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  • #21730
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    two obvious things…
    a weeping angel in the snow(?). and the clock is striking 12…

    but, what are those three “bullet-ish” things on clara’s necklace? any ideas?

    @wolfweed – great spot on the capaldi faces! you are brilliant!

    #21729
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    @Shazzbot – re: the time war

    i interpret the phrase as “the war that raged throughout all of space and time, for control and influence of (and throughout) all of space and time.” both the daleks and time lords would rather die than be under the other’s control.

    also, most (if not all) of the doctor’s defeats of the daleks (on screen) could be considered skirmishes in the time war, if only from the daleks’ perspective. he is their main enemy, and so, the face of their enemies, the time lords. and the fact that he espouses higher personal ideals than those of the time lords, in general, is maybe something they just can’t understand? they don’t seperate his personal reasons for thwarting them, from the goals of the time lords in trying to defeat them?

    all those grand horrors that tennant mentions in ‘tEoT’ (the nightmare child, the degradations of skaro, etc.) probably have some sort of time ramifications, but putting them on screen, trying to show all that, is maybe beyond the scope of what can be filmed? like the ending of ‘2001: a space odyssey,’ it’s probably better left to our imaginations! 🙂

    and, as IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan pointed out, we’ve only seen (specifically) the very last day of the time war. first, in ‘the end of time’ (as an internal battle for the end of all space and time), and now in ‘tDotD,’ as what actually happened, from an historical point of view…

    @wolfweed – re: suspended in gaffa

    what an excellent spot! i wouldn’t be surprised if someone on the design team is a huge fan of kate’s work, as well! (if only we could get her videos in 3d, and up on a big screen.) the little motes of dust drifting about in that shack are an example of the subtle little things that i loved about the use of 3d for this movie… 🙂 🙂 🙂

    #21625
    geoffers @replies

    hello, all!

    i have just settled in for the night, having finally seen tDotD on the big screen… in glorious 3d! this is the first movie i’ve watched in 3d, and i’m so happy that i picked the right one for my first. it really worked so well, on all levels (once my eyes and brain adjusted to the glasses, which only took a few minutes)…

    i would love to write a novel about the experience, as some others here are able to do (!), but i really just want to say how much i loved it. i had seen it twice on bbc america on saturday, already, so it was definitely nice to sit back and bask in the visual spectacle of it all, without having to worry about missing dialogue, or trying to follow along. there were many instances of people cheering, clapping, laughing all together… and a couple of “aaarrrhhhs!” when hurt’s regeneration cut too soon (i had a similar reaction the first time, too)!

    billie piper and chris eccleston got the loudest cheers… at least til tom baker entered the room. i don’t think there were many others present who had already seen it, and i don’t know how the majority kept from being completely spoiled for two whole days!! lol… no way i could have made it that long. but having seen it, it was easier to forgive the excesses of the moment (!), as i knew what the drowned out dialogue was. (the only disturbance, really, was the guy next to me, who drank from his giant iced drink much too loudly, for what seemed like half an hour! but i was so enthralled with how beautiful the movie is, that i was much more forgiving of that than i normally would be…)

    i think the movie is a very well-balanced effort. there’s really so much stuffed into it, with a little for just about everyone… and a lot of some things, which is perfectly understandable, given the state of the franchise. i refer, of course, to matt, jenna, john hurt, billie, and david. i think the time war and the zygons took a backseat to the main story arc (the redemption of the war doctor), and deservedly so. it is a celebration of the doctor, his journey(s), and his companions, after all, and to linger on the villains, or the (possibly infinite) details of the time war, would have taken some of the sheer joy of the celebration completely out of it. at least, imho! 🙂

    the only two on screen things that bothered me? ‘the night of the doctor’ wasn’t shown before the film, and chris eccleston didn’t make a surprise appearance as i’d hoped, except in stock footage. 🙁 too bad, as he would have garnered much goodwill from the fanbase (and made everyone a bit more happy) for just those few seconds of his regeneration…

