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23 January 2013 at 23:30 #1853
I got lost in the time vortex. The Tardis brought me home.
Hello @juniperfish, @blenkinsopthebrave and fishes one and all!
25 January 2013 at 00:29 #1893OK I take the “Doc made the Lodgers Tardis” idea back. I just actually skipped through the Lodger (I was working from a hazy 2 year old memory) and clearly I’m talking. Complete. Bobbins.
I’ll stick to tea in future!
25 January 2013 at 00:46 #1897<I’ll stick to tea in future>
I had an aunt who could drink 6 cups of tea between breakfast and…well…morning tea. And she always spoke complete bobbins
Don’t give up on espressos just yet.
Anyway, it may not have been the Doctor who built the Tardis in the upstairs flat, but your other espresso-enhanced thoughts were inspired.
27 January 2013 at 16:09 #1993LOL @haveyoufedthefish – presume you’re still on the come-down, but please keep taking the espressos – love the theories! Especially
1) moff said DW will be “all over the TV”. Best guess is there will be easter eggs all through other BBC TV programs, possibly especially anything historical or about history. They may be subtle, they may actually be appearances of the doctor (searching for Clara?) in the background. Possibly as a whole, they add up to a simple narrative of their own.
What a great idea 🙂
I think at the least, there’s likely to be lots of little tardisodes, for web and TV.
27 January 2013 at 16:38 #1999Neil Gaiman’s ‘dream story’ for the 50th anniversary is an 11 Doctors story. Which I’m surprised about as he’s an imaginative bloke.
Have loved his stuff ever since he took over Miracle Man from Alan Moore and have every issue of Sandman in the original comic format. From then on through American Gods etc his imagination has shone through, so an 11 Doctors story just seems so… unoriginal, for him.
But maybe the fanboy takes over from the rational or creative when thinking about the 50th, or… he’s just playing with us.
27 January 2013 at 19:22 #2017@scaryb – what got me thinking of the “all over TV” idea was Mark Bentons collection of pictures of the Doc through recent history (not that it made a lot of sense in the show, given the implication was that he’d only recently regenerated, and hadn’t had a chance to appraise his new face yet).
Also didn’t Harry Hill do something like this for months, with a certain cuddly toy appearing randomly in the background of other peoples live TV shows throughout each week? Matt is very nearly a cuddly toy, imho …
27 January 2013 at 19:34 #2019@craig – I’m a professional cynic (but my heart’s not in it) so I’d tend to think like a raston warrior robot, he’s playing with us.
The more that I hear that a full reunion is either not logistically possible (e.g. because Chris doesn’t want to do it, too old etc) or technically (because computer graphics aren’t there yet) the more I think that’s the T.V. equivalent of being told “oh we didn’t arrange a party for you this year” all week, before … well if I told you, it wouldn’t be a surprise now, would it? 😀
30 January 2013 at 21:42 #216350th anniversay special AND “An Adventure in Time and Space”. Wow! But I now realise that one will likely have implications for the other. As I read about the cast for Gatiss’s “An Adventure in Time and Space” (Jessica Raine, Brian Cox, David Bradley, et al) I start to realise just how big it will be for the fans. It will be “a love letter to the fans” just as the 50th has been promised to be.
With that in mind, I think I will have (with great regret) to abandon my 4th wall theory for the plot of the 50th. It would compete too much with Gatiss”s AAITAS.
So, what am I left with for the 50th? Could it still be Kennedy (with a return for Canton)? Well, maybe, but I had tied that to my 4th wall theory.
Omega? Lots of Doctors? No, I don’t think so, because I don’t think Moffat runs with the plotlines of other writers. I think this will be pure Moffat. Which means…I have no idea!
30 January 2013 at 22:06 #2167@blenkinsopthebrave I thought it might be fun if they combined the two in some sort of way, and had the Doctor going back to 1963 and visiting the set of a new TV show that seemed to be based on his own life, starring someone that looks a lot like he used to. What devious creature has implanted his character in the creators’ minds, in the most exact detail, and why was he now been brought back to witness to it?
