The Cloven Hoof

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@lisa

While it is great to see the back of him, it was only an internicine putsch, not a change of government, alas. It is as if the Daleks had turned on Davros, but it is still the Daleks running the place. As for Davros’s replacement, is he a “good Dalek”? We shall see.

Although, at least the replacement to Davros supports same-sex marriage and getting rid of the monarchy, which is a big improvement on the weasel he replaced!

[lisa @lisa]

@blenkinsopthebrave Yes, I understand. The Aussies could still need the Doctor 🙂
(although lots of places do)
However it seems like a small shift that might roll into
some more good stuff eventually?

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@Australia    Wow. You can do that? Fabulous. I’d be in full on envy mode right now if it weren’t for the likelihood that we will soon be ditching, not just our PM, but the whole government as well.

Here’s hoping all suppositories go the same way.   🙂

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@lisa

it seems like a small shift that might roll into some more good stuff eventually?

Let’s hope so! Australia has some really good traditions, like a healthy social egalitarianism and a self-deprecating sense of humour, but it comes with some unhealthy historical baggage (like the legacy of the White Australia Policy) which it has never been quite able to shake off.

@arbutus

If only it was possible to pull the chain on Harper!

[Arbutus @arbutus]

@blenkinsopthebrave     Well, a lot of us are hoping that it might be!  🙂

[Anonymous @]

@blenkinsopthebrave @bluesqueakpip @lisa @janetteb

I agree I do.

But really the Labour party -what with Bill Shorten’s latest political and union snafus will end up less likely to win govt because everybody loves Turnbill,

I call him the man of the thousand expensive suits. Public record estimates his value to be quite significant. He’s very admirable, believes in the ‘environment’ and is a gentleman. In many ways he is still a cancerous polyp on the arse end of govt (our lib govt) to quote one @pedant. He despises what he calls ‘debt’-my idea of debt and his are different – believes in user pays and moderate-expensive private schools should have significant funding. He was opposed to the formal apology to the Indigenous Peoples which, whilst a bit of joke to some, did go some way to begin the explanation of Mabo and other confusing issues with their sun down clauses etc.

Still, he wears a nice suit.

What is horrifying is that Bishop is still his DP. And she’s end stage cancer she truly is.

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@purofilion

Yes, yes, I agree.  But…Abbott is gone! (even the words sound sweet) Rejoice in the moment!

 

[Anonymous @]

@blenkinsopthebrave

there were rejoicing in our house! Indeed. I shall not be a miserable lout.

However, Scott Morrison will almost certainly be the treasurer instead of Hockey. I preferred Hockey: a stupid treasurer is better than a nasty one.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@purofilion

however, however…forget all howevers!!

tomorrow may be the day for reflection, today is the day for celebration!

and if it wasn’t about 10am in your neck of the woods, I would suggest a celebratory raising of the glasses!

Oh, what the hell, it’s 10am, so what!

[Anonymous @]

@blenkinsopthebrave Not only are you a gentleman you are a wise human.

It is 9;07 am precisely and as my brother is visiting, we may go out for a celebratory coffee and cake: which, considering the Park Estate wine (I believe he is carrying some 60 bottles in the boot of the car)  consumed last night, will still be flowing happily around the bloodstream. In fact, more wine than blood.

<<*\*>>

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

@purofilion

And she’s end stage cancer she truly is.

Now that’s what I call stretching a simile!

[janetteB @janetteb]

@blenkinsopthebrave and @Purofilion. I have very mixed feelings about the news and Puro I think your description of Turnbull is absolutely apt. He will put a nice face on a rotten government beguiling voters into thinking he is the better option, especially given that the alternative it Shorten who isn’t really impressing anyone.

@pedant Bishop along with along her cronies requires a stretched simile to convey the full nastiness.

cheers

Janette

 

 

[Missy @missy]

Well you all seem pleased! Frankly me and my OH are not! We don’t like Tunrbull, never have and we aren’t celebrating in our house.
Most politicians are liars, promise one thing do something else.
This country has had 5 PM’s in 5 years, would you call that stable? It’s beginning to resemble the Continent – Italy isn’t it? Like a bleedin’ revolving door.
I wonder how long it will be before the public in general, and the Liberal party start moaning about JT and they do it again? Hardly promotes confidence in other countries does it.
Anyway, that’s my opinion. I’d rather vote for The Doctor. *big grin*

Regards,

Missy

[Anonymous @]

@missy

Now come on, not at all of us are ‘pleased’ or smug. However you look at it, though,  @blenkinsopthebrave is correct: Abbott is gone. I understand your position to a point. However I will take issue with the statement:

politicians are liars, promise one thing do something else.
This country has had 5 PM’s in 5 years, would you call that stable? It’s beginning to resemble the Continent – Italy isn’t it? Like a bleedin’ revolving door.

