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26 April 2013 at 11:57 #6716
@bluesqueakpip
If you post your Nu TL theory on the G blog, I think it would probably give some of the “Nu Who bad, Old Who great” crowd an anuerism. Obviously that’s a good enough reason to do it.26 April 2013 at 11:26 #6709@phaseshift @bluesqueakpip @scaryb
Over on the G blog a while back, someone suggested I change my name to WhoHalibut. The nerve of some people.
26 April 2013 at 11:19 #6707Unlikely to be a Dalek I agree. If nothing else, having suckers makes it difficult to hold a pen. :-). Imagine their version of the book though: 950 pages of ‘Exterminate’, but ending with the word ‘Bug-ger’.
Other options are The Master or possibly River. Alternatively, it could have fallen out of the time lock at some point.
If there is a code needed to open the book, it will be interesting to see if Clara is the one to open it.
26 April 2013 at 09:57 #6702I’m wondering who wrote the book that features in the next ep. I would have thought only a limited no. of beings would have the requisite knowledge to compile said.tome
26 April 2013 at 02:27 #6689Liking this idea that Amy is the mother of all Time Lords – ties up a lot of loose ends which was my main hope for this series, resulting in the 50th Anniversary being a new beginning. A regeneration if you will, but of Doctor Who the television show.
On a related note, what if the multi-Tardii collision knocked Doc 11’s Tardis off course and he ended up in little Amelia’s garden thereby precipitating the events that lead up to the multi-Tardii collision which mean Doc 11 is knocked off course….It would be a typical piece of wibbly -wobbly, timey-wimey, er Moffaty-Woffaty-ness.
Also @SomeoneUpstreamAndI’mBuggeredIfI’mGoingToTrawlThroughAllThat.
Well.done on the River two-hearts spot. But, since she gave the Doc the last of her regeneration energy in LKH, does that mean one has now stopped?
25 April 2013 at 11:48 #6640@bkueaqueakpip @htpbdet @whisht
If the Doc’s name is so powerful, why haven’t one of the Time Lords already invoked it? Someone on Gallifrey must know it.
Also, the Master knows that “The Doctor” is a title, from which I infer he knows / may know the Doc’s true name.
All these “Doctor Who” jokes in script may be.just that. Jokes. And nothing more.significant.
25 April 2013 at 10:46 #663925 April 2013 at 04:38 #6634@lula RP = Received Pronunciation aka BBC
English.The sort of accent the BBC newsreaders have.
24 April 2013 at 04:49 #6550Hello @blenkinsopthebrave.
Good to hear from you.
Yes I am safely esconced in the Colonies in a very southern city. Quite liking the natives and their, ahem, forthright talk.
I sold the outdoor privy at WhoHar hall to a couple of guilable Americans who’d previously bought London Bridge. Using the proceeds I plan to disassemble the main building (Old Sexy I call her), ship it over here and rebuild. Once Fortescue has labelled all the bricks he will indeed be joining me along with the rest of the staff and animals.
The chattels will arrive soon, including the bath, so very much looking forward to that.
Yes the 4th wall theory seems to be out of favour of late but perservere. Remember only dead fish swim with the stream.
24 April 2013 at 04:05 #6548Liking the What’s in the Tardis game. My list:
A television with An Unearthly Child on constant loop. 100 pts.
Copies of all the lost DW episodes. 200 pts.
Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle. 500 pts.
Wally. 1000 pts.
It’s a bit quiet on the nightshift. It was either make this list or talk to my friend Edward again and he’s not much of a conversationalist. Then again, he’s a potato.
24 April 2013 at 03:05 #6545There is a general level of twattery on the Guardian blog now which is disappointing.
I too am very anti the anti-American comments which I find to be quite offensive and ignorant. Most of those posters prob never been to the US let alone lived there (I have btw, loved it) so are not commenting from a position of authority IMHO. They would be known here as “tossers” (“dickwads” perhaps in US terms).
Btw the Carlisle / Carlyle quote is not common in Uk parlance to my knowledge, which is why it has been the subject of much talk.
24 April 2013 at 02:54 #6544@juniperfish. Three Tardii. Bloody hell.
Now then. The opening scenes in Eleventh Hour.always struck me as odd. Why was the Tardis seemingly exploding immediately post regeneration. At the time I put it down to some kind of symbiotic link with the Doc but not a very satisfactory explanation.
Your idea would give a more robust reason.
