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Tom Waits – not my idea (someone suggested on the Graun) – but this would put me beyond ecstasy. Ah, a girl can dream 🙂 (You could have a musical episode as well)

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And belated thanks to @phaseshift for Linda Lee’s comments, she’s in good form. Is it bad to be jealous of a 5yo, meeting McCoy?!

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@thommck HaHa, thanks for those.

@darkenfasl No worries, you’ll get the hang of it. Shortened/disguised URLs are like big flashy (unfriendly) buttons to our ever-vigilant mods 🙂

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@timeloop Re @… links.  A few people are disguised! ie @screen name doesn’t link as you’d expect. eg IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan can only be called up by @pedant  If you click the link under the avatars it will take you to their account and shows you what you need to put after @.

PS Don’t worry about the trolls. Our mighty mods have them under control 🙂

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@blenkinsopthebrave @janetteb

Multiple Drs, including an alien  – I like it more and more.  A search or an unstable regeneration? I don’t think Hurt can be ruled out for more than 1 episode just on budget eg Matt’s on a rumoured £1m/year.  Anyone know how many episodes series 8 is supposed to be?

Extremely jealous of Aussie fans, esp the ones who made it to Sydney last weekend – that looked amazing. We’ve got the BFI doing monthly screenings, but the promised “all over TV” is so far not looking like more than 1 doc and the special. We don’t even get series 8 till 2014.  Sometime.

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@Shazzbot

@magnetite well, at least Brian Blessed could drown out Murray Gold’s supposedly overly OTT music!*

LMAO at that.

 

Only way Brian Blessed would be cool is if they gag him, LOL. (Would also take a fair bit of timeywimeyness to explain how he was also King Yrcanos – and would they also need to reintroduce Peri??! (Mindwarp, 1986)

 

Re Tardis gender – the Tardis’s perspective on life the universe etc being – “all of time and space at once” – I’d be surprised if she had any more idea if gender than Strax!

One thing I am  confident about – it won’t be stunt casting eg Matt turning up when they wanted older Dr <sighs dreamily at thought of Mark Rylance!>

 

 

*And I don’t have any prob with his music either!

<waves @magnetite, welcome and congrats on first post >

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@craig @pedant @darkenfasl

I’m brave/stupid/have too much faith in virus checker!*  For info URL was fine (S Wales Evening Chronicle with article and poll)

@claraoo Yes it would!

 

*delete as required

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@craig – thanks for the Today prog link – that’s hysterical, well worth a listen. My favourite quotes –

“I can say with certainty that the Dr doesn’t read the Daily Mail”

Re – profiling of DW fans “we are legion”

and finally –

“Knitted!!“

I also love how it’s OK to admit to being a DW fan again 😀

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@craig Thanks for Bill Hicks link, made me laugh.  Being a bastion against creeping commercialisation is something to be proud of. While I understand that the Graun etc are desperate to find ways of turning online views into cash, I hate how nearly every video link (not just on the G) now has approx 1min commercial break intro that you can’t skip through.

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@curvedspace re overdoing the bonkers theorising – you’d be surprised how often the hive mind can be completely wrong, LOL! There are many many red herrings in Moff-world and we jump on them all 🙂  For me all the theorising adds a lot of texture to the programme background, esp when people pick up on details I’ve missed (often, LOL).

And it’s fun!

@bluesqueakpip‘s advice is, as ever, spot on. Even if we do get something right it’s usually just in general terms and the programme takes its own (better!) spin on it.  And you can always ration yourself!!

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@chickenelly

The Moff better hurry up, or we’ll be left with Bertie Vogts.

For that line I forgive you (almost!) for the Bonnie L pic

@Shazzbot, @wolfweed et al re UK prejudice against redheads – I think you might find it’s a dig at Scots again – where most of the ginger genes come from 😉

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<waves Kibouchi > Welcome
(and there’s still plenty of time before the 50th for bonkers theorising 🙂 )

 

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<waves @juniperfish>

Thanks for not linking to the DM. I think that makes your argument for a female Dr completely! Girls can aspire to being “assistants” (then leave to fulfil their “proper” function and get married). A female Dr could easily have role-model male assistants. *sigh* You just reminded me how cross-gender-minded female scifi fans have to be

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And yes, agree, it’s better if the actor isn’t better known than the Dr. eg Tom Cruise is great at being Tom Cruise, ditto Stephen Fry (tho I’d dooubt he’s in the frame anyway (agree would be great to get him to write tho – apparently he did, but the timing wasn’t good eg he wrote for 1 Dr/companion and by time they could schedule it, the companion had changed). OTOH John Hurt has a habit of morphing completely into whoever’s he’s portraying.