Have you been to Greece ? It’s nothing like this country. We have a measure of stability some European countries haven’t lately had.

On the issue of politicians: change it. Be a part of it. Join a party, start lobbying for change and recognise that the most important element of a democracy is its voting rights -not even families in this view have that type of equality with patriarchy or primogeniture at work.

In any case, not all politicians are liars or false.

I do understand your frustration and anger, Missy, but some people – particularly those in the UK or elsewhere – have seen not only Abbott and his style (which makes Australia a laughing stock) but also the fact that a party in Oz can out-vote a sitting Head. This is astounding in some quarters, but like Gillard, this could affect Turnball eventually. And yes, stability is affected but one must consider the alternative I suppose.

Stability is more important with federalism and that we have!

But I’ll have a glass of red tonight one way or another. I hope you can join us in The Cloven Hoof. Yes, I’ll vote for the Doctor too! I think he can be our Earth President.

Puro  🙂

[Anonymous @]

@pedant I agree it is: however, with a few hours to think, I still think she’s a particularly unpleasant woman. How about I say “vulture”?

To speak about cancer is a bit rude, I understand.

She is a survivor, though. No matter what, she still re-appears -no matter the measures used to remove her! So perhaps I can go back to the original simile!

[Anonymous @]

@pedant

I meant me being “rude” btw! Not you, or anyone else. Stretching similes and metaphors seems to be something I do a  lot.

@missy I hope you didn’t take offence either because I do feel very similar to you. I actually got mad, stomped about the house and said “well this is going to make Labour’s job of getting into govt much harder,” But I also think change happens in increments and if enough people recognise that 3 word statements such as “stop the boats” (that even a politician of my gen, John Hewson, disliked), are puerile, they will speak up via various polls.

A govt is bigger than three little words and sound bytes but for it to work we should all probably recognise our own role: sometimes we get the govt we deserve too.

It’s great that you’re politically minded. So many of the ppl I work with are completely disinterested in politics and act as if it’s at arm’s length: everything that happens doesn’t involve them! Perhaps in Oz, we’ve been quite lucky for too long? Action is sometimes necessary.

[janetteB @janetteb]

@missy I am certainly not celebrating and not a Turnbull fan, far from it. Like @Purofilion I fear that the change of leader to beguile voters into believing that we have now got a respectable government but he is just a superficial smile pasted over the rotten edifice that will continue to destroy all the things that made this such a good country to live in.

One of the problems is that people take “good things” for granted. For instance so few people appreciate just why they have an eight hour day, lunch breaks, paid holiday leave, sick leave, etc etc. They take their working conditions for granted and grumble about unions. “What use are unions,” they ask while enjoying a lunch break that was fought for and won by a union. Free health care and education are likewise accepted as “god-given” not something that was fought for and won through politically active and committed people. Lack of understanding of how we arrived at where we are now leads to lack of appreciation and thus neglect and loss of those things which give us the quality of life we enjoy.

Cheers

grumpy Janette.

[Anonymous @]

@janetteb well said re: the unions

All I hear, day in day out (from workers in their 20s) is “oh, he’s a union man and my father says unions are bad.”

I used to respond but I sigh because they didn’t live thru those days my father lived thru (had he lived he’d be 90 yesterday) where breaks weren’t given, wages  didn’t even provide for food, and housing wasn’t accessible. My husband was sent, with three brothers to an orphanage, for whilst some work existed there was no available housing and employers in “employer towns” didn’t particularly care. So, they were brought up by some very kind nuns and priests who ensured they had 3 meals a day and warm beds at night.

I can scarcely imagine such a situation: turning up at an orphanage knowing your parents might visit in a year on your birthday and whilst Mr Ilion ‘understood,’ his younger brother most certainly didn’t.

Still, there are millions of stories like this one. We are not alone.