But I know what you mean. It would seem like they had just tried to save on the budget and shoot two shows with the same actors, sets and costumes. Which wouldn’t be good.
There’s definitely an idea there though. Star Trek gets a lot of references in NuWho. So why not Who itself?
30 January 2013 at 22:07 #2169As there is a nice picture of Neil Gaiman’s mug above here, I want to say that I hope the code to the TARDIS’ old control room in The Doctor’s Wife “crimson, eleven, delight petrichor”, which our presently absent moderator @phaseshift did such a good job de-coding way back when (“the blood of the Doctor will bring new life and renewal”) comes back and has continued significance.
It seems to me that it is ripe to, what with the death and rising again sacrificial God themes of Easter, and the situating of the Doctor’s death around Easter last season and now the upcoming significance of Easter (and eggs) this season.
30 January 2013 at 22:37 #2175I was also thinking about multiple Universes today, as you do. How everything that happens, every decision you make creates new Universes. Stephen Hawking thinks it’s true so who am I to argue?
I’m no physicist, but if Schrodinger’s cat can be both alive and dead, and there are many universes or dimensions, then there can also be many incarnations of the same Doctor. Maybe…
Would it be a cheat for him to meet up with himself from “many-worlds”? Just imagine a youthful Hartnell, a female Tom Baker (love a girl in a long scarf and dark, curly hair), an old Davison, a fat Colin Baker :-D, and (as he’s always wanted) a leather-jacket wearing Paul McGann.
30 January 2013 at 22:51 #2177Speaking of which, I really, really love this “Time Ladies” pic. I should probably moderate myself now and put it in Fan Creativity, but it kinda fits with some of my last post.
http://rocketssurgery.tumblr.com/post/27237329389/time-ladies-aaw-yeaah-3In fact, what if he met with all-female versions of himself? That would get round every issue Gaiman has in the vid above.
Then again, I may have had too much wine tonight 😀
30 January 2013 at 23:08 #2185@craig – oh no those are great! Maybe post in Fan Creativity too?
I particularly like her rendition of the third and tenth Doctors, because those drawings somehow capture the personality of Pertwee and Tennant’s Doctors particularly well, in a certain mood anyway (twinkly/ naughty for Three and a bit mardy for Ten) Ha ha – love it!
30 January 2013 at 23:15 #2191Anonymous @
I really like these. They’re really clever in the way that they’ve still managed to capture the essential character of the various incarnations, as @juniperfish points out. Wouldn’t it be fab if the Doc could meet some of these ladies in the show?
30 January 2013 at 23:23 #2199They are really good – I’d echo @jimthefish and @juniperfish in saying double post to the fan thread. They do caputure the personality of the Doctor in a way. (It reminds me of those links I posted to female cosplay in that thread).
Great stuff.
30 January 2013 at 23:33 #2203@juniperfish @phaseshift (welcome back by the way) Will do. For some reason I really like eight. It’s the forlorn look. She really looks like she feels she deserves more than one poor movie… much like McGann.
31 January 2013 at 00:10 #2211@jimthefish Can you imagine The Telegraph readers’ reaction to Doctors who’ve changed gender?
31 January 2013 at 02:39 #2215The female Doctor’s are great. Thanks for the link @craig. I agree with @juniperfish re’ the third and Tenth. For some reason the McGann version reminds me of Leela.
I like the idea of an alternative universe with a female Dr but it might be a bit too Red Dwarf. Alternative time streams are all fun though. Fringe utilised this motif very well.
On the subject of the Doco Drama I read that Jessica Raine is also playing a part in an upcoming episode of Who. It did not say which episode or which part. I like @craig‘s idea of the Doctor visiting the set of a Who TV series or something he does in 1963 providing the inspiration for that series. This would allow for there to be two versions of Harnell, the actual Doctor and the actor portraying him. I am beginning to warm to @blenkinsopthebrave‘s forth wall theory, just as he abandons it. Waves. Come back Blenkinsop, don’t give up on your big theory yet.
