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[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@ps1l0v3y0u, @jimthefish

Nah, it is an evil TARDIS, designed with evil intent by an evil deity, who turns out to be the progenitor of Maga…

Not only do the recruitment  practises of UNIT leave something to be desired, but when the Doctor arrives and asks them to find S. Triad because her name is an anagram of TARDIS, they all roll their eyes: “Well, we knew that” is the collective response. Well, if they knew that a new technology company was arising led by someone whose name was an anagram of TARDIS, why didn’t they get in touch with the Doctor ASAP?

[Mudlark @mudlark]

@blenkinsopthebrave

The figure in the orange cloak: forget the colour and just look at the outline. Isn’t it the woman who deposited Ruby at the church? Or am I deluded?  I fear that we may be in for a more than usually complicated timey-wimey tangle here.

Incidentally, since I compiled the not-to-scale sketch map of the church and surroundings I’ve found an aerial view of the scene as they were preparing for filming, and I’m pleased to report that my effort was accurate in essentials and has been quite helpful.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@blenkinsopthebrave @jimthefish

Maybe UNIT got hold of the other doctor. They know him. He also has a Tardis. That’s handy. Two Tardises!

I imagine a MAGA Tardis may well be Republican Red. And it would undoubtedly be significantly less good than the one inhabited by Sexyidris. I do fear the outcome of November, but while an ‘evil’ Tardis could be perverted from its original function, it can’t be coeval with the Universe.

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@mudlark

Your sketch map and aerial view: that’s awesome!

And the cloak. Yes, you may indeed be right.

 

 

[syzygy @thane16]

@mudlark @blenkinsopthebrave

Yes, it looks like the figure in the cloak is the same woman.

[syzygy @thane16]

@ps1l0v3y0u

you mentioned the Vlinx….? Interesting. Yes, you’re right it looks a little …Osirian!

 

[WhoHar @whohar]

Saw an RTD post where he stated that there were 5 eps you should watch prior to the finale part deux.

They are:

“Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways” and “The Bells of Saint John” to showcase finale stories and the adventure’s modern London setting.

Jon Pertwee’s Third Doctor debut “Spearhead From Space” as an introduction to UNIT stories.

“A Good Man Goes To War” for its familial reveal twist, and “The Church on Ruby Road”

Seems an odd list, and I’m not sold on RTDs reasons, particularly remembering back to the other rumour about a 3rd Doc tie-in in the finale.

SfS was an Auton adventure…so make of that what you will.

[WhoHar @whohar]

Ah. Just noticed  @mudlark has beaten me to this by a few days, and all while undertaking detailed cartography.

I need to up my Forum game.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

Was just reading that Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson have filmed book-end scenes for a new Tales of the Tardis episode that revisits Pyramids of Mars, to be screened tomorrow on BBC iplayer

Here is the link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/doctor-who-tales-of-the-tardis-pyramids-of-mars

For those with BBC iplayer only, it seems, not for those of us residing in the far flung outposts of empire.

[Mudlark @mudlark]

@blenkinsopthebrave

Thanks for the tip. It’s available from tomorrow, so I think I know what I’ll be doing tomorrow evening 🙂

[syzygy @thane16]

@whohar Spearhead from Space? Does this mean Ruby’s an auton? With musical powers?

A good auton who doesn’t know she’s one? Like the flesh in Matt smith’s Doctor???

I do notice Ruby almost never gets mad. She’s always relatively ….calm  when facing hissing goblins, snot monsters and Alien Bird monsters. 😳😳

[WhoHar @whohar]

@thane16

Well that’s an interesting idea. A bit too Rory for RtD to use it again I’d say. But you never know.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

An update from RTD2 about the Christmas Special.

p.s. he seems to have a very loose understanding of what a spoiler is.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@blenkinsopthebrave

Millie and the story of her family is not over? I can only hope Mr Garnett didn’t have a granddad called Alf.

I suspect, of course, that it’s not over in a larger sense.