But whilst I dislike calling this ‘the lucky country’ I hear stories from people in Columbia, for example, and so I shiver in my boots. It’s a matter of degree: not that it should be. At all. But comparisons enliven us I suppose and provide us with the motivation to keep doing, keep lobbying, writing to editors and doing our bit. It’s civic polity after all (said John Howard, of all people, this afternoon!)

[Anonymous @]

@janetteb @missy

Lack of understanding of how we arrived at where we are now leads to lack of appreciation and thus neglect

Absolutely. And equally, we forget. Our history -or memory of, is short and it suits us to forget sometimes: the things which were fought for and won for both men and women in our little country.

[Missy @missy]

@purofilion

Of course I wasn’t offended puro. We are all untitled to our opinion, and it would take more than that to offend me.
By the way, you were quite right, I did mean Greece.

Regards,

Missy

[Missy @missy]

@janetteb

Hello grumpy! Meet another grumpy. I do agree with much of what you say, although education isn’t free. I remember thinking that we’d end up in the workhouse after paying for our boy’s books and stationary.
That smile you mentioned, reminds me of Keating, when he smiled sweetly and encouraged us to “buy Australian” whilst everything he wore, drove and even his wife, were foreign made.

I have terrible trouble in believing anything politicians say.

Regards,

Missy

[Missy @missy]

@purofilion

Sorry, I meant “INtitled”. blushes profusely.

Missy.

[Anonymous @]

@missy

“I meant “INtitled”. blushes profusely” Ah no, save your blushes! This is a fun pub!

I do get worked up over politics but I can see you also have that rare interest in civics and that’s great. A wise man once said that contentment is dicey: it leads to complacency which is problematic. I agree, education isn’t free but compared with other countries we’re still lucky.

Once, back in the day, many of my friends just assumed they’d head to uni -and did- despite being quite ‘poor’. Now, those same ‘kids’ wouldn’t even consider it due to the overwhelming cost.

I did love Keating in government though 🙂

I’m reminded of an Australian comedian, who, in response to those who were teetotallers, said “we don’t drink beer because we like it! We drink it so we can forget about our worries and to forget in general.”

Maybe that’s why I like my spot of red – a silky taste which removes the edge associated with political cantankerousness

[Anonymous @]

@jimmythetulip

I thought I’d direct this idea to the pub page as it’s a theory; possibly we should be on the Dark Water thread anyway.

Welcome and some great bonkers theorising!  So you’re saying that Missy is Clara  -as the Doctor had no other way of saving Clara, is that right? She was chameleon arched? I thought the Doctor had no idea who Missy was?

How does that fit, then?

I might pop back to the first place you posted this and have another re-read: my memory aint what it used to be. Anyway 2 sleeps left and it’s on!

Kindest, puro.

[JimmytheTulip @jimmythetulip]

@purofilion

Thanks for the welcome. 🙂

Yup, I’m saying that Missy is Clara, or at least both are the Master though only Missy “knows” that they ;re both the Master. Yes, Clara/Master deliberately chameleon arched herself (possibly after meeting Missy and working out the plan) so that she would, effectively become human, just like 10 did and like Professor Yana did (yeah, the Mater’s done this kind off thing before), and could then become the Doctors companion.

The Doctor might recognise Missy BUT Clara/Master’s regeneration into Missy hasn’t happened yet in the Doctor’s timeline so his meeting Missy in Dark Water is the first he’s encountered her. Imagine his surprise if Clara regenerates and suddenly Missy is standing before him. You could equate it to River’s story. The Doctor meets River for the first time but at the same time River has seen the Doctor many, many times. It’s wibbly-wobbly.

[Anonymous @]

@jimmythetulip  WOW 🙂

except here Clara and Missy are in the same room at the same time -at the beginning of Dark Water (I think that’s the penultimate episode?) . Also Clara and Missy in the graveyard with Danny as part- cyberman who recognises, as does the Doctor, that ‘PE’ loves Clara and that is something that “Missy will never understand and always fails to take into consideration” [I’ve paraphrased the Doctor’s speech significantly, but you get my drift].

With River and the Doctor, they met out of sync but there were not several Rivers working with several doctors -so Missy and Clara, in the one space, as one person (but are actually two?) is hard for me to get my head around….but wonderful bonkers nonetheless!

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@purofilion

heck you’re up late or early?

Yeah, I was up very late, due to having an essay on ‘Should Christians engage in the quest for the so-called ‘historical Jesus’? due in by 12 noon.