31 January 2013 at 02:48 #2217Hi @janetteb. I wish the 4th wall theory would come through, in spite of my current reservations. Just not sure that Moffat will do anything to diminish or cheapen the Gatiss AAITAS (or is it AAISAT?)
Jessica Raine is apparently playing Verity Lambert in AAISAT, rather than a character in one of the episodes. (I think)
31 January 2013 at 02:51 #2219Hold on. I just re-read your post, @janetteb. So Jessica Raine is in both the Gatiss doco-drama AND an episode of 7.2?
OK, I can start to see how the 4th wall theory might have legs after all. Hmmm.
31 January 2013 at 03:07 #2223Call the Midwife actress Jessica Raine will play Verity Lambert; one of the first female producers at the BBC. Raine will appear in Doctor Who herself later this year.
This is a quote of a quote with no info on the original source. It sounds as though Jessica will be in either the anniversary special or the Christmas special if this info is correct. It certainly supports your 4th wall theory.Cheers
Janette
31 January 2013 at 12:13 #2229@janetteb – no, Jessica Raine was interviewed in Radio Times last week (or maybe the week before) and she is quite definitely in Doctor Who. She’s already filmed it. She was talking about how different it is from Call The Midwife.
Not the same episode as David Warner, thankfully, or the fourth-wall theorists really would be going into orbit. :0)
31 January 2013 at 21:19 #2231I really hope that the 11th Doctor isn’t regenerated off either this series or in the 50th Special. It would feel too contrived.
As to the concept of all previous Doctors (male or female) turning up wouldn’t that require the power of the Timelords to achieve (correct me if I am wrong but in the 3 and 5 didn’t they have to arrange some super duper timey wimey stuff to make tthis happen?).
I think that all the Doctors could be together as they are all different incarnations of the same being but all 11 have the same Tardis so wouldn’t she have problems?
Also whilst wandering up and down the garden path, having a cig and staring at the stars, an idle thought regarding Tardis’s Tardiss’ Tardisi is not the Masters own Tardis still stuck somewhere in the Year 100 Trillion (or thereabouts) on Malcassario?
And now to jump to Series 7 Part 2 Speculation for another thought……..
3 February 2013 at 10:10 #2331It has been nice, coming in and seeing the posts of late, but there does seem to have been something of a lull in bonkers theorising. Some come on! We can’t just sit and wait until November 23.
Now, I would, of course, throw my hat in the ring, but it is evening over here in the colonies, and the wine was opened some time ago. Perhaps the theories might be a little affected by this point in the evening.
But I know it is still Sunday in the UK, and all sorts of time zones in the other places Enthusiasts live. And I am sure you can’t all be under the influence yet!
3 February 2013 at 11:40 #2335@blenkinsopthebrave I thought my recent (totally ignored!!) theory of the last 50 years being all in the Doctor’s head was fairly bonkers! (All the progs are like us viewing his memories as they download into his head). He wakes up in the 50th having just regenerated. OR It’s Matt, asleep/unconscious, getting memories downloaded. He wakes up in the 50th. The outside voices in a few episodes are exactly that – reality impinging on the Doctor’s coma-like state.
3 February 2013 at 11:42 #2339@blenkinsopthebrave – and @RobwhoDoesn’tLink’s fractured TARDIS(es) (either the Doctor’s or the master’s) is pretty out there 🙂
4 March 2013 at 09:17 #3033Hello – very late to the party again but I’ve been a bit busy moving. Formerly of the region, as @bluesqueakpip said, “north of the Trent”, I’m now in the future, and quite a way South, somewhere in @blenkinsopthebrave territory.
I’m still exploring these parts and I see this thread is pretty quiet of late. However….
