pedantย Re article about racism in Dr Who – seems to be the year (can’t think why!) for people to jump on bandwagon and knock the show with poorly researched books. Seems a bit much to knock the show now with stories from 40 years ago. It was sexism last month, homophobia next I should think ๐ย Not that I don’t think the show shouldn’t be taking these issues seriously – it can be a lot subtler than just casting – but this study and especially the media that report it are just trolling.
29 May 2013 at 10:18 #11283Roger Moore – ah, bless. Not a fan of his acting style, but he did it well ๐ And I presume he’s a fan rather than being desperate for work! (Hopefully Gatiss was just being nice back. OTOH it’s in the Sun – so accuracy quotient likely to be around zero ๐ )
28 May 2013 at 16:47 #11231I’m leaning more towards between 8 and 9 (or older version of 8), for the reasons you mention, plus it’s within the mythology created since 2005. And just because when we first saw him the first one I thought of was Eccleston, somethng about the way he was standing and the darkness – just the look.
I like the idea that he is blacklisted because of something he didn’t do eg save 1 person eg 10 gives his own “life” to save Wilf, maybe HurtDr wouldn’t have done that, or he makes a choice which he knows will result in (someone else’s) death but for benefit for a lot of others. (as @Shazzbot says that’s something we can all identify with)
Anyone think the GI might have attacked now because the Doctor was deleting himself from the databases? The GI is information โ and the Doctor was attacking his very mode of being.
Now that’s really neat. @blenkinsopthebrave what are your thoughts on that?
@osakahatter LMAO at image of GI as Bagpuss (NotD thread)
28 May 2013 at 16:12 #11224Interesting thoughts @osakahatter (future Dr, what he didn’t do etc)
But I don’t know that he’s any more solid than any of the others. He is different though. He’s not running and he does interact with 11. Clara says she saw all 11 faces but not this one. Dr suggests that’s because HurtDr is his dark secret, he’s been blocked off somehow (presumably in the same bit as Clara, re the “wall” which the cyberplanner noted).
But it doesn’t rule out any of the possibilities for where he comes in the sequence – pre Hartnell, between 2 and 3, between 8 and 9, or older 8, or after 11 (inc the possibility of being the Valeyard)
And remember the timestream is decaying fast, collapsing in on itself, so all sorts of anomalies could be thrown up. The way Hurt plays him, the HurtDr seems more remorseful and guilt-stricken than evil.
28 May 2013 at 15:28 #11216โwoman in the shopโ
Oops, my apologies.
@Shazzbot – Haha re the Timelords – it was usually more like the Dr keeping them in order. Our Dr is definitely one of the best of them, and he rejected their archaic authoritarian system. There were always at least a few with megalomaniac tendencies, not including the Master.
28 May 2013 at 15:17 #11212Gi jumps into timestream – it turns distinctly red and Dr looks very unwell. Says he is going to reverse all the Dr’s victories into defeats. Dosn’t mean the Dr dies in these defeats, though his reputation does. We are told the GI will dies as a result of this act – he/it acknowledges this but says it will give him peace (and the Dr torment)
Clara jumps into timestream, it reverts to white, Dr recovers. Clara would die the same as the GI (and presumably a very sad and lonely death) exxcept that the Dr jumps in after her. (Getting mighty crowded in there).
As a result of the Dr jumping in, the timestream begins to “collapse in on itself” – so the Dr and ClaraPrime have to get out ASAP.
Implications –
All the previous 50 years of episodes that we have seen are the result of GI then Clara retconning. they may not be reset to exactly the way they were orignally eg explains any anomolous details (eg the Exillon daleks) in the series. May have bigger implications which may be eplored futher in 50th, series 8 or not at all!ย There may be some remnants of Clara, GI still lurking about.
Although – if the timestream is collapsing then the implication is that it will just disappear – speeding up the end it was heading towards anyway (scar tissue, slowly healing and fading away).
Eleven can still travel the route that timestream took – he may be the one who dies/died at Trenzalore.
Or
Trenzalore was one of the defeats that a claracle later fixed, and the death in the “minor skirmish” didn’t take place.
@blenkinsopthebrave GI is certainly a sourpuss, but he’s also disembodied and has been for a long timeย (if he was ever corporeal). Dr defeated him, that we know of, in the Snowmen, Tibet, London Underground, and again in BoSJ. Maybe he also just got pissed off at hearing (from all his databanks (“I AM information”)) just how brilliant the Dr is and ends up with a grudge bigger than the chips you’d need on each shoulder to balance out all the fishes in here

As a disembodied, non human, being he can’t comprehend, never mind predict, Clara’s very noble and brave, and ultimately emotional act of self-sacrifice (as she thinks when she jumps in)
28 May 2013 at 14:54 #11205Sorry @Shazzbot – Clara as Dr’s mum (and specifically as the woman in the timelock) been on the long list of Clara theories for a while! (An outsider theory at the moment). As for her being in the shop – unlikely for same reason as not River – Clara says “a girl” not “a woman”
๐ at idea of his mum coming to give HurtDr a telling off ๐
@budinacup Only works for her to come back if the rest of the timelords come back too,
@bluesqueakpip I have a lot more faith in Moffat to keep the faith than I would in any previous showrunner except maybe RTD.ย Was just letting thoughts go wandering ๐ย But rebirth – your Easter, eggs etc and @juniperfish‘s Isis/Osiris parallels – I’d def agree. I predict a very dark middle and a triumphant but emotional end to the 50th ๐
28 May 2013 at 10:40 #11192I think Ten plus 11 is just a reference to the thank you video which features Tennant and Smith talking about being the Doctor (the reward for fans for keeping schtum about spoilers)
Regeneration issue – I have absolutely no doubt this will be addressed in the 50th. Loads of options, starting from – the TimeLords don’t exist now so the old rules don’t apply (eg as in Waters of Mars). Anyone got any bonkers theories to get round the regeneration limit?