It was one of those essays where the answer is ‘Yes’, then you think ‘okay, only another 2,499 words to go…’ 😉

Though bits of it were fun; there’s some real ‘footnotes at dawn’ academic catfights in the battles between the ‘we can judge the validity of the history by critiquing the texts’ crowd and the ‘it might possibly, just possibly, be helpful to go out and actually look at the history of First Century Palestine’ crowd. 😈

[Anonymous @]

@bluesqueakpip

Well we can’t have you knackered for Doctor Who diagrams and such!

Ah, the adjudication of historical Jesus quests! I recall ‘doing’ this in an undergraduate situation in a 5th year study course. This was a simple level by comparison with your post grad but I recall a Wortherington or a Worthington as a starter text (my memory is a bit stuffed) but more probably it was  Karl Barth who stood out in the debate.

In the end I recall lecturers (though I think it was only tutors by this stage) speaking about ‘Christ centred’ discussions that were no longer utopia studies but sat in the context of the expected Jewish apocalypse along with authenticity arguments involving the synoptic gospels.

But I agree: like some horribly frightening pure math questions on vectors, the answer is simply ‘yes.’

[Anonymous @]

@bluesqueakpip back in the day we were able to get away with long and rambling discussions which didn’t necessarily fit under the 1000 word limit for an article discussing, say, the right and left handed conductors of the late nineteenth century. Now, what with students’ predilections for internet based ‘research’ and profound thievery, students must bring in arguments under the limit.

The only thing that isn’t included is a discography which is a dreadful mistake: in music, at a certain level, discographies can form 30 to 50% of the discussion so many students can dutifully write their 1000 word analyses of Penderecki’s unique conducting style and provide another shamefully boring 3000 words including the discography which, if you read these things (with a wine glass standing by) involve strange Roman numerals and letters such as: Penderecki, Symp. 1, Rec. 13/5/1952. Vol 6 in Music Quarterly, 111, 45b, 145-870, 67a 1972 reproduced in…..and off it goes!! Another 92 of these and we’re willing to pass this student no matter what. Just let there not be another page, please, Jesus! 🙂

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@Purofilion

Wortherington or a Worthington

Ben Witherington, probably. His text is still in use; there’s a more recent survey by David Gowler, but it’s very biased towards the text-interpretation end of the spectrum and you’d never dare hand it to undergraduates as their sole text. Like I said, ‘footnotes at dawn’; Wright’s 3000+ page several volume study, for example, doesn’t get its own chapter. No, he gets placed in the Jesus Seminar chapter as a mere ‘critic’.

I suspect he pissed Gowler off at some conference. 🙂

I get what you mean about the discography. A lot of the UK uni’s have recently had to impose restrictions on footnotes: they’ve always been very strict on word limits for main text, but footnotes (which didn’t used to count for most places) were getting increasingly long.

Bibliographies still don’t count (long bibliographies are good), but footnotes now must not exceed 10% of the word limit…

[Anonymous @]

@bluesqueakpip Yes, I recall Ben Witherington. I remember tutors using phrases like, “I shall look witheringly at you…upon home readings not finished”

Everyone would say, “aw, that’s awful” etc….

We also have a (recent) 10% rule with footnotes although History (considering its post-modern resurrection) sneers at such and ‘is Harvard.’ Music, as happy traditionalists, use footnotes.

 

[Juniperfish @juniperfish]

Oh dear, it’s rather late for a snifter of the hard stuff but much needed – I’ve been on Twitter reading too many #baeofpigs #piggate jokes. Sometimes life on earth is more surreal than the darkest corners of the universe 🙂

[ScaryB @scaryb]

@juniperfish

Sometimes life on earth is more surreal than the darkest corners of the universe

Indeed! You couldn’t make it up… Oh. Charlie Brooker!! Twitter has outdone itself today. Been crackling 😀

Oink! And cheers!

 

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

No comment:

(although Charlie Brooker must be feeling like a fucking god right now)

[ScaryB @scaryb]

@pedant

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

(Oh damn! I swore I was going to stop these! Rash(er) promise)

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

@scaryb

Somebody’s telling porkies…. they’re for the chop.

[Anonymous @]

@scaryb and @juniperfish @pedant

One of the lesser ‘papers in Oz spoke of the good times when Daleks worked with pigs in America and when the actress from Spooks wore very little (a dress measured in ounces) and danced on stage.