Sympathies to @ardaraith and all for whom Smithie is their Dr <leaves big box of tissues and some jammie dodgers on the sofa>
@craig @whohar
“We also have a several people who just post banal nonsense….but I’m keeping an eye on them”
Yikes!!!
😉

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Thanks @craig as ever for low-key but firm modding Love the idea of being a troll conversion unit – maybe a bit optimistic, but even just 1 converted to bonkers theorising would be great

@blenkinsopthebrave – add another fan to your idea of multi-doc series. Though maybe we don’t HAVE to see him him/her as a baby/child. <grrrrrowls @chickenelly for putting nightmare idea of Bonnie Langford as Dr into my head>

Thinking out of show for a minute or 2, and going back to various conversations with @bluesqueakpip re what Moffat wants to leave as his legacy ie why he wants to stay on after 50th, which in many ways would be a natural finish time. I am therefore assuming that he has new ideas for a regeneration story. And it would be a great way to trial different kinds of Drs without baiting the hardcore fanboys too much.

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@jimthefish (and others) Agreed, I think it’s highly likely the new Dr was confirmed when BBC announced series 8 is confirmed (with Moff staying on (once he comes out of his current (highly justified) huff!)). I’m sure from a writer/showrunner perspective the arc is carefully planned from 7 into the 50th and into 8.   Ian Levine is supposed to be an uberfan as well 👿

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@timeloop @bluesqueakpip

It’s his manifesto!

😉

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That’s pretty sh*tty of Mr Levine just so he can have the personal satisfaction of being first with the news. If anything it doubles the pressure on the next actor. Well, @IanLevine is definitely not someone I’ll be following on Twitter. Boo!  Love the pic and caption @wolfweed

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@craig @timeloop Ooops!  Stormy tantrummy Moff then

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@timeloop I think most of us on here would rather he’d stayed longer. Even @htpbdet was considering an S!!

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@jamesunderscore Welcome to the dark underbelly of Who fandom (and that is the fairly civilised bit you are seeing). If the show does find the right actor in a non-white and/or non-male actor – you know what? Good riddance to them! I hope they shake themselves into complete disintegration with their righteous indignation 😉

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@craig  That radio times article is hysterical – Interesting that Jose Mourinho seems to be emerging as something of a front runner. What was that you said earlier @chickenelly?

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LOL @whisht‘s “the obligatory pretty boy in a short skirt joins them, “for the dads“”

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@timeloop What makes you think this announcement hasn’t been completely planned and managed? Looks very planned to me. They finish series 7.2, wait till the speculation over the massive reveal of Hurt has died down a bit, then announce Matt’s leaving.  If nothing else, Matt’s schedule for  next year would have prompted some speculation fairly soon. Anyone know when series 8 filming is planned? (Could be as late as early 2014 if they want to really keep it under wraps. I’ve seen specualtion that it’s not due till after April).

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PS @craig Great pic choice for this thread (nice juggling around there). And thanks also to @blenkinsopthebrave for suggesting it

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<makes fresh cups of coffee for @juniperfish @chickenelly and any one else who wants one; passes out hankies *sniffs* >

@craig LOL @Shatner Whoess!!! Aaagh He certainly knows how to get himself retweeted   (Presumably he’s not putting himself up for it!)

And yes to the other people who have posted re John Hurt – that would be so funny, if they’ve already announced the new Dr – hiding in plain sight wouldn’t begin to cover it! And if it’s to be a traditional white male, I would have NO problem with Hurt

And for goodness sake, can SOMEONE give Smithy and this show a f*ckn AWARD this year!!

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Thanks for the link @Shazzbot

The Telegraph are doing well – they’ve also got this really nice tribute article about Matt  (Just don’t read the comments! Makes the G commenters look like ickle kittens!)