To which: does the latest Tardis design begin with BoSJ ie the first “modern Clara” ep. If so then maybe this is another version of the Tardis. Did the Doc refer to his current age anywhere this series? He’s meant to be how old now? 1200? If it is different now maybe this is another clue.
Too many loose ends….
23 April 2013 at 09:01 #6446@IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan
Now I’m really conflicted reb LA Conf. Shall I shan’t I… 🙂
23 April 2013 at 08:16 #6441Thanks for the tip – I’ll take LA Conf off my list.
I liked the layers in THoTR but it was a tough read.
23 April 2013 at 07:52 #6433@bluesqueakpip – I know very little about dyslexia except the hackneyed “I get my wucking mords fuddled”. I heard it allows some people the ability to think / imagine real well in 3D but it always struck me as a very frustrating condition. BTW I always want to type your name as Bluepipsqueak – not sure if that’s relevant.
Anyway, I suspect you are right – my Catholic upbringing leads me to find religious metpahors where there are none. If I apply Occam’s Razor for a moment and assume Rose referes to the companion, thenhow does that fit in with the overall story arc and specifically, how does Clara fit in with Rose, if at all?
23 April 2013 at 07:35 #6430Someone upstream (sorry can’t remember who) mentioned that Clara may have been inthe Tardis when it exploded, fracturing her across time and space. Two comments on that:
1. What if Clara was the cause of the explosion? ie maybe it’s only a single Tardis explosion with Clara was on board somewhere she shouldn’t have been.
2. If so, how did she get to that forbidden place?
I kind of like the fact that Clara caused the explosion and was scattered as a consequence but still prefer the two Tardis collision theory (with Doc 10’s Tardis coming back from the alt dimension he dropped 10.5 and Rose in). Only problem with two Tardis collision theory is that Tardis’s have an anti-collision defence don’t they? Maybe Clara turned it off?
Well this post is rambling and conflicted…
23 April 2013 at 07:24 #6428@Shazzbot Sorry, realised I’d criticised one of your fav movies. I guess if I’d seen it and not read the book then I would have thought it was OK but, once I’ve read a book I never, ever think the movie is up to much. Loved LA Confidential though…
23 April 2013 at 07:04 #6427Hey @bluesqueakpip
I posted a similar “Name of the Rose” comment over on the 50th thread., although not in so much detail as your in-depth analysis. Just to go off topic a bit – I read the book, after a recommendation, several years ago now. I enjoyed it very much but it took me about 100 pages to get into it, perhaps because there was a lot of Latin in there and my knowledge is not really up to scratch. Pleased that I perservered though. The film? Not so much.
Also, Name of the Doctor is very similar to Name of the Father…we’d just need the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three-into-one again.
22 April 2013 at 12:17 #6368@scaryb – once the bath is installed I’ll be having a bring your own bottle (of bubble bath) party – all welcome.
ORM (Other Random Musings): For the 50th, I don’t think the Valeyard will make a reappearance. No real evidence, except Moffat has already kiboshed the 13 regen rule, so there seems little urgency in bringing that storyline back.
Moffat tends to set things up in the first ep of the new season / series, then goes off at a tangent for a while before bringing it back to the main thread. It depends on which ep we take as the first show of this series, but the options I see are:
a) The Doc is going to be Dalekised (if AotD is the first show)
b) The GI is going to be involved, possibly mindwiping the Doc (if the Snowmen / BoSJ is the first show)Or possibly both will get a look in. At what point this occurs is beyond me at this time, but my guess is a mahoosive cliffhanger for the end of this series, which segues (get me) into the 50th Anniversary special.
As I’ve already mentioned on the G, I’m genuinely excited to know what’s going to happen next week and I’ve not felt like that about DW for ages. To borrow a fishy expression, I’m giddy as a kipper!
22 April 2013 at 05:25 #6341Good to have you back. As you may have gathered I am now in your neck of the woods and therefore working the night shift. It’s been a bit lonely so hoping you can give me some tips on how to adapt 🙂
Good news is that the bath and some other chattels will soon arrive and I’ll be able to wallow and ponder.
My latest bonkers theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Clara is the Docs sister. This is a bit Luke-Leia I admit, but DW often pays tribute/ rips off other shows. And Smith and Coleman do have that kind of brother-sister dynamic on screen.