They referred to the dalekised humans capitalising on disaster. It was a Murdoch paper so the impression I had was: a) they missed the RTD days desperately and b) were on the side of the Dalek/ humans who were just trying to make the best of things during ‘depressing’ times.

[Anonymous @]

@scaryb saw your happy comment on the Graun a minute go and added mine but then stalled when I read the venom of quite a few. I added my splutterrants to those -for effect, but by och and ich , I won’t be back!

I feel like I need a shower. The exclamations of discontent are worrying and a bit yuck. Thank heavens for this little place where we talk, discuss and not just say, “childish tripe. We all turned off the shite”

I mentioned that this was a show originally for children and ventured successfully into the family viewing area – where for 50 years it’s stayed. I guess the fact that people feel the urge to comment about how much “they hate it,” is suggestive of a deep love, after all. Like a first love they can’t quite let pass.

 

[janetteB @janetteb]

Oh dear BTL on the Guardian. I am sure there is an army of trolls employed full time in a deep dark, damp cellar somewhere to post negative, spiteful comments on anything relating to Climate Change, wind-farms, the BBC and Dr Who. Sadly they are killing on line discussion. Sometimes I read comments just to recommend those who still speak truth, other times the shrill voices of the rabid depress me too much. I will pop over there now and recommend where appropriate again. We have to stand together. (I am rather certain the “haters” are for the most part not Who fans and never have been. They have a agenda which is most likely to have a shot at the BBC. Some are just twisted and bitter and think bagging something that others love makes them sound clever or tough. There are some sad ARSE fans too thrown into the mix. I wonder how many of those now bagging Moffat are the same “fans” who bagged RTD and could not wait for Moffat to take the reigns.)

Cheers

Janette

[ichabod @ichabod]

@purofilion @janetteb  Thanks for the run down on the basement full of trolls at the Guardian — sounds about right to me!  Naw, the haters don’t love the show, never did.  They actually hate it.  IMO, they are pudding brains, poor dears, the real thing on display.  No wonder you came away wanting a shower!  All that pudding splashing wildly about . . .

[Anonymous @]

@janetteb

“and think bagging something that others love makes them sound clever or tough. There are some sad ARSE fans too thrown into the mix. “

Oh Yes! I heard them complain about wanting RTD and The End of Time re-hashes; needing Tennant; and on and on. There it’s permissible to wallow in “Oh this is shite. Shite I say. My 16 children all thought so too, so there, and we’ll chuck out telly.” One reason why democracy bests families I’m afraid (yeah, OK, I’m over the top now).

We’ve a paterfamilias who decides viewing rules for 14 year olds. Well, fair do. If the competition was X Factor, home shows, cooking comps, Hell’s Kitchen and Big Brother,  I’d throw out the TV and promptly burn it. Can you burn them? With sufficient energy I suppose one can!

Now where’s @whisht? Did you enjoy Episode 1? I haven’t seen you about the Forum.  🙂

[janetteB @janetteb]

@Purofilion You were in fine form “over there”. Some great comments. How many times has someone who claims to be a fan posted that they will never watch again. Even during the Colin Baker years which I did not enjoy for many reasons I did not loose interest in Dr Who. I watched when I could which was very rarely indeed as I was travelling at the time. There was a chef with dubious hygiene at the pub where i worked who used to record it. (all staff “lived in) He would leave it set up for me to watch in my time off. His room stank so much I would position the television set so that I could watch it from the corridor. I don’t remember any of the episodes that I watched that way only the stacks of unwashed plates stowed under the furniture.

Burning TVs isn’t a good idea. Nasty chemicals in the smoke. Better just to unplug from the wall, like we did and watch Dr Who by other means. Course it does mean we miss other things, such as Q&A but friends always fill me in on what happened. (hence my wind farm comment.)

Cheers

Janette

 

[Anonymous @]

@janetteb that sounds like commitment to me!

Yes, I became carried away. I believe it’s important to meet strife with nonsense.

Compared with the truly awful children’s telly I’ve been watching, Who has nothing to worry about: we have truly execrable Wizards and Aliens, Haunted House and also, Spooksville which is basically Sunnydale. Holy trilogies of hell.

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@pedant It’s a crackling good story, though Ashcroft might be guilty of hamming it up a bit. 😉

And I agree Charlie Brooker must be going WTF???