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Posted this yesterday, but it’s worth repeating on here. Sydney Newman’s views on how to reivive Dr Who in 80s (They asked his advice but didn’t take it)

 

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@chickenelly – LOVE your new headgear

@bluesqueakpip @pedant and others – yes, I agree, they are very likely to have already cast. The rumours about Matt have been circulating for a while and we have been feeling his arc coming to the end of a cycle. It also explains the gap between now and series 8. Would be nice if they could sit on it till after the 50th, but that’s probably a bit unlikely.

I’m not in favour of casting someone just for their gender or skin-colour but for the show’s credibility – to be truly groundbreaking – they really need to find someone different from a white male. But it has to be about the actor – no tokenism.  For an established white male actor, the role has a lot of downsides, but for anyone not fitting that profile, it’s a chance to be the first, to trailblaze. But as I’ve said before, they’ll need nerves and skin of dalekanium (or dwarf star alloy!)

@jamesunderscore  Elba could act anything IMHO; there again he’s playing Mandela in new bio-pic this year so probably just moved out of range

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male Dr nominee – Idris Elba?

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Ooops, too much excited caffeine consumption!

Thanks @blenkinsopthebrave for the considered post.

I think Bill Nighy ruled out – he’s on record as saying he was offered it but turned it down because of all the baggage that comes with it. I think a lot of established actors would have the same problem. OTOH to be the first female Dr might just be enough to entice an established female actor.

@chickenelly – I’d say your caffeine’s alrady kicking in

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It’s River!!!!

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@lonelyangel Welcome fellow angel <waves @fishes with a sneaky smile!>

You’ve come to the right place 🙂

Speculation on Hurt Dr best on 50th Anniversary thread.

Most people are on The Next Dr thread at the moment, following Matt’s announcement last night (but they’ll be back on the 50th soon enough).

Spoilers go on the Spoilers thread only (any facts, photos etc which are not widely available or not on BBC Who site eg people initially posted Matt’s announcement on Spoilers – exactly right, except there’s no way that news was going to stay secret for long! So a bit overcautious, but it’s the way this site works)

Bonkers theorising on the other hand is what we are all about.

Feel free to jump in whenever you’re ready!

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@timeloop

No rules on number of years, depends on a lot of factors, mostly external. eg the actor getting lucrative offers elsewhere or just feeling they’ve done as much as they can with the character.

Oh, and my sympathies to all of you for whom this is the first regeneration – it’s always a toughie

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Woooooah! Just woke up to this – 2nd most popular news story on the BBC site!  Although a lot of things have been pointing towards it –  and many of us have been expecting it since this site opened. But…. 😥

I’m late catching up, so maybe this has already been posted, but I thought Matt’s statement was lovely, including this –

The fans of Doctor Who around the world are unlike any other; they dress up, shout louder, know more about the history of the show (and speculate more about the future of the show) in a way that I’ve never seen before.

😥 😥 😥

@janetteb you can borrow my shoulder if I can borrow yours!

@fishcombobulated (great name btw)

“lost season of Smith as the Eleventh Doctor”

What a lovely idea! Now that’s the problem with this “let’s leave gaps and hints that the Dr has more adventures than we see on screen” thing – it just encourages us to think that all these other adventures are out there, we just have to track down the recordings, haha. Maybe there’s a couple of the tenth as well… 🙂

 

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Hmmm, I seem to have lost a post – apologies if this materialises twice.

Not really news as the link is 3 years old, but interesting article on Sydney’s Newman’s advice in mid 1980s on how to resuscitate Dr Who – they didn’t take it.

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Thanks for Free Falling @craig – a long time fave and not heard for a while.  OK, I’ll take your Tom Petty and raise you a Byrd. (This is very timey wimey – “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now”. Not to mention “crimson” and a “self ordained professor” 🙂 )

 

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LOL @theseniletardis – great name, great avatar

@craig Good to hear HTPBDET’s on the mend – He sure is going to be busy catching up! Have loved his blog posts on the various Drs.

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There must be SOMEONE out there prepared to speak in Colin’s defence…?!

Oh and hi to @curvedspace Thanks for joining us and thank for the posts

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@Shazzbot

is that Blake’s 7 clip indicative of how C Baker played the Doctor?