[Juniperfish @juniperfish]

Just skiving work briefly to say that TV line also reported on this:

https://tvline.com/features/doctor-who-star-wars-the-last-jedi-ruby-mother-reveal-season-2-companions-1235270336/

[nerys @nerys]

I’ve been waiting for the 14th Doctor specials DVDs/Blu-rays to come to my library, but I guess I’m in for a very long wait, since those media have been released only in Region 2, and I don’t see a release date for Region 1. Not only that, but there are no Region 1 release dates for the 15th Doctor specials and episodes. Just Region 1. Makes me wonder how long this is going to take. *sigh*

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@nerys Sorry to hear that. Is there any chance you can convince the library to subscribe to Disney+?

[WhoHar @whohar]

@nerys

You could buy a region free blu ray or 4k player.

https://www.toptenreviews.com/are-there-region-free-4k-blu-ray-players.

 

[nerys @nerys]

@blenkinsopthebrave Given their limited budget, I doubt it. It’s just sad to me that in an era of supposedly unlimited choices, we are limited in this way. Yes, I could subscribe to Disney+. But for one show? I don’t think so. Our monthly cable budget is bloated enough.

@whohar We just moved. Always great fun. We’ve had limited space for the last dozen years, and so I really don’t want more stuff.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@nerys No one should be denied the opportunity to enjoy Doctor Who. To add to the suggestion by @whohar I just checked  Amazon.ca and you can get a region free DVD player for only $49.95.

Before we moved to Canada Mrs Blenkinsop and I had just such a thing and yes, we had to wait for the DVD to be released before we could see it, but we got to see them, and we loved it!

And…a little region free DVD player is the size of a dinner plate.

 

 

[winston @winston]

@nerys  I am in  the same sorry state here waiting to see the 15th Doctors series and deciding not to pay Disney to watch it.  Other than the 1st series on CBC I have always waited for my kids to order me the dvds when they come out or they never know what to get me for Xmas etc. I am a very patient person who has no problem with spoilers which is lucky cause look where I am.

I hope the heat isn’t too bad down your way, it was pretty hot here for a few days.I thought I was going to melt. Moving sucks! Hope yours was not too awful.

stay safe

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Oooh ooooh! Could be significant! I was researching Rassilon and Omega, and their various chattels and toys… and the working title of Silver Nemesis (1988)…

was…

The Harbinger!!

Sorry someone else has probably spotted this…

If not… yes! Glad to elucidate.

[nerys @nerys]

@blenkinsopthebrave It’s less about the cost of the player and more about having more stuff. And not just the player, but I’d have to buy the DVDs, too. I wouldn’t mind renting them, but after having to move again (and in a situation that wasn’t our idea), I’m trying to minimize our accumulation of stuff as much as possible. The only way I buy books these days is if they’re digital. If I buy a hard copy, an old copy has to go. If we don’t do that, our limited living space starts to overflow.

If there was a way to rent Doctor Who on its own, without having to subscribe to Disney+, I’d do it. And yes, I tried VPN, but BBC iPlayer seems to have wised up to that and won’t allow me to watch if VPN is turned on. Of course, if VPN is off, I’m in the wrong region and can’t watch anyway. So I’m stuck.

@winston (see The Winchester for my reply)

[syzygy @thane16]

@ps1l0v3y0u

Silver Nemesis?! = Harbinger…. Noice. That’s a great sp0t.
@nerys I get where you’re coming from & yes, keeping life free of added-on bits & pieces is less stressful. Our boy has remade his room & study into a monastic copy- bed, shelf, chair, Desk (there’s a 4m by 2.5m world map too). clothes fit in the shelf & the shelf’s study books. He seems to have hammered hooks into the wall for various sporting clothes. 😮

@winston DVDs are always a great buy. I bought a yearly Disney sub but I forgot that Who was only 8 episodes, not 13. It’s a big difference leading Rus to get to the point super-quick which shows, at times!

[nerys @nerys]

@thane16 Yeah, I’m just at that point in my life when I’m tired of acquiring more stuff, especially something that for me is only for temporary use, and then having to figure out what to do with it all when we move yet again. It really makes me want to just not get more stuff.

(See the rest of my reply in The Winchester, so as to try to keep from going too far off-topic here.)

