S33 (7) 13 – Nightmare in Silver
7 May 2013 at 22:30 #8163
What horrors lurk in Hedgewick’s World of Wonders? The perfect theme park day out is also ground zero for a deadly silver resurrection.
P.S. I opened this up early as a sort-of anti-spoiler experiment. Feel free to post now if you have info about this episode even before it is broadcast (or airs), but please treat all posts as you would spoilers. For more info please see the new Forum Etiquette page.7 May 2013 at 23:24 #8179
I wonder what the new Cybermen will sound like? High hopes for this episode.8 May 2013 at 05:09 #8187
Having just read the.link posted by @phaseshift, my expectation levels are like the Doc’s sonic. Rising.8 May 2013 at 11:18 #8197
Am trying to avoid trailers, pics etc as much as poss <I know, I know, what the hell am I doing in here then!>
Two things that really struck me about the Dr’s new face decorations –
1 the similarity to the Gunslinger “tattoos” (which turned out to be fake (self-administered camouflage))
2 the black eyepatches which were heavily trailered before TWoRS, which had us abuzz with the possibility that the Dr and crew had been “taken over” somehow – but were in fact “good” things – again self-administered
3rd time unlucky…?8 May 2013 at 11:28 #8200
And given that pic’s been posted everywhere (including as the avatar for this thread (ah-hem!)) I’m suspicious it won’t turn out to be what it looks like. Or maybe it’s a triple bluff – a much bigger threat is just out of sight, around the corner in episode 13. IMHO 🙂8 May 2013 at 11:54 #8204Dr-Clara @dr-clara
*** I’m not sure if comments about the episode posters are spoilers but just in case ***
*** spoilery?… ***
3rd time unlucky…?
A thought about the episode posters: there were comments about NiS being the only one that doesn’t show the Doctor and/or Clara. Are we absolutely sure that’s the case?!
Well spotted on the Gunslinger tattoo by the way. I knew there was something familiar but I couldn’t place it.8 May 2013 at 11:58 #8205Anonymous @
— this surely isn’t a spoiler —-
I saw an interview with Nick Briggs recently where he said he recorded the dialogue in both Tenth Planet and Tomb style Cyber-voices but that he doesn’t know which one they’re going to use. I’m personally hoping for Tenth Planet stylee….8 May 2013 at 12:20 #8209HTPBDET @htpbdet
@jimthefish How I would love the Tenth Planet voices….but, more than anything, I want them to be the silent killers they used to be – the mechanical clunking can be impressive in a war-chant kind of way but it does limit their potential for surprise scares. I am praying Gaiman fixes that.
It looks like a homage to Moonbase though, don’t you think?8 May 2013 at 12:33 #8211
spoiler type things
From the Neil Gaiman interview, it looks like you may get your wish.8 May 2013 at 12:44 #8213Anonymous @
A homage to The Moonbase can only be a good thing in my opinion. It’s probably in my top five best Who stories of all time.
And, yes, to me this is the essence of the true Cybermen —8 May 2013 at 19:14 #8245
@jimthefish – nothing quite has the element of covertness and surprise than three quarters of a ton of tungsten.8 May 2013 at 19:21 #8248
**** spoiler ****
I can’t help noticing that Clara’s phoenix necklace has now become a broach which she wears almost like a military insignia. Curious.8 May 2013 at 19:28 #8251
@jimthefish – I’m sure you already know that the Moonbase DVD is due for release on October 21st.
”The Phantom Piper! No! I’ll no go wi’ ye, Piper!!!”8 May 2013 at 21:22 #8267
My favourite Cybermen story – Junkyard Demon.8 May 2013 at 21:28 #8268Anonymous @
@wolfweed — always loved Junkyard Demon. I love Mike McMahon’s artwork and also the fact that he made the Cyberman a weird hybrid of Tenth Planet and Moonbase versions (the two best Cybermen stories I think…)8 May 2013 at 21:52 #8271
As well as it being Neil Gaiman, and new Cybermen, I caught a glimpse of Jason Watkins in the next time trailer. Great to see him in the show.
It’s funny, he’s done some really warm and funny roles in films and TV (see his camp wedding planner in a film called “Confetti”), but it’s amazing how much scary malevolence he can bring to roles.
He was fantastic as Herrick in “Being Human”, even when he looked more human than this:9 May 2013 at 13:25 #8309
Not sure why so many people (not here I might add) have such a downer on children being in the next episode. Admittedly the coda to CH was a bit clumsily done (I thought) but…we have Matt Smith’s Doctor who has always been delightful with children. And…we have Neil Gaiman who could do anything from killing off the kids to making them the heroes of the piece. I actually can’t see him going down the first path but you just don’t know. And that’s exciting.
