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13 May 2013 at 18:10 #8937
@bluesqueakpip Might that explain the curious line about breaking the TARDIS in?
13 May 2013 at 13:58 #8915@ardaraith I am indeed! Our take on the Lake District đ Been to Errigal years ago, gorgeous place.
13 May 2013 at 13:49 #8913@timeloop I’ll have a Wispa!
Just avoid any other sources, they’ll probably have spoilers or hints of where to look for spoilers.
13 May 2013 at 12:12 #8889I wrecked The Sixth Sense for someone about a month ago; I try to avoid blabbing now.
@lula Because Americans, particularly southerners, do thisâweâll talk to anyone, anytime, any reason. Iâve been told a Londoner would look at me as if Iâd lost my mind
@Shazzbot the locals would look you in the eye and say [the northern England equivalent of] âHowdy yâall!
Isn’t it brilliant? It’s maybe the same in Ireland, never met a Southerner who wasn’t chatty though so maybe it’s nothing alike! I didn’t know the mad-eyed Londoner thing when I visited the place so that was interesting đ
12 May 2013 at 23:43 #8829@Shazzbot Other than being a total dick just because they can be? Because being a total dick was an option with the Olympics, and they stifled their bollocks.
I wouldn’t want to piss off Olympians either.
12 May 2013 at 12:14 #8704@craig Didn’t pick up on that! Perhaps as each episode has been touted as cinematic or seeing the entirety of the mystery in about a week?
12 May 2013 at 11:14 #8697@scaryb Really glad they didnât all move as fast as that first one (Did I miss something about why that was the case?)
That was unexpected! If they can upgrade on the spot, how did that come about? Seemed almost like the repeated iterations concept from JttCotT. I know some have said both they and the Sontarans have been… reduced so I’d be curious to see them as they were.
@thedoctordude The âChildâs brain with infinite potentialâ line very much reminded me of the leaf from RoA
Perhaps that’s also why the GI takes an interest in them?
Thanks for the Mechanical Turk mention @wolfweed! Knew I’d seen it before but couldn’t think of the name.
11 May 2013 at 21:59 #8617Well, that was a bit good. Doesn’t she get really commanding when kids are in trouble?
@Shazzbot The two soldiers who lived through it all were remarkably similar to the thin-fat-gay-married-Anglican priests/soldiers of AGMGtW.
Yes! For ages, I thought the fat one in this was played by the same actor as last time. Ages! I’m still not sure.
Now there’s an all clear, off to watch He Said She Said.
10 May 2013 at 22:05 #8473@Shazzbot My first proper (possibly bonkers) theory? đ It does sort of fit if you consider that tattoo – a paradox or constantly recreating. Bit like a phoenix really.
Sir Satsuma Joe đ
10 May 2013 at 20:09 #8463Hmm, not liking the last page… But yes, the Mass Effect whingefest is something I’m familiar with! Such daftness. Never mind that everyone apparently loved the same set of endings when they used it in, of all things, Deus Ex.
I demand Aeris be resurrected though.
Failing that, and being somewhat on topic, The Corsair. Well, why not? Properly on topic! For this fandom, I can’t fathom the reluctance towards change (the foundation of the show?) though I realize it’s likely a minority and I’ve missed out on a lot of history to ‘get’ it.
Can’t please all of the people all of the time eh?
10 May 2013 at 18:55 #8459I did find this after above discussion (well, discussions). Found it interesting too! đ
10 May 2013 at 18:43 #8454@scaryb Brave new world really đ I’m glad this place (and the other one, despite the odd glitch) is my first encounter with the mighty fandom!
10 May 2013 at 17:11 #8442@bluesqueakpip Because you know, absolutely know, that if it was announced in advance that a female actor was playing the Doctor, there would be such a massive â well, Iâve used the term âInternet shitstormâ before.
That’s just daft. It could be interesting and new; those are very good reasons for doing it!
10 May 2013 at 17:01 #8441@scaryb Well, I suppose there is an overlap between them (for function) so maybe Arch Recon can make arches for Time Lord recon? That took a bit of work really.
9 May 2013 at 22:29 #8396@wolfweed “Give us a hand!”
9 May 2013 at 20:24 #8376Architectural reconfiguration?
9 May 2013 at 15:03 #8330@Shazzbot It’s the main thing I’ve got from this site! Never really watched the show in that way, it adds a whole new bonkers dimension đ
Also picked up the focus on motherless children (perhaps including Ada), more as a comparison to the fatherless ones in earlier series than anything else. Pretty sure I’ve seen that idea mentioned on here.