Of course the other way (as I mentioned above) could be to actually kill off our Dr at Trenzalore and have someone else eg Clara, or a new as yet unknown, possibly chameleon arched, Time Lord – go off as “The Doctor”. (He wants to “decontaminate” the line after it’s been sullied by HurtDr, or maybe it’s the only way to prevent the Valeyard’s incarnation).ย A bit like Scottish TV detective institution Taggart, which has managed to run for 20yearsย (of its 30 year history) without its title character! Not my favourite option but would certainly fit in with @blenkinsopthebrave‘s complete gamechanger/clean sheet by end of the anniversary programme.
28 May 2013 at 02:05 #11173She says something like (after she’s jumped into the timestream) -she’s split into a million pieces, born, lives dies, has to find the Dr but always does and always knows it’s him. (Paraphrased, but it’s the opposite end of the day here and brain is about to close down for the night; I know, it’s shocking. I should have the whole thing memorised by now, LOL)
OTOH she missed HurtDr so maybe there’s other dark little nooks n crannies she missed.
But if there’s future Drs in there, surely she has to “fix” them as well, up to his death at Trenzalore? Definitely Moffat pointing hard in the direction of Matt being the last of the Timelords in more ways than one. Unless this is a branch-line timestream, which can be averted by reconciling with his dark side…
28 May 2013 at 01:54 #11171@blenkinsopthebrave – apologies
And thanks @pedant for living up to your name once more ๐
<does deep bow, and suggests nipping across to the pub where there’s some margeritas on the go ๐ >
28 May 2013 at 01:31 #11168To all those who still think the Dr’s “birth” name willl be revealed in hte 50th – have another look at the episode poster –

It says exactly what we got – “His secret revealed” – it is;ย he explicitly says HurtDr is his biggest secret ie his name isn’t the secret that’s revealed
AND he says his name is “The Doctor”
Actually that was just an excuse to look at the poster again ๐ Which reminds me – lots of shattered glass/fragments in all the posters
28 May 2013 at 01:13 #11166Yes, a couple of people mentioned that before (maybe it was your good self). He does mix up 210 and two hundred and ten in the article. But it’s odd. Or yes, he could be just messing with us, and doing it as a tease for the video. Or it’s the G subs ๐
28 May 2013 at 01:02 #11164@miapatrick Margeritas… mmm, great idea. Cheers
28 May 2013 at 01:00 #11162I agree with you that the Dr being in his own timestream could lead him to know his own future (unless he doesn’t peek), except
1. He says the timestream is collapsing in on itself (which is why he has to get Clara out fast) – so presumably that means that the process of the universe healing “the scar” left by his time-travels is finished – it either fades, or heals over completely – no trace of the Dr after that? (this is the remnant of his timestream in his future, it was already decaying (after his death). Anyone out there with experience of collapsing timestreams, LOL?
2. Maybe there is no future – Clara says: “I saw all of you – 11 faces”
28 May 2013 at 00:02 #11158Re young Dr Whos – I think you’re right, they were reportedly looking for someone 40ish post Tennant (just to shake it up a bit)… then Matt came along! (which is possibly why when we first meet River she suggests that her Dr was older). Some folk (esp in the media) will snipe at Dr who just cos they can, and they know it’ll get a reaction. Pah!
Agree, I think Hurt Dr’s story will be told in full (that’ll be a first, LOL) in the 50th.
Drink? Not sure how long the bar stays open on a Mon ๐
27 May 2013 at 22:08 #11150Good on yer sis MiaP – how did she get in the pic – was it set up beforehand or was she was just in the right spot?
The Gay Agenda (LOL) reminded me that the first time I saw John Hurt acting in anything was the Naked Civil Servant. He was amazing in it. Hard to get your head round just how groundbreaking it was in 1975, especially for aย straight actor. On googling it I discovered it was produced by one Verity Lambert ๐
And it also reminded me of just what an amazing CV Mr Hurt has – one of my favourite actors and many of my favourite films.ย Plus 3 new films which are due out next year.ย Must be that Time Lordy thing – he’s 73 FFS!
And he’s in Dr Who in November… squeeee ๐
Maybe it was the Caligula incarnation the Smith’s Dr found a bit difficult
27 May 2013 at 18:41 #11144@miapatrick (flickering lights!!!) @shazzbot @bluesqueakpip
oops – just googled (can never resist a “Don’t…” instruction ๐ )
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Drink please!