Hopefully the Cybermen will revert to type (ie as menacing as they were in the Classic series), rather than the whipping boys they have turned into since the reboot. Of all the classic monsters, I’d say they have been the most poorly re-imagined.9 May 2013 at 19:17 #8360
Cyber evolution.9 May 2013 at 19:24 #8363Anonymous @
@wolfweed — love this image. Like the way that it’s included the Junkyard Demon version as well as good old Kroton. I also like that first Borg-like Cyberman. A pity we’ve never seen them on the show really.9 May 2013 at 19:39 #83679 May 2013 at 19:51 #8369
A link to a bigger version of the Paul Hanley picture (without the latest cyberman, though).9 May 2013 at 20:04 #8371
@Wolfeed – that’s a great pic. Shame it’s (nearly) out of date already, LOL. Drat these monsters, always wanting a new look! Love that they’ve included all the little cybermats. Now cybermats are SCARY! And yes, what’s with the horse’s head… Godfather Cybermen???9 May 2013 at 20:15 #8372Anonymous @9 May 2013 at 20:22 #8375
@jimthefish – Cybermen evolved out of the Voord in Grant Morrison’s ‘The World Shapers’ DWM 127-129
9 May 2013 at 20:31 #8380Anonymous @
@wolfweed — damn, I’ve missed that story. That’s really going to bug me now till I can find a copy…9 May 2013 at 21:10 #8386
@Jimthe Fish @wolfweed
Big Finish – missed out on them. Good spots guys.
Cybermen in phone box – “How come Superman gets one to himself”
“Are you sure the cybercontroller said it’s the one that’s bigger on the outside?”9 May 2013 at 22:04 #8390
@wolfweed – “hello? is that NHS Direct? Yeah, we were just messing about with some tin foil, an accordian and a book on cybernetics… well I think its gone a bit far. Um, no. I dont think its going to come off with hot soapy water”9 May 2013 at 22:08 #8391
@wolfweed – “Do you have a copy of Fly Fishing by J R Hartley? Yes? In which case you must be DELETED”9 May 2013 at 22:22 #8394
Cyberman 1: “*Do you have any change in your pocket?*”
Cyberman 2: “*No change – No Pockets!*”
Cyberman 1: “*Abandon Invasion! **** Pocket Upgrade required!*”9 May 2013 at 22:29 #839610 May 2013 at 00:57 #8405HTPBDET @htpbdet
Use appropriate voice: I told you – he uses a Police Box…10 May 2013 at 01:22 #8406
Cyberman 1: “‘Press button A’. OK, done that….’Now press button B’. What?…Oh, right…OK…Hold on, what’s happening?…Hello?…Hello?…”
Cyberman 2: “Apparently, this world is more technologically sophisticated that we anticipated.”10 May 2013 at 03:14 #8407
Same scene – 3 hours have passed…
Cyberman 1: “Yes, yes, I am still hanging on…’Press Button A”…There, I have done it…again…’Now press Button B’….And…YES!…what?…what?…OH, DAMN!…that was the last of my change!…DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!”
Cyberman 2: “I suggest we retreat to a distant planet, and hide out in an abandoned intergalatic amusement park, until we have mastered this fiendish Earth technology, and when we are ready, we will return to wreck our vengeance on British Telecom”10 May 2013 at 03:18 #840810 May 2013 at 12:14 #8414Anonymous @
@wolfweed (re caption competition)
‘This..isn’t..correct..the..Doctor..always..pushes..the..door..in..even..though..the..sign..says..Pull’10 May 2013 at 12:26 #8417Anonymous @
‘Does..the..Tardis..have..adverts..for..massage..specialists?’10 May 2013 at 13:03 #8421IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant
@Shazzbot – the sign that says “Pull” refers to the phone cubby hole, not the door. Sexy, it seems, did not have a full grasp of her anatomy.10 May 2013 at 13:12 #8422thommck @thommck
SFX has done another “Brief History…” slideshow given us a bit of background on the Cybermen http://www.sfx.co.uk/gallery/a-brief-history-of-the-cybermen/ no spoilers to worry about10 May 2013 at 13:27 #8423
@IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan. That photo brought tears to my eyes. A terrible confession, I know!10 May 2013 at 13:32 #8424Anonymous @
@pedant — that’s a great pic. Reminds me of an anecdote my old pa used to tell (he was a bobby back in the 60s). He caught a kid smashing windows and to teach him a lesson he ‘arrested’ him and locked him in his police box for 15 minutes before letting him go. It was only after that he discovered that kid didn’t seem to have been too bothered and had spent the time eating my pa’s sandwiches and slurping his thermos… he had to go hungry that shift…10 May 2013 at 15:09 #8432
@wolfweed (last one I promise)
After conversion, Barry and Paul from Rotherham tried to continue their double act as the “Monotone Brothers”.
“Why are you in that box”
“My head is going rusty”
“It always was”
“Are those drainpipe trousers”
“No – vacuum cleaner pipe trousers”
“It will be flares and Moonboots soon”
“To me, Delete you”
“Ha….Ha….Ha”.10 May 2013 at 22:03 #8472
@jimthefish – Here’s the link to ‘The World-Shapers’.10 May 2013 at 22:13 #8475Anonymous @
@wolfweed — thanks for that. You’re a star. Story by Grant Morrison, art by John Ridgway… how the hell did I miss that?10 May 2013 at 22:49 #8477
Many thanks for that link. I’ll devour that with coffee and biscuits tomorrow morning!11 May 2013 at 10:42 #8495Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip
So, anyway. Tonight’s episode.