[has.ayres @t2662]

Hi guys i have the torchwood books series for sale 🙂 Just copy the link to take you to my vinted

https://www.vinted.co.uk/items/5014249064-torchwood-doctor-who-books-1-15-and-19-with-archives

 

 

 

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

Christmas Special – Clip

 

 

[janetteB @janetteb]

Well that left a smile on my face. Looking forward to it.

thank you @blenkinsopthebrave for sharing the link.

cheers

Janette

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@blenkinsopthebrave @janetteb

Reminded of Deep Breath, not least because the Tyrannosaur seemed oversized… though perhaps less so than the one in The Thames.

any idea who the actor playing the hologram Silurian was?

[nerys @nerys]

Well, that was fun!

[winston @winston]

@blenkinsopthebrave     Thank you for that! It looks like it is going to be a blast. Great to see a Silurian again and of course a T-Rex. Wait, was it a T-Rex?

stay safe

[WhoHar @whohar]

Final ep info (from RTD himself):

The Doctor is doomed, Belinda is lost, Ruby is trapped, UNIT is powerless, the Unholy Trinity rule supreme and the Underverse is rising. And now we can all experience this devastating climax together, all at the same time, with a unique worldwide premiere. I can promise shocks, scares and revelations off the scale. Come and have fun!”

[janetteB @janetteb]

@whohar It sounds promising but then I cannot help but be reminded that it is RTD saying that and he does have a tendency to go so OTT in seasons finals so I have reservations. I suspect that the final will tie up the last two or three seasons, going back to the incident with the salt at the edge of the universe. (at least I think that is what it was that let “all sorts of things into this universe. It has been a while since I watched that.)

thanks for sharing.

cheers

Janette

[Mudlark @mudlark]

@whohar  @janetteb

There was a similar kind of hyperbolic build up for Empire of Death which, to put it mildly, did not live up to the billing. Let’s hope that this finale does in fact provide a resolution for all the various threads and a neat conclusion to this and the last season, without being to wildly OTT.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@mudlark

without being wildly OTT,

We are talking about RTD2, of course.

[WhoHar @whohar]

@blenkinsopthebrave @janetteb @mudlark

the Unholy Trinity

I wonder who this could be. My first thought was either three of the Pantheon (but which ones?), or possibly three Time Lords: Rassilon, Omega and the Master. (Or Meddling Monk, or The Rani).

But I think it more likely that Mrs Flood is one of this Trinity.

We tend to think of Unholy as being bad i.e. the opposite of Father, Son and Spirit in the Christian tradition (or Charlton, Best and Law in the footballing tradition).

But unholy is a subjective adjective so, from the bad guys’ perspective, it could mean a trio of (what we’d call) heroes.

I’m overtaking for sure, and they will probably be characters we haven’t met yet, be evil,  and come from the Underverse, which does at first thought seem like the Upside-down of Stranger Things.

And, yes, RTD and his finales. Especially after last year’s effort, I will be tempering my expectations.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@whohar

Ok. Maybe not The Winchester then…

The Unholy Trinity is The Mara.

I tried to be subtle a while back, but there they are, on the Harbinger’s crud list, which by the way has a paucity of colon, semi or otherwise, so any tautology has rather got away from us, hasn’t it? Hmmm?

Anyway there are three of them on record. Dukkha… er, Chico and Zeppo. They’ve been named now! Too late. This is not just me chucking stuff out. Apparently everyone just HAS to run and powder their nose when the name is dropped. So presumably not THAT holy then.

And they were in The Well. Weren’t they? Mirrors. Yeah? Mind Games? No snake tattoos yet, but that would be a bit of a give away.

Me?? Looking forward to it!

Over to you.

 

[WhoHar @whohar]

@ps1l0v3y0u

The Unholy Trinity is The Mara

I’m not all that familiar, as I haven’t watched much 5th Doc stuff. But the Mara’s ability to get inside people’s heads would perhaps be a pathway to explaining why things are just so darn weird in this run of Who. Maybe they feed on the Doc’s tears (or the accompanying emotions)?

In the Sutekh speech from TLoRS, these trios were also mentioned:

The Threefold Deity of Malice, Mischief, & Misery

and

Gods of Skin and Shame & Secrets

then we have

Incensor, and its children Dread & Doubt

So, could be any of the above, or none.

Similarly, with regard to Mrs. Flood being part of the Unholy Trinity, I believe RTD has mentioned previously that the Song Contest ep (up next), will reveal something about her character, so hopefully we will have something else to go on.

