@nick

To me that opens the possibility that any cyberman could be freed

Yes, that definitely seems to be the case. There’s definitely other cases where Cyber-programming is defied. Toberman and Lytton from the BG series both spring to mind. And then there’s Kroton, who I think the Cyber-Bill plot was definitely channelling on some level–

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@Nick

Meaty chunks can’t act…

@Miapatrick

I don’t know about her being turned back into a human ‘it’s only atoms’ – I don’t think that power has been established for Heather/pilot, nor can it be as easily extrapolated as the idea that, being a creature who can travel anywhere in time and space, she can drive the Tardis.

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Ah ok thanks @nick.

the episode was great but I was left bemused a bit at the end, because it was almost like I was expecting another 20 mins where we see the Doctor return to save Nardole or we see him die before the end scene with Heather, Bill and Doctor. You?

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@nick Yeah, there was definitely a Disney-esque feel to Bill and Heather’s reunion — and from there the Doctor coming back around, however reluctantly.  I do wish the former had had more setup, but on the whole I think it worked, and so did the Doctor’s revival.

It’s funny to see that happen with Twelve specifically because in my fanfic “What…[Read more]

@nick I agree I don’t think a Valeyard story is likely especially as in part it would mean that the BG Timelords would have had to known of the great Time War which just doesn’t work for me. If anything I suspect whoever bought him back would make the Valeyard something like the Other TenantDoc or even the Jenni the Doctors Daughter,  but one…[Read more]

@nick—

The Cyber-Bill scenes add to the Doctor’s moral quandary with the Cybermen doesn’t it ?

It totally does. And unlike Daleks, or just about any other ‘villains’ who are making a conscious choice to be ‘evil’, justifying the killing of Cybermen is a lot more dubious. They have no free choice. They are ordinary people who have had som…[Read more]

@nick, I don’t really mind her saving Bill. She’d already stalked her across time and space. And turning her into a creature like herself was fine, better than being a cyberman – much better, but she still retains the loss of her human body.
I suppose the problem with establishing depth to the relationship is Bill’s wide eyed and delighted…[Read more]

Well I’m late as usual – just reading through everyone’s comments!

I love the Missy passing her ring to the Doctor theory @Wolfweed . I have no doubt the Master will return in future Who by some means or other – there did seem to be some unspoken communication passing between them. And like you @Nick I am still hoping for a Valeyard story -…[Read more]

@nick  What does feel epic enough indeed?  All things considered, I think one of the best things about the ending of this episode is that Christmas might go in an epic direction, or something smaller and more personal…we just have to wait and see.

@nick   whether the “Sontarans changing the course of Human History” is the plot of the Christmas show or just some random thought that popped out of his brain whilst the Doctor was communing in the Tardis ?

Well, among Tom Baker’s first lines was one about Sontarans “perverting the course of human history,” and the 12th Doctor also shouted i…[Read more]

@bluesqueakpip  Exquisite post as ever.

I’m hogging here but I just had to say, what’s with all the young folk nowadays saying ‘I’m dying’, ‘I died’, etc. ?

I get that it’s an expression (cool jargon) to explain how emotionally wrecked that finale made them.

I just think it’s a bit crass. In fact, I die every time I read it…

Maybe I’m j…[Read more]

@Nick  Okay – 14 + 1 = 15

Satisfied?

@Nick and @Wolfweed

The entire thing about the dematerialisation circuit was basically establishing that Missy does have some vague memories of things s/he thought were really important to remember.

Personally, I’d reckon that getting shot in the back by your earlier self was something s/he might consider important… so there’s undoubtedly a…[Read more]

@thane15

No, if you go back to the Face The Raven forum you’ll find I was sufficiently negative about the episode that @Whisht jokingly asked if I was trolling and @Blenkinsopthebrave asked if I were in the stages of grief. 🙂

@Nick said a bit ago that he didn’t think Face the Raven could carry the weight of a companion’s death (if I’ve got…[Read more]