22 April 2013 at 05:09 #6338Welcome to all the new posters / members:
I’m tending to let all the theories wash over me at the moment – like waves on a beach (or ripples in an improbably large bath). Occasionally one wave will hit me hard and make me sit up.
Currently being battered from all sides (sorry probably shouldn’t use the “b” word with all these fish about). My head’s swimming and I’m out of my depth and out of watery metaphors.
I do feel there is some game changing piece of information to be revealed, though which will make us all re-evaluate. Hopefully next week.
Anyone seen @danmartin yet?
22 April 2013 at 01:47 #6336Interesting last ep title which may lead into the 50th:
The Name of the Doctor is reminiscent of The Name of the Rose.
Just throwing that one out there.
18 April 2013 at 00:45 #6009They are both conspicious by their absence for sure.
I’ve had issues accessing the site in the last hour , thankfully now resolved.
Dan M is reviewing the Sea Devils in the Classic Ep. slot which should be of particular interest to you.
17 April 2013 at 23:49 #6003This is true. I wonder though where Ten would have ended up, given that Eleven was outside “our” Universe after he flew the Pandorica into the exploding Tardis/Tardis’s. Maybe the back end of Ten’s time will be retconned?
17 April 2013 at 22:21 #5991Night shift signing in (where’s @blenkinsopthebrave and @bobbingbird when you need them).
I had a similar thought to @htpbdet re the two Tardis’s only I wondered if Ten had collided with Eleven’s Tardis on the way to/from the alt universe where he dropped Rose & Doc 10.5 off. This would precipitate the Big Bang. There are problems with this, not least being that Doc 11 would remember that incident as it was in his past?
Loving the potential Evil of the Daleks tie in.
@thommck
Would like to see Susan reappear (or some other throwback to the first ep) but I still need some more positive in-show proof.16 April 2013 at 12:31 #5755Thanks for the summary.
Glad someone else mentioned Evil of the Daleks.
As I posted earlier, I’m coming round to the “Doclek” idea more and more.
Not sold on the Clara as Idris idea, though it does have its attractions. Surely the TARDIS would react quite violently everytime Clara stepped aboard.
There also appears to be no evidence to suggest Susan will make a return bar a few grandfather references.
So that leaves 1 & 2 as the main options with 7 as an outside bet. There is of course 8 – Moffat does something completely different.
Jekyll & Hyde. Hmmm. I seem to remember a series a few years ago called Jekyll that was a modern take on that story. The writer was one S. Moffat.
16 April 2013 at 08:31 #5729“an amused chuckle, a twinge of envy, (I wish I’d thought of that), or dismay..”
Probably all three.
16 April 2013 at 00:59 #5719@phileasf. Good post.
I was a bit skeptical about the Dalek-isation of the Doc for a couple of reasons:
First it’s been attempted before in Evil of the Daleks (kind of), although the Daleks did not know what they were doing.
Secondly it didn’t seem to make logical sense. In AotD both the Doc and Amy were exposed to the nanos, so why didn’t Amy become infected to. However, on rewatching AotD I realised that we do not know when Amy was given the protective bracelet by the Doc. She may have had it on the whole time she was on the planet (except for a minute or two before the Doc found out).
It also seems to me that they could have left that whole thread out of the ep and it would still have worked (with some relatively minor changes). It may have diminished the impact of Rory-Amy’s marriage crisis however.
So I’m coming round to this as my #1 Bonkers theory.
Is this Moffat laying a mah-oosive clue in AotD as to how this season will play out? I see parallels to TIA in the setup here, albeit more subtle.
14 April 2013 at 12:39 #5505Only just seen this, so I’ll add my two pence worth. Not read any reviews or comments and I’ve not even been near the Guardian blog, so I feel like a bit of a turncoat. Anyway.
My favourite Gatiss ep. Nicely claustraphobic and moved the Ice Warriors on well, although it took a while to warm up (NPI). Could have done with a bit more exposition up front – why was the Ice Warrior in the Arctic, how did he get there, how did the Russians find him? Then there was the young Russian submariner who decided to melt the ice with the blowtorch / welding tool. What on earth possessed him to do that? He was a trained soldier, under the command of an unforgiving regime and he just “decided” to melt the ice. Hmmm. The real reason wasn’t curiosity but numerical; the restriction of 45 minute eps. This story would hav been even better as a two-parter.