My hope for the 50th is an 11 Doctors but with a twist – wondering if the BBC will retcon some old eps / parts of old eps and weave them into a Genesis of the Doctor type narrative. The old footage could be cleaned up / colourised to make the transition a bit less jarring.
My original idea on this (Guardian post) was that the Doc would have an enemy that he had encountered through all previous regenerations (only he didn’t know it) but this comes to light in the 50th. Maybe it’s some kind of test for the Doc, orchestrated by as-yet-unknown super villain. Tons of issues with this, not least being that the fans may not like a retcon of beloved stories.
I can’t see them using original (or replacement) actors to fill the roles of previous Docs, so this would be an homage to past incarnations without disrupting their characters.
All that said, Moffat probably has something completely off the wall on the page and he may only do a nod to the past, similar to the end of The Eleventh Hour. Either way, I can’t wait.
<will try and post more often, honest>
27 March 2013 at 00:40 #3603With the ever increasing prospect of the old Drs not physically reprising their roles for the Nov ep/s, someone mentioned somewhere that they’d better bloody well be in the next Children in Need sketch. That’ll be in Nov 2014 though…
Moffat has said the 50th anniversary ep will not be a fan-fest but that the past Drs will be ‘honoured’.
Also we have ‘paintings’ so perhaps that’s how the past Drs will be honoured – perhaps a ‘Dorian Gray’ inspired plot?
28 March 2013 at 16:11 #3631http://collider.com/steven-moffat-doctor-who-season-7-interview/
Dr Who Anniversary is about looking forward not back.
29 March 2013 at 12:37 #3637Hm… For the 25th anniversary we had Silver Nemesis, but will we get something golden for the 50th…?
If so, won’t be pleasant for the cybermen!
29 March 2013 at 17:10 #3665Rule 1: Moff lies.
2 April 2013 at 22:33 #4095The blessed Jessica is going to be in Who?
*faints*
3 April 2013 at 08:05 #4103@wolfweed Thanks for the interview link above, really nice one. Couple of things I picked up on –
facing the Crimson Horror in Victorian Yorkshire,
Crimson? As in Crimson, petrichor…??
And on companions – this ain’t gonna please the people who want the Doctor to be central, but it’s interesting, and makes it very clear where he’s coming from –
It’s the person to whom the story happens. A hero is somebody who saves the day, and who you stand back and admire, and that’s the Doctor. But, for the story to have an emotional connection, it has to happen to somebody. The Doctor himself has to happen to somebody. So, very often in Doctor Who, the companion is the main character. Not the hero, not the one with all the cool lines and not the one with all the cool moments, but is the person who has this experience, and we get to see how it changes them. We never see how the Doctor began his journey, we’ll probably never see how he ends it, and we’ll probably never know why he embarked on it, but we know all those companions, who they were before they met the Doctor, why they ran away from him, and roughly where they ended up. Those stories are complete. The Doctor is the enigma that enters their lives and changes them. The story is always about the person that changes the most, rather than necessarily being about the person who affects those changes.
3 April 2013 at 21:53 #41274 April 2013 at 01:13 #4135Ooh. Lots of nice spoilery images there. Thank-you.
Cheers
Janette
5 April 2013 at 22:36 #4219Just read in the Independent that Christopher Ecclestone turned down the offer of taking part in the anniversary special – don’t imagine that comes as a surprise to anyone considering his well-known feelings about leaving.
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6 April 2013 at 07:54 #4233Hi @tiddler welcome aboard!
That’s interesting because of what it says about Tennant’s role. If they were interested in bringing back Ecclestone then they must have wanted a 3 Doctor story – and as far as I can remember there were no clones of 9.
It points towards Tennant actually playing 10, rather than his semi-clone from the alternate reality.
6 April 2013 at 09:04 #4235@craig Re Tennant – not necessarily, he could still play both. And knowing Moffatt he’ll have had several possible story strands depending on who and what technology (eg old footage) is available. Shame Ecclestone is pissed off. He deserves to enjoy the credit for being a key part of the reboot.