27 May 2013 at 12:46 #11126Sorry, is the leaf that led to her parents meeting the same one as that in the diary or is it that one fed to grandfather?
The leaf fed to grandfather is the one that looks very different (it’s a different shape, colour and texture, in fact it doesn’t really look that much like a leaf at all). In fact the leaf is a bit like @bluesqueakpip‘s souffle girl – it seems to connect with similar refs in story, but doesn’t quite. <hmmm>
27 May 2013 at 12:03 #11122@bluesqueakpip – I actually liked the way they did the last couple of minutes – thought it was tight and escalated well –ย and the billing, as you say, removes any doubt Matt’s speech might have introduced. (Also ref my recent conversation with @phaseshift On the (old) Sofa re Moffat’s skill at structuring scenes where the words say one thing but there are other things going on, conveyed by tone, looks, positioning etc which may undercut or add a different dimension to what’s being said)
@satsumajoe – I know, the different leaves have been mentioned before. But Clara should have recognised this leaf, she carried it in her diary forย years. I’d say this is where she first gets it… except it would only be able to find her if it’s already “her” leaf. (That and Souffle Girl may just be coincidence… but there again…!)
27 May 2013 at 10:32 #11114One other thing – why doesn’t Clara recognise the leaf when the Dr drops it into the timestream? “you blew into the world on this leaf” – why doesn’t she recognise it as the one that was in her 101 places to go diary, that she then fed to “grandfather”?
27 May 2013 at 10:18 #11112One thing that struck me (but forgot with the grumpiness that surounded Hurt’s credit at the end) –
Dr does his speech about his name, finishing with “… not in the name of the Doctor!” Turns away with Clara. Hurt Dr turns round with the credit sliding in – “Introducing John Hurt” (pause) “as the Doctor”
Seemed a very pointed juxtaposition.ย Maybe we’ll start the 50th with HurtDr’s story…?
And yes, I had no idea there was so much to fob watches and waistcoats LOL
27 May 2013 at 10:06 #11111@misspawsintme Meow!
paraphrasing the last scene –
Dr explains that it’s not about the name you are given 9when you are born) it’s about the name you choose for yorself. When you choose your name, it’s like making a promise you must live up to. He chose the name the Doctor. He says Hurt Dr broke that promise.
Re “my Clara” – yes very paternal/familial,ย ie Clara not potential lover
Aaaw ๐
Enjoy the sun
27 May 2013 at 09:57 #11110@Shazzbot – my post about the Sky/Dr scene in Midnight wasn’t directed at anyone in particular, just that @phaseshift‘s great post of the Clara/Vastra/Jenny scene put me in mind of it (and it’s one of my fav stories).
Speaking of fav stories, anyone got any suggestions how to limit your list to 20??? ๐
27 May 2013 at 09:48 #11108Ooh, nice new sofa ๐ Tardis blue, with a built in fish tank!
Thanks @craig (Hope we haven’t broken the other one!)
27 May 2013 at 08:02 #11100@ardaraith Nice bow tie Ms A!!!!
26 May 2013 at 21:51 #11085@phaseshift was well worth abit of trolling to be reminded of that scene. (And yes, it would be nice to see Dr Who actually win an award again. Going to be difficult if episodes are up against each other).
In RTD’s defence (but not in a competitive way, just as a reminder RTD was much more than fart jokes and innuendo) – I put forward the scene in Midnight when the woman copies Tennant’s phrases, catches up with him then starts saying them first. It’s funny at first then progresses through creepy to downright scary. Great performances and again the dynamic switches as we watch, because of the timing and performances. (Sorry, don’t have clip of it)
26 May 2013 at 20:44 #1108226 May 2013 at 20:22 #11071The fob watch – there is a St Christopher(?) on the chain but the end, where the watch would be, is in his pocket. Could very well be a tease, but it’s still up for speculation ๐
@juniperfish Either that or your nanobots are still working! <goes off muttering about fishing nets ๐ >
26 May 2013 at 20:16 #11070@juniperfish Cheers!
And on that subject – @whisht
Sam โ Matt Smith (old/young, bit of a babe-magnet)
Diane โ Romana II – perfect
Frasier โ Pertwee (a bit vain, seemingly establishment but a would-be rebel under the surface)
Lilith โ Madame Vastra – perfect
Coach โ Hartnell (messes up his lines and gets confused)any thoughts on these two?
Norm โ Troughton (great guy to meet in the pub)
Cliff โthe Master (under cover but still can’t resist showing off)Woody โ Strax – yup, like that
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26 May 2013 at 19:40 #1106226 May 2013 at 19:09 #11057Great example.ย I love that scene. It was much discussed on the Snowman thread. It’s all done with looks (and very few words) – as you say it’s about watching the dynamic switch completely.
It’s what I also loved about NotD – Moffat at his best can turn scenes on a dime, with a huge amount packed in. And it’s about using all the tools in TV language – looks, angles, lighting etc as well as the words.ย Which is no doubt why we’re all still speculating like mad after 3 series. ๐
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