But after a slightly inauspiscious start, things rapidly improved and the ep turned into Alien on a Submarine. David Warner gave good value as a music-loving scientist, particularly “Vienna” – I’m ignoring the Duran Duran reference. I was just waiting for him to be dragged through the door hatch he was sitting on when he was talking to Clara. That conversation was odd too – she was very non-comittal when he asked her about her life. Is she hiding something?
Liam Cunningham was convincing but sadly underused.
Oh, and I liked the fact that the Russians didn’t have accents.
Once the Ice Warrior had escaped his suit, the ep. reminded of old Who – in a good way. A sudden movement across screen here , a hint of a colour of a something there, a scaly claw coming into shot. The reveal was good, although it did remind me a bit of a large Gremlin.
The Doc was back to his non-violent advocacy. And I thought he was going to kiss Clara at the end.
Enjoyable, as evidenced by the fact that it went by too quickly.
I’m off to post this on the Guardian website and to read all the trolling bs.
14 April 2013 at 03:42 #5463Just watched this again. There’s a lovely bit of direction in there: when Oswin realises she’s a Dalek there’s a shot of her half in shadow, so you can only see one eye. When she overcomes the Dalek conditioning and lets the Doc escape, retaining some humanity, we can see both her eyes again. Simple, subtle and clever.
14 April 2013 at 03:36 #5461@haveyoufedthefish
Maybe River realised she couldn’t tell him. Major Spoilers and all that.Hmm Major Spoilers – I can imagine him / her working for UNIT.
13 April 2013 at 07:34 #5289Ravenwood is am interesting choice of name. I did wonder if they were referencing Edgar Allan Poe. Look out for cries of Nevermore in the next few eps.
13 April 2013 at 07:30 #5287@The_Buns
Welcome and good deyective work on the Latin. The words are difficult to read though.and I can’t decide whether it is an r or an n. I did wonder if that date was a Friday as there have been a couple of alterations to the default calendar and some re-baselining of the dates. In the 16th (?) Century the powers decided to remove some days leading to riots by some parts of the population who believed that they had lost actual days from their life.
@haveyoufedthefish
I had another look at my “suffixes”. They do look like commas so coords do make sense. Stonehenge isn’t near any of these points is it?12 April 2013 at 12:35 #5213My first thought was that the numbers were dates (from – to) but not so sure now.
They each have 8 digits.although the first set appear to have a suffix of some kind.
They could also be an equation if the “-” is a minus – I can’t read them well enough to “do the math”. Maybe it’s Moffat’s original budget request minus the BBC’s proposed cost?
I did wonder if they were refs to DW eps. but think Classic Who used A, B, C notation for the stories going to AAAA (or 4A) 4B etc. as the series progressed. Not sure about NuWho though.
They could also be telephone numbers (eg intra state nos. in Aus) but no idea why.
More questions than answers I’m afraid.
12 April 2013 at 12:08 #5211The Doctor, Sarah-Jane & Harry were a great Tardis crew and the first eps with them in esp. The Ark in Space to Revenge of the Cybermen really stick in my mind as some of the best of classic Who. Would be interesting to watch some of those again and see how they stand up.
After Pertwee’s flamboyant Doc (probably where my penchant for velvet jackets comes from, although I do have a tweed too – I’m terribly sorry this posting is turning into What Not to Wear). Anyway, I remember being a bit concerned about Baker’s Doc while watching Robot but after that run from Ark to Revenge and then into Zygons, I was hooked.
11 April 2013 at 11:26 #5095Wasn’t Moffat behind the return of the St John’s logo on the Tardis? If so maybe he’s been playing the long game all this time.
It has been there for all of Smith’s tenure (eleven-ure?) I think.
11 April 2013 at 11:20 #5093@htpbdet
The budget thing is interesting. Didn’t I read somewhere that it costs £1m per ep. but that the BBC make £180m from Who. Seems a shame more of that profit couldn’t have gone back into the show.That is interesting news about the 23rd. A bit odd to cram it all into one day though. A bigger build up would have been nice eh @ JimTheFish?
At the start of the year there were 11 months until the 50th anniversary. 11 months, 11 Doctors. Surely someone at the Beeb could have done the math.
11 April 2013 at 00:49 #506150th anniversary regen obv. Although with Moffat you never know.
11 April 2013 at 00:47 #5059Minor Spoiler Alert
I hear that Smith has been signed up for 3 movie length eps. Can anyone corroborate?
If true it has implications for the 50th show and would diminish the chance of a 50th regen.