TL:DR – I’ve still no clue, and we’ll have to wait for the penultimate episode.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@whohar
The televised Mara stories were well written and stand out in the extremely uneven seasons 19 and 20. Otherwise you might find them everso rather slight, similar to Image of The Fendahl in that they’re Gestalt entities, ooh nasty but let’s see them doing some bad stuff, shall we?
Bailey based the concept on Buddhism… the Mara manifest a threefold nature: variously greed, hate, delusion; or thirst, aversion and desire; Dukkha, Anatta, Annica.

This could fit either the alliterative ‘S’ or ‘M’ triads from Stupid Sutekh’s rinky dink list, but are they actually the same bunch?

The Mara have issues with mirrors, can’t bear to see themselves. So the denouement of The Well rang a bell. Don’t suppose Russ thought the thing from Midnight was particularly Mara-like when he wrote it.

[WhoHar @whohar]

@ps1l0v3y0u

Thanks for the info. You may be onto something there.

I’ve actually got all The Special Collection blu-rays that have been released (bar Davison’s first season), which is doubly annoying as they were on sale for around AUD 55 at the time, but are now in excess of the equivalent of AUD 250 for a poor copy. I have the regular blurays though. C’est la vie…

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Ok.

So maybe The Unholy Trinity isn’t The Mara. More O’Mara.

But two time ladies… or two of the same time lady… and some one else…

Well, someone picked up a Gold Tooth. Tsk not The Loon again…

Or there is 14 kicking around in Chiswick. REG in the Rogue scan. And the Vlinx.

Also, why is a certain long absent character, the subject of the last series apparently associated in The Doctor’s mind with another returning fave. Well for some. Still can’t stand her. But it might explain the return of Mel.

There again we know at least one critter from Midnight is out there. Maybe The Nasty Twins do something stupid.

[WhoHar @whohar]

@ps1l0v3y0u

The return of Susan was more of a surprise for me than the Rani’s return. But…Archie Panjabi.

I do wonder now if Susan is going to be significant in the denouement.

[WhoHar @whohar]

Weird also how Mrs Flood became so quickly submissive. I am getting some Simm-Master / Missy vibes and I think she (Mrs F) will turn on Panjabi-Rani at some point.

[WhoHar @whohar]

I wonder also if there is a tie-in with the weird Space Babies. As in they are a Rani experiment. Like you said before, she is very Tecteun in character. Could this be Russ riffing on this and / or trying to fix the TC debacle?

[WhoHar @whohar]

@ps1l0v3y0u

The Unholy Trinity

Two Rani and one Master?

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

@whohar

Master? Valeyard? Vindicator. Vlinx. Villengard? The Corporation would have seemed to have had a merger with Harmony Shoals.

Or… the other October 5th eps are…

Paradise Towers… The Great Architect??

Remembrance of the Daleks… The Hand of Omega?

There are some who want the anti being back. Ok. Just don’t give us any scenery chewing but otherwise respected thesps. Or chicken headed mooks. Please.

Also…  to what extent are any of the usual suspects pantheonesque? Titans on a good day. So not giving up on the snake tattoo three just yet. Dunno about TC corrections; on my wish list at best.

BUT… Susan is something else… I’ll wait for the page for my full report.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

The Unholy Trinity. Well, given the new Disney connection, what about Huey, Dewey and Louie?

OK, perhaps not.

[ps1l0v3y0u @ps1l0v3y0u]

Last thought on The Timeless Children before the forum opens… You would think Susan might know something about The Doctor’s Great Gallifeyan Escape. As you guessed I was hinting, it’sfunny she should turn up with The Rani… So, Tecteun/Awsok? Gat? Goth? Thremix?

[WhoHar @whohar]

@ps1l0v3y0u @blenkinsopthebrave

The Unholy Trinity confirmed

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-mrs-flood-identity-correct-newsupdate/

 

[nerys @nerys]

@whohar Thanks for sharing that. Archie Panjabi looks familiar to me, and I had to think of where I’d seen her. Then it came to me. We recently watched I Know This Much Is True, and she gave a wonderful portrayal of the psychologist, Dr. Patel.

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