@charlie-cook Indeed; I thought it possibly relevant (that new bonkers dimension again) or more likely just Gatiss naming her Ada (and Doctor as monster) after the fact as another little nod đ
9 May 2013 at 14:37 #8321@Shazzbot She said she came to stay âwith friendsâ for a week before travelling, but then the Mum died and she has stayed for a year.
Converse to Harvey (Artie? Nah) also being trapped on the asylum planet for a year but thinking it was only a few days? Never spotted that ‘friends’ thing! Thought she just meant the families knew each other.
9 May 2013 at 13:00 #8306About Clara; perhaps they’ll explain the leaves, missing years, mystery photographer, penchant for dying near epic ladders (another mirror there I think; one going into the earth, the other to the sky), shop woman and her mum. Have I missed anything?
@blenkinsopthebrave I would encourage the enthusiasts of nu Who to take the plunge and discover the wonders of classic Who.
Must say, ‘The Faces of the Doctor’ thread has got me really intrigued about those. I do work with stats (SPSS) the odd time so Statsuma raised a laugh.
9 May 2013 at 11:55 #8300@Shazzbot the tendency in nu-Who to have companions with complicated family lives
I suspect, first, it’s simply to act as replacement for that family he’s (seemingly) lost and perhaps he does a bit likewise. Isn’t each family missing something? So, dramatic effect. That’s an overall Nu-Who view. The Waltons in Space doesn’t sound that appealing.
Second, you could see it as another arc (by RTD not Moffat) instead really. Young working class Rose, 20something middle class Martha, 30something working class Donna (as reflection of Rose?) and finally Wilf. Not sure where the occasional companions would fit into that. Well, not yet.
Perhaps both those possibilities at once. Perhaps I’m wrong. I’ve only just thought of them (and the rest) after all.
But really (within that dynamic) I think it’s to ground them, as they ground him, and give some perspective. They all stop in the end.
If we’re talking Moffatt, it’s more settled with one companion. He grows up with her, loses her to real life (she has no time for him) and he winds up marrying her kid. That’s some development eh? People say it’s all about the companions but, really, in the long run is it not his story? How he changes from that veteran.
No clue on Clara yet. Of course đ
One thing I did notice was Ace-Grace to Rose-Martha. Probably nothing.
@ardaraith I’ve suggested that Monk possibility a few times but had doubts as I’ve never seen his episodes and there’s only one or two of them anyway. Still, nothing’s impossible!
8 May 2013 at 21:45 #8270@ardaraith I would prefer to see the Doctorâs unique worldview and moral code explicitly expressed.  It would delight me to see a human perspective contrasted with that of an alien species, and both respected. Itâs such a great narrative for exploring cultural and ideological diversity.
Wouldn’t mind that myself! Must admit, this conversation makes me curious about how other cultures perceive the show.
@Shazzbot I blame Fbook for turning us âever inwardâ but that was years before the development and writing of C Eccelstoneâs Doctor.
Ain’t the deactivate button grand though? đ
So ⌠is the twist for the post 50th show that the Doctor gains a companion who eggs him on in his wildly destructive impulses? Where could that possible go, but into a hole shaped like the Doctor who already needed to lay low so people forgot about him for a while?
With other theories/clean slate palaver, it might be those destructive impulses are quelled. Somehow. Maybe. It’s going to be a really long wait for those 90 minutes eh?
8 May 2013 at 18:59 #8243@htpbdet I think this arc is about, in its simplest terms, how the Doctor needs his friends to survive.
Hmm, isn’t there some literary thing about heroes being surrounded with allies/friends while villains are alone?@Shazzbot Did any of the original companions not fulfill this important role with the Classic Doctors?
Not sure they did; seems like they protect him from those excesses or going off the edge from the aftermath of the Time War. A Town Called Mercy with Amy talking him down.
8 May 2013 at 15:57 #8228Spoilers
Spoilers
And
Again.
@ardaraith Didn’t know about that preview business! Spanner moment. But yes, that’s one of the pics I meant. Proper intriguing.
8 May 2013 at 14:59 #8224@htpbdet Flickr or ImageShack?
8 May 2013 at 13:02 #8215I’m not that eloquent but
@htpbdet I admit to the fact that I was afraid to make the Hartnell and Regeneration posts â I was worried that there were not what you younger and cooler folk wanted
No need because
I am not sure if this is the kind of thing people had in mind for this thread.
Yes it is. So thank you.
8 May 2013 at 12:27 #8210There’s a few shots and scenes which suggest, to me, a very emotional ‘converted’ Doctor (with tech very similar to the Gunslinger’s tattoo, as suggested on episode thread) and that two Doctors theory. If not that, facing himself for something?