11 April 2013 at 00:09 #5057Leaving my reservations regarding the news re: Tenant and Piper appearing in the 50th aside (@bluesqueakpip comes up with a good reason for all the publicity upstream), I wonder if they will only play the chatacters that appear in the alt universe ie Tennant will be the one hearted Doc. Not sure how they’d get out of that dimension though. Then again…
10 April 2013 at 23:58 #5055Lots of great ideas on here and a particular welcome to the new additions. We’ll be rivalling the Guardian soon.
Moffat has said in the past that continuity is impossible in DW but I wonder if he’ll take up the challenge and try to correct all the anomalies via the (already mentioned) reboot. Certainly Doc 8’s half human origins have not been discussed in show (IIRC). HTPBDET’s mini-treatment seems to point a way out of that problem.
All the numbers and Egyptian references are delightful but I think are only texture.
And the Tardis’s noise when Clara tried to get in. I’d initially though this was displeasure but now I’m not so sure. It seemed similar to the noise the Tardis makes when it is in trouble. Is Clara a threat?
Alternatively maybe Old Sexy really likes Clara. Tardis Fangasm anyone? Anyone? Hello, heeeellooo….9 April 2013 at 00:14 #4727Putting two things together here. The Tardis lock out of Clara and her comment at the end about her house feeling different.
Maybe the Doc’s absence during part of that ep was him going back to her house to look around and he (inadvertantly) changed something. The Tardis Clara hid behind was actually the Doc 1’s. Would need to go back and see if the Tardis was different.
8 April 2013 at 13:30 #4661Great post – there’s lots I agree with, some things I don’t, although I can empathise. Totally with you on the 6th Doc for example. And don’t apologise for your well-thought out opinions. As Elwood P Dowd says in Harvey : “Well, an element of conflict in any discussion’s a very good thing. It means everybody is taking part and nobody is left out.”
8 April 2013 at 12:26 #4639@haveyoufedthefish another loose end: the proto-Tardis in the lodger. Maybe a way for Susan to get to the 21st Century? Or possiblyshe just lived that long?
8 April 2013 at 12:24 #4637@bluesqueakpip still not sure if it’s the writing or the acting that’s the “problem”. I admit to being rather grumpy about the early Smith eps but personally feel he’s grown into the role. I’d be sorry to see him go at this point and, although a regen would be great from a story point of view, I would feel a bit cheated. It’s a bit like getting to know a favourite Uncle once you’re an adult, only for him to die on you.
I don’t think there will be a regen this year. In fact I have serious reservations about whether Tennant is going to be in the 50th anniversary show at all. Why? Because Moffat has made such a song and dance in the past about plots being given away and yet, here we have a press release giving us a major clue to the 50th show. It seems odd to me. Also: Rule 0 and all that…
8 April 2013 at 12:03 #4633You’ll have to forgive my slightly insolent whimsy. I wouldn’t dream of asking you to change your name for one instant – think of the paperwork for a start.
Here’s what I don’t quite understand though. You don’t like Smith as the Doctor – but is it the acting or the writing that is at fault would you say? IMHO, I’d say Smith’s performances are extraordinary – especially given some of the material he has been given. It’s not that the writing is necessarily bad in and of itself, just that it’s inconsistent. I think back to The Doctor’s Wife and the moment that the Ood was crushed and the way the Doc shrugged it off. It rankled, I have to say, and tarnished an otherwise excellent ep. The Doc I know would never have casually dismissed the loss of life in this way – especially at his own hand. Think back to Genesis and how Baker agonised over killing the nascent Daleks and compare that to the 11th’s reaction to the Ood. So, so different.
I think you said it best over on the Guardian blog – watching Smith’s performance is like watching different faces of a spinning cube (that was you right?). I loved that actually and it helped crystallise my own reservations about some of the eps. It’s allowed me to enjoy the more recent episodes more, so many thanks.
That said, I think the reason the Snowmen worked well was because we knew who the Doc was at that point – in pain, mourning the Ponds. His emotional arc was well defined and described.
I suspect the change in the Doc’s character is just a function of different writers putting their own slant on things and Moffat (?) not being aware enough to impose a level of consistency. Or perhaps he didn’t feel the need. Or perhaps it’s all part of a massive three-season arc and the reason for the change in character will become apparent in the 50th anniversary story – in which case it is genius. I live in hope…
8 April 2013 at 09:00 #4607@juniperfish High fins all