The other one I know (the exact identity of the MP circulates, though it’s usually someone who went to a Welsh university) is a tale of getting very friendly with a sheep as a result of losing a student bet.

For extra embellishment, this tale of deep and loving friendship will have happened on the steps of the Student Union. 🙂

[Mudlark @mudlark]

@purofilion   All power to you and all those here who brave the zoo that is the Guardian blog BT and have the fortitude to engage with the small minded, the obtuse and the haters.  I generally find it too depressing to wade through more that a page or two – and tend, even so, to end up feeling more than a touch misanthropic.

This time, at least, I was encouraged by the fact that, in the few that I read on Sunday, those who enjoyed it and had positive things seemed to be in a majority, and so I may attempt to read more of the comments if I can find the time.  As others have said, the nay-sayers seem often  to be a relatively small, though noisy minority.

[janetteB @janetteb]

@mudlark When I am tired, or have work to do, (both of which currently apply) I feel that I have a duty to read BTL and recommend all the positive posts. There were lots of positive comments. It also cheers me to talk to other fans, I mean actual 3d ones, who are mostly positive. Last week was the first time I encountered any really negative comments but they paled in comparison to those in Guardian blogs. Comments certainly have changed in nature though in the years that I have been reading the Guardian. The small minded, obtuse and hating have grown from a few individuals to a small army determined to dominate the air waves and ensure that their view is the only view, rather like Daleks actually, or so it seems.

Cheers

Janette

 

 

 

[ScaryB @scaryb]

@Purofilion @ichabod

Dinna fret about the BTL-ers! You’re right, there are loads of good people over there (and not just the ones who liked the current story)  and just a few very noisy ones who mostly just want a reaction. They dangle some click bait and wait for a passing fish or other innocent to snap it up. They are few in number but they can make it very unpleasant. Best to completely ignore, and don’t feed them 😉

And it’s good to remember that without @danmartinuk ‘s Guardian blog this place wouldn’t exist.  There are still loads of people there who are knowledgeable and passionate about DW (they just tend to be a bit less dedicated (obsessed/sad?!) than the few energetic trolls).

But it’s a shame because, as @janetteb says, they’ve changed the experience of commenting (although apart from the Guardian, BTL has always tended to be fairly dank and fetid), and not just Who articles. Dr Who articles are popular hangouts for trolls because they are popular and easily baited. ) Haha – love your description – “an army of trolls employed full time in a deep dark, damp cellar somewhere.” It’s important to remember they’re playing a different game from the rest of us who genuinely want a reasoned discussion.

Janette – Your vivid account of watching 6 back in the 80s sounds worthy of a C Baker tale in itself!! Now that’s dedication 🙂 I’d pretty much drifted off completely by then (mainly due to lack of TV and non convert SO), apart from the odd random episode.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@purofilion, @janetteb, @scaryb, @ichabod, @mudlark,

I confess that once this forum was set up (how long now?) by the wonderful @craig and monitored by our worthy Time Lords, I abandoned the Guardian Doctor Who site, and have never returned. Even reading your posts brings back the foul stench of what it was like over there. I feel for @danmartinuk, who tried then, and I believe continues to try, to engage in civilized discussion, but, well…for me personally, life is too short to sink into that fetid bog.

I may not agree with everyone over here, but, by god, I appreciate the civility!

[ScaryB @scaryb]

@blenkinsopthebrave

Very wise.

And yes – enough of “Other Places”.  Let’s keep this place clean, but passionate.

*goes off to find some disinfectant to mop up the pub!*

[Whisht @whisht]

aw – Hi @purofilion {waves to others} – kind of you to ask!

I was actually coming on tonight anyway. Basically couldn’t watch the episode till last night and then had to read everyone’s comments!

Not much to add save a tune and some silly thoughts (I’ll pop over to the right thread for that).

Its ‘interesting’ about the trolls/ Moffat-haters etc. I read a piece about “Putinbots” on the Guardian the other week and instantly thought “I wonder if there are Moffbots…”.

It seems these aren’t “bots” at all but old-fashioned PR (or older fashioned propaganda), where people are paid to write lots and lots of posts BTL and drown out opposing viewpoints. In the end there’s a sense for normal people of “no smoke without fire” – which is ludicrous as otherwise how would we have the opening scene in the episode we just saw!

;¬)

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