Tonight’s episode is the pre-finale. So far, for pre-finales, Moffat has given us the complete destruction of the universe (Pandorica Opens) and the complete collapse of time (Closing Time – and I’ve just realised what a terrible pun that title was).
And the BBC have moved the broadcast time to a later start of 7pm. So I’m guessing that the final scene is also going to be one of complete and utter disaster – and the later start is because they want the tinies in bed. Dalekised Doctor? Clara and the kids turned into Cybermen? The destruction… of reality… ITSELF?
The show is over?
Eight hours left for (unspoilered) speculation. What disaster has The Moff come up with this time? 😯11 May 2013 at 11:05 #8498Timeloop @timeloop
Well I guess nothing too big because all of the episodes are stand alones, remember?11 May 2013 at 11:37 #8511
Okay, don’t watch if you don’t want to know anything before tonight!11 May 2013 at 11:56 #8513Timeloop @timeloop
@craig So mean! Makes me think of the fairy tale Mary’s Child. Ever heard of it?
Our Lady’s Child
Hard by a great forest dwelt a wood-cutter with his wife, who had an only child, a little girl three years old. They were so poor, however, that they no longer had daily bread, and did not know how to get food for her. One morning the wood-cutter went out sorrowfully to his work in the forest, and while he was cutting wood, suddenly there stood before him a tall and beautiful woman with a crown of shining stars on her head, who said to him: “I am the Virgin Mary, mother of the child Jesus. Thou art poor and needy, bring thy child to me, I will take her with me and be her mother, and care for her.” The wood-cutter obeyed, brought his child, and gave her to the Virgin Mary, who took her up to heaven with her. There the child fared well, ate sugar-cakes, and drank sweet milk, and her clothes were of gold, and the little angels played with her. And when she was fourteen years of age, the Virgin Mary called her one day and said: “Dear child, I am about to make a long journey, so take into thy keeping the keys of the thirteen doors of heaven. Twelve of these thou mayest open, and behold the glory which is within them, but the thirteenth, to which this little key belongs, is forbidden thee. Beware of opening it, or thou wilt bring misery on thyself.” The girl promised to be obedient, and when the Virgin Mary was gone, she began to examine the dwellings of the kingdom of heaven. Each day she opened one of them, until she had made the round of the twelve. In each of them sat one of the Apostles in the midst of a great light, and she rejoiced in all the magnificence and splendour, and the little angels who always accompanied her rejoiced with her. Then the forbidden door alone remained, and she felt a great desire to know what could be hidden behind it, and said to the angels: “I will not quite open it, and I will not go inside it, but I will unlock it so that we can just see a little through the opening.” – “Oh no,” said the little angels, “that would be a sin. The Virgin Mary has forbidden it, and it might easily cause thy unhappiness.” Then she was silent, but the desire in her heart was not stilled, but gnawed there and tormented her, and let her have no rest. And once when the angels had all gone out, she thought: “Now I am quite alone, and I could peep in. If I do it, no one will ever know.” She sought out the key, and when she had got it in her hand, she put it in the lock, and when she had put it in, she turned it round as well. Then the door sprang open, and she saw there the Trinity sitting in fire and splendour. She stayed there awhile, and looked at everything in amazement; then she touched the light a little with her finger, and her finger became quite golden. Immediately a great fear fell on her. She shut the door violently, and ran away. Her terror too would not quit her, let her do what she might, and her heart beat continually and would not be still; the gold too stayed on her finger, and would not go away, let her rub it and wash it never so much.
It was not long before the Virgin Mary came back from her journey. She called the girl before her, and asked to have the keys of heaven back. When the maiden gave her the bunch, the Virgin looked into her eyes and said: “Hast thou not opened the thirteenth door also?” – “No,” she replied. Then she laid her hand on the girl’s heart, and felt how it beat and beat, and saw right well that she had disobeyed her order and had opened the door. Then she said once again: “Art thou certain that thou hast not done it?” – “Yes,” said the girl, for the second time. Then she perceived the finger which had become golden from touching the fire of heaven, and saw well that the child had sinned, and said for the third time: “Hast thou not done it?” – “No,” said the girl for the third time. Then said the Virgin Mary: “Thou hast not obeyed me, and besides that thou hast lied, thou art no longer worthy to be in heaven.” […]
…I wonder where that came from, I’m not even religous. My point is: posting a video you cant watch if you want to be suprised is pure temptation11 May 2013 at 12:02 #8514
@timeloop I know. Sorry about that. Am about to go out and probably won’t be back until late so will miss the episode and catch it on iPlayer. So I just wanted to post that so that people could enjoy after they have just seen the episode. Wasn’t sure about here or in the spoiler thread, but as you have to actually click play I thought it okay to post here. Just don’t give in to temptation just yet 😉11 May 2013 at 12:37 #8523
Not spoilery (it’s 24 years old!)
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