No, he’s much cuddlier as Bayban the Berzerker 😉

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@timeloop @curvedspace

Re canon. haha – Who fans even argue over the canonicity of the canonicity of its canon.

For me, and this is just a personal view, the following were established in An Unearthly Child –

1 The Doctor is called the Doctor ( 😉 )

2 He’s not from earth

3 He’s a time & space traveller

4 He’s got a Tardis (even in the Pertwee years, when he was grounded, the Tardis was still a story-driver)

Now obviously whoever’s currently making the show has the final say on how/what they want to write and they could throw all that out the window if they want – in  a show about a timetravelling alien with access to the massive tech that’s the Tardis it’s remarkably easy to reinvent anything and everything – but those 4 things encapsulate the magic of Dr Who for me.

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@danmartinuk #RiverSongDay on the Graun – yay!  Better get the armour plating ready tho – that’ll bring out more trolls than a Fellowship of Hobbits on a quest!

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@danmartinuk

Rubbishest monsters – good idea – are you going to do a top monsters as well btw?

Agree with several above re Abzorbaloff, but the little Adipose were cute! Problem with naming and shaming DW monsters is that although the costumes/models were sometimes, objectively speaking, awful (giant clams anyone?), often the idea behind them was scary enough to transcend their appearance eg someone is bound to mention the Zarbi and the Sensorites, both of which had me behind the sofa and thinking about them for months after.  Seen in hi def production pics you can see the joins (and often the strings!) but seen through fingers over 6yo eyes on a 60s TV screen they were terrifying! (Much the same point made by @blenkinsopthebrave above)

Speaking of should be crap but are actually very scary – Troughton and Pertwee Who got an amazing amount of mileage out of foam creeping up a pipe! The seaweed monster in Fury from the Deep for example, was terrifying. (And it had Oak and Quill as backup!

I found the Mara really creepy – until the reveal of what it actually looked like blew any possibility of suspension of disbelief completely out the window. “OK everyone, you must hold these mirrors and make sure the puppet doesn’t escape” – nice idea, but there are gaps everywhere in the circle!

Sorry – back to rubbish monsters – Well, as @whohar mentioned the maggots in Green Death look pretty feeble in daylight and the animation is dire, but again the green slime slapping up a pipe and the IDEA of giant maggots worked for me. And then there’s that cliffhanger, with Jo 😉

For truly awful I’d have to nominate either the War Machines (Hartnell) – again, BIG mistake to film in daylight, and for a superbrain WOTAN seemed pretty feeble. The War Machines themselves looked like cardboard boxes playing at being daleks. On the other hand it was the story that introduced Ben and Polly so it’s hard to hate it.

My top nomination would be the Dominators – you just can’t take them seriously, what with the shoulder pads and the squabbling; and especially the Quarks, who looked like they’d fall over if you blew on them too hard! The kind of look that a 3 year old would be embarrassed by as a fancy dress costume! And about as effective.

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@bluesqueakpip well that’s the other possibility, I think.

Either we jump straight into HurtDr’s story, or the Dr and Clara still have to get out of his (fast collapsing) timestream. There was that strange flash shortly after the Dr finds Clara – I think it was you who called it as “collapsing/collapsed timestream.”  If it appeared just before the Dr “materialises” I’d have said that was him stepping into it. But it didn’t.

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@blenkinsopthebrave

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I also confess to occasionally ducking in for a quick lurk! 😯

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@shazzbot

Like button’s no big deal!! (but I think we get very little trolling on here, from what @craig‘s said; Was only suggesting a “like” though, not a “dislike” (that would be waste of time))

<hangs head in shame and slaps wrists @ all the frivolous posts she’s done when she should’ve been bonkers theorising >

 

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@timeloop

This way we focus on what will be and not was has been.

you’re so linear! 😈

(Timestream’s “collapsing, closing in on itself”  I reckon they’ll just walk out and we’ll start 50th elsewhere/when (see my post above for more detail))

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@craig WooHOO! Polls

PS Cheers

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He looked much happier in Bayban’s studs and kitschy 80s black leather!  The fob watch would’ve looked a bit odd though 🙂

@bluesqueakpip Dog blankets would’ve looked better… but the costume budget couldn’t stretch that far 😈

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