    the only thing i noticed that others haven’t mentioned (that i know of), is that the theater presentation has more footage than the bbc america broadcast!! it’s not a lot, just a few seconds here and there, in five or six places, but it made me think i was losing my mind when it first happened! (as in, how did i miss that?!) most noticeably, the sequences of the time war were padded a bit… more explosions, more people running about, more chaos… in the scenes before hurt blasts “no more” onto the wall. also, before matt yells “geronimo!” at the end of the gallifrey sequence, he says something like “here we go, gentlemen.” there are a few more examples that i can’t remember
    as well, but it really makes me wonder why the bbc america broadcast was truncated this way, as the total edits couldn’t have amounted to more than 4 to 5 minutes of screen time? did anyone else notice this?

    or… maybe i am losing my mind?! will have to re-watch the tv broadcast just to be sure… 😉

    anyway, long weekend, long night, much fun… bring on the christmas episode!! i’m so excited for peter capaldi’s (full) introduction, in a way that i wasn’t when david was leaving. i will be sad when matt is gone, but i have so much hope for the future of doctor who! matt’s doctor will die… but, long live the doctor!

    cheers!

    [oh, and p.s., i think osgood will turn out to be the sister of someone very important, perhaps a royal? or, she’ll be a descendant of one of capaldi’s other old characters…]

    #20750
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    @wolfweed – can’t wait to put on my 3d glasses, too! at least, that’s what i’m assuming those are? very strange gathering of bespectacled people, otherwise…

    🙂

    #20461
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    @wolfweed – oops, should have read “in the second trailer… over on ‘the trailer – discuss it here’ blog…

    #20460
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    @wolfweed – regarding the picture in your post above (#20403), i just posited a [very-hopeful-yet-probably-too-good-to-be-true] sighting of a similar figure/silhouette, in the second trailer…

    am wondering if you might see the same thing?

    that picture looks like an older mcgann/much, much younger john hurt, to my eyes…

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    #19268
    geoffers @replies

    [spoiler space, sorry i’ve forgotten to do this previously, i’m still learning/remembering, please don’t feed me to an ood, or lock me up with prisoner zero, or turn me into anything unnatural!] 😉

    @timeloop – i don’t think we’ve seen this particular painting this past series, unless it’s hanging somewhere in that gloomy house in ‘hide?’ and i don’t have the time to re-watch all the AG episodes looking for it anywhere else! (but, oh, how i wish i had the time!) i do think it will turn up early on in ‘tDotD,’ like the painting of clara in ‘tBoSJ,’ and the van gogh in ‘tPO.’ i wouldn’t put it past moffat to have secreted it in some other episode, though! he’s sneaky, that one…

    #19267
    geoffers @replies

    ah, so many good ideas percolating around here! to whomever first came up with the 50(900) years in a day idea… that’s brilliant! some sort of reset/universe(s) reboot is surely afoot, as the doctor has to somehow rewrite his history (or prevent his future) to survive… and for the show to carry on? or, maybe just because moffat loves a good reset so much!

    though i’ve not seen the mcgann movie, yet, i do wish that the reset (assuming there’ll be one) would only go as far back as the time war, breaking/removing the time lock (and freeing the time lords and daleks)… perhaps even preventing it altogether? removing the “baggage” of being (practically) the last of his race would free up the doctor to go back to travelling the universes, as before, without always being targeted by his enemies to such a desperate degree. (i think others have expressed a desire to have the time lords return, as well?)

    and i like to wonder if moffat ever considered bringing back mcgann, who could pick up his sonic after the 50th and move forward as the “next” doctor? (assuming he’d want to do it, of course. and with no slight intended to capaldi, who i expect will be solid, if not quite up to matt’s level.) THAT would be a huge surprise for all fans, BG and AG alike!