Speculation but thought to put it here from views on trailers etc.
8 May 2013 at 00:13 #8186@ardaraith Ah. Just when I thought I was onto something! Like the matriochka stuff during the first half. Speaking of blue light/into water, red light/away from fire. I may still be seeing things which aren’t there đ
7 May 2013 at 19:45 #8145I don’t really have theories; new at this. Erm… some other (ally) 7.1 characters will make a reappearance? Still curious about the voice-overs for those (missed theorising there) and the Shakri not appearing since. Mind you, thinking on the prophecy, perhaps it’s Silence will (or must) fall when the question is asked. Hence trying to prevent it. No doubt that’s already been suggested! Back to the start, their first mention at the fall of the eleventh hour? If he’s being followed by an invisible snapper now, maybe he was always being tailed! Unless the focus is on Clara. Human versions of her (while on Earth) anyway. Hmm.
Best I have really.
Oh, someone mentioned the appearance of the TARDIS changing in The Snowmen. Perhaps he did visit there (as intended) immediately after this episode? ‘Look at the muck in here’.
@thommck Difficult to make it out but ‘The Giant of something Pass’. Dastardly Donna on the right as well.
@ardaraith Oh yeah, that prequel. What was reflected in his eyes?
@juniperfish Perhaps? Probably a stretch, seemed the place!
7 May 2013 at 14:34 #8117@ardaraith That was interesting! The monk’s voice did remind me of the Gunslinger though. A meddling monk? đ
@bluesqueakpip I hadn’t thought of mirrors for Clara before. Well, apart from Emma Grayling.
7 May 2013 at 12:40 #8108@bluesqueakpip Thereâve been a lot of characters mirroring the Doctor, this half of S7. In Bells of St John it might have been the GI; in fact itâs possible the GI absorbed more of Troughtonâs Doctor than he thought. In Rings it was the Grandfather god. In Cold War it was the Professor. In Hide we had another Professor.
In Rings, could it have been both the Grandfather and the Queen of Years? She struck me as more of a mirror against the Lord of Time; one the last survivor of a race (with all the memories of them/their culture etc), the other being sacrificed (from learning all that history) so countless people would live. The old man and the young girl.
7 May 2013 at 08:45 #8102He just took the cot from Demon’s Run didn’t he? Hmm, just saw otherwise. Mind you, how did they get it?
@blenkinsopthebrave (There is some reference to him being the lonely boy.For the moment I have forgotten where.)
Yes, it was The Girl in the Fireplace. A lonely boy and lonelier man whose name is more than just a secret.
6 May 2013 at 17:56 #8033@Shazzbot (Speaking of âHideâ â what the F was that episode named for? No-one was hiding or needed to hide in that story, even the Doctor.)
I thought it referred to the secrets people hid, truths obscured from intent (Professor Palmer) or accident (the ‘monster’). It could also tie to ‘a hide’ (think that idea was mentioned before) for viewing in light of the photo from that episode appearing in this one?
@juniperfish the Daleks, the GI, the Silence, the Angels and the Master will all make an appearance (not so sure about the last two but wth).
Was there mention of that drumming from the spilled Encyclopedia Gallifreya? If I heard right, I’d like to think that wasn’t just throwaway but wouldn’t it also mean the Time Lords returning?
6 May 2013 at 11:58 #7999Bit of a callback but the discussions on Caliburn House and The Library? Cal: I burn.
In the history of the show, have people explicitly referred to The Doctor by his regenerations? Just wondered from all the speculation on ‘fall of the Eleventh’.
Has the sliver of ice gone after Journey then? Has the (possible) role of music/sound been mentioned before?
Bells – Well, bells to rouse him.
TROA – The eternal lullaby/lyrical history.
CW – Ultravox. OK, just time setting? Unless as reminder of Skaldak’s daughter, lyrical history again.
Hide – Music room, the (other) heart with a cold spot.
JttCotT – Finding the right point to fix everything.
CH – Time setting again? Overlooking the ‘error’.
Oh, and AOTD with music to keep hold of humanity?None of that might mean anything!
5 May 2013 at 16:51 #7899Hello all, another mostly lurker from the other place! Much prefer this one of course. A little thing that’s niggled me is that ‘rapture of summer/summer falls’ mention; had thought it (obviously?) meant Clara as both ‘her’ deaths have been during winter or a wintry climate. No idea about the rapture! Meeting the Lord in the air? Hmm, perhaps both were merely references to The Snowmen then.
Byron also had an illegitimate daughter with Mary Shelley’s stepsister. They christened her Clara.
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