7 April 2013 at 17:42 #4473I have to say I wasn’t surprised, but still disappointed, by the announcement.
At this time, let’s spare a thought for one of the most frustrated individuals in that business called “Show”. Chris Ecclestone’s agent. I mean – can you imagine:
2004
Agent: “Chris – this is incredible. A fantastic renewal of a cultural icon. The announcement of your casting and budget means that this could be something huge. This could run and run….”Chris: “I’ve just announced I’m leaving after one series”
Agent: “Bugger”
2006
Agent: “Chris – your appearance in series one of Heroes. That was brilliant. Everyone loved you and your character Claude. They want you back in the second series with an extended role.”Chris: “Not doing it. I fancy theatre next”
Agent: “Shit”
2013
Agent: “Chris, thanks for meeting Steve. There is so much potential for you in this. There is a buzz. Let’s get you out there, celebrating a great role you did… can you imagine the potential”.Chris: “Told ’em I wasn’t interested”……BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Agent puts down phone and weeps quietly over lost percentages.
7 April 2013 at 17:56 #4479@phaseshift — yes, he’s not the most straighforward of fellows, is he?
It’s a shame he’s still not playing. At the very least they could have stuck him in a green perspex pyramid for a day.
Although maybe it’s all a bluff. Maybe he’ll show up after all. (I’d personally like to see something like Giles’s return at the end of Season 6 of Buffy … all is lost. Bang!! No, it isn’t…. cue credits….)
9 April 2013 at 09:46 #4773Guys, Margaret Thatcher is still dead, and this is Trafalgar Square, this morning:
9 April 2013 at 09:58 #4777@pufferfish — she’s not dead. She’s just been sent back to sleep by the singing of children…
9 April 2013 at 11:55 #4793Um, folks – I’m probably one of the very few Guardian readers who can say this, but:
Margaret Thatcher to me was both the national figure and ‘a nice grown up who always remembered to ask me how I was doing at school’.
I’m avoiding the Guardian at the moment because I know exactly what the reaction will be over there, and I’d truly appreciate it if we could stay off the subject here.
9 April 2013 at 12:07 #4799@bluesqueakpip – Agreed re not bringing too much of the dimension of Real Life over here (Tho I suspect an MT debate with you could be fascinatingly intense!!) 🙂
9 April 2013 at 21:06 #4865The filming at Trafalgar Square showed the Doctor hanging from the bottom of the TARDIS, with Clara inside. Has the TARDIS ever left the Doctor before??
11 April 2013 at 00:09 #5057Leaving my reservations regarding the news re: Tenant and Piper appearing in the 50th aside (@bluesqueakpip comes up with a good reason for all the publicity upstream), I wonder if they will only play the chatacters that appear in the alt universe ie Tennant will be the one hearted Doc. Not sure how they’d get out of that dimension though. Then again…
11 April 2013 at 00:47 #5059Minor Spoiler Alert
I hear that Smith has been signed up for 3 movie length eps. Can anyone corroborate?
If true it has implications for the 50th show and would diminish the chance of a 50th regen.
11 April 2013 at 00:49 #506150th anniversary regen obv. Although with Moffat you never know.
11 April 2013 at 08:35 #5067@whohar — it that’s true then I’d suspect that’s the end of there being a regular series. It seems these days the Beeb just wants to make enough to keep the publicity/merchandising trail active but without the expense of a full-blown series.
So I hope this isn’t the case.
11 April 2013 at 09:31 #5081@phaseshift – spluttered my coffee at your depiction of Chris and his agent, 🙂
@jimthefish we were talking about possible double Tardises, and I posted link to the Van Gogh warning painting. Further to that, just remembered there was interview with Matt, early this year, when he said something about how he couldn’t give anything away BUT there was something about paintings.
<Hmmmm, more coffee required!>
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