    wouldn’t it? 🙂

    #19098
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    @timeloop – re: the letter, it doesn’t say “under gallifrey,” it says the “under gallery.” something to do with the royal art collection, at some point in history? kind of like the van gogh painting of the exploding tardis that was found in ‘the pandorica opens,’ it’s probably just a warning letter from a queen or king, trying to help the doctor… 😉

    #19021
    geoffers @replies

    hello, all!

    might as well put these thoughts here, so that you can rip my theories to shreds, haha!

    a friend and i had a long think about hurt doctor’s placement in the established line a while back, and we were wondering if he could maybe be between david and matt? whilst lurking about, i remember there was some discussion about the flashback sequence shown to the cyber controller, wherein there’s an interruption as david’s face changes to matt’s. it’s an image from david’s regeneration, and it’s probably only there to show the cyber controller how regeneration works. but, we figured hurt doctor might have come next (10.5?), and whatever he did is to be revealed in the 50th (and reversed, or otherwise un-done).

    the resulting paradox of bringing him back, and somehow merging with 10 and 11 (or just ceasing to be), could explain why the regenerative energies were extra-powerful, and damaging to the tardis. (or, there’s an extra tardis, or two, merging at the same point in time, causing the same effect. hence, the van gogh painting, which is probably the tardis exploding, per ‘the big bang,’ but might also be two tardises crashing together, maybe?) i know that the most obvious view is that 10 REALLY didn’t want to go, and that the regeneration was overblown because of his mental state… but, his mental state could also have impacted the process of regeneration, leading to hurt doctor, no? a slightly more mad madman in a box (!) who then would go on to do whatever he did…

    another thought i had just a while ago, is that maybe hurt doctor really is 11’s secret (and his only), as he says in ‘tNotD.’ could he have created this character using that room in the tardis that can create anything? i know the implication was that it could make any machine (and perhaps was where “the moment” was forged, to seal the time war?), but i can imagine, sometime before the teselecta, 11 getting desperate enough, to avoid dying at lake silencio, that he might try to build his own replica (having been exposed to the idea by the teselecta, perhaps). it’s a far-fetched idea, i know, but i only just had it! lol…

    i’ve begun to think of the hurt doctor as some iteration of a time war doctor (aged mcgann, pre-eccleston), and i just wonder if moffat’s allowing us to think that, based on what he’s wearing? which is strong evidence, that i can’t contradict, except to point out that he could choose any clothing that might be lying about in the tardis wardrobe, if he were “born” there. davison’s is the only other regeneration i’ve seen (other than AG who), and his clothing was “suggested” by the tardis, as well!

    the other reason i think it might be a feint by moffat, is the teselecta, itself. i remember thinking, upon first viewing, “what happens if these guys copy the doctor?” and then, later, when the ganger doctor was created, i latched onto him (and the alternating blue tie/red tie affair) as the solution to the death at lake silencio… only to be rudely reminded that the answer, the simpler answer, was there all along.

    anyway, i’d love everyone’s thoughts on all this. i don’t pretend that i’m going to guess anything correctly, as i have a horrible track record with predicting what’s going on. but it’s part of why i love the show, the puzzle aspect that moffat has introduced (or expanded), and i hope it doesn’t go away completely once he’s gone (though it could be downplayed a bit, so that it’s not always the underlying theme of the series). but, bonkers theorizing is in my dna, i suppose!

    cheers…

    geoffers

    ah, and one other thought. when the official poster was released, i had an “aha!” moment, in that hurt is pictured “between” 10 and 11! maybe nothing, but…

    #19019
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    @scaryb – haha, you could say he “wormholed” his way into my heart! in the past decade, there have been only three shows i’ve watched religiously, since discovering them: the re-imagined ‘battlestar galactica,’ ‘house,’ and ‘doctor who.’ and once i’ve watched all the (available) BG who, i might pick up a few of the novels, or the audio adventures, and try those too… 🙂

    #18841
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    @blenkinsopthebrave – no river, and no rory, either? though i’ve only watched it about 20 times, so far… 🙂

    geoffers

    #18840
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    @wolfweed – thanks for the link to that breakdown of all the references. i was just about to ask what the red sphere is, that davison is throwing (and which passes by smith after he grabs his sonic). but what is the significance of “no more,” spray-painted on the girder? which doctor was that, tennant? (i’m only familiar with AG who, and my memory isn’t quite what it used to be…)

    geoffers

    #18839
    geoffers @replies

    greetings, everyone!

    i have been lurking about for a while, and finally found the courage to sign up a few days ago. i’ve been enjoying all the speculation about the upcoming 50th special, but i will put my thoughts about that in the proper place, as my schedule allows…

    for now, though, i’ll just say a few words about how i have come to be such a raving whovian! i began watching in 2006, but i didn’t realize i was viewing repeats of chris eccleston’s season (on the u.s. sci-fi network, i believe, or perhaps bbc america). i was intrigued by the few i saw, and then suddenly tennant’s first season began showing instead. i was somewhat taken aback, but i carried on watching, till i had figured out what was going on. i have to admit, the lovely rose was the one who, initially, caught (and held) my attention. but eventually i fell for david, once he and martha were well into the next series. i was sure that the role couldn’t be played any better, and then, along came matt! peter capaldi will have an extremely tough job of it, replacing smith…

    but, here’s where it gets weird. i had known about doctor who since school, way back in the 80’s, though i had never watched a single episode. my best friend was a huge fan of the show (and of all the british imports of the day: kate bush, the young ones, monty python, etc.), and i remember he would go on and on (and on!) about it to me, and while i’m sure i was interested (as a fan of sci-fi, in general), i have no idea why i never tuned in. perhaps i was just more into music, and reading (i read ‘the lord of the rings’ about 10 times before i graduated from high school), than i was television? i don’t know, but i just didn’t “get it.” i remember he also tried to get me interested when the mcgann movie was shown here, and i might have even watched the beginning of that movie, but i can’t be sure (not till i get around to finally seeing it, at any rate). anyway, with that in mind, i have recently begun watching peter davison’s run (to try to catch up on some BG episodes), and i knew what was happening for most of the first 5 or 6 serials! it was surreal, to say the least, to know what was going on, while having never seen any of it before. all because he had gone into such great detail, all those years ago…

    the sad part of the story is that my friend, ron, passed away in 2005, (i think) before the series was revived. he and i had drifted apart, as friends sometimes do, but i’m sure he knew it was coming back. i wish that he could have made it through the first series, at least. i can’t watch an episode (nor listen to kate bush) without thinking about him, or wondering what he would have had to say (at length!) about it. i’m sure he would have loved every minute, and all the doctors equally, as i do, now (well, with that slight favouring of matt). his first doctor was tom baker, and i’m sure (once i go further back to view his run) that i will have that feeling of familiarity again, my peculiar “doctor deja vu…”

    and i’m just as certain that he would be a member of this forum, as well!

    but, enough for now. it’s a pleasure to meet everyone (the familiar, and the not so much), and i hope i might contribute fairly regularly. once the 50th has come and gone, the long wait for capaldi’s first season will just have to be filled in with more of the BG episodes (next up, ‘the five doctors’), but i’ll be poking around in the other threads, as well, so… unexpect the expected…

    jeff

    a.k.a. geoffers

    #18828
    geoffers @replies

    hello, all!

    new member here, sorry to drop in so suddenly. (thanks to craig, for sorting my login problems a few days back.) i will endeavour to properly introduce myself later, but for now i just wanted to say 1) hello!, and 2) i think the reflection in the globe is susan…

    i could be wrong.

    anyway, what a spectacular trailer! well worth the wait…

     

    cheers from america,

    jeff

    a.k.a. ‘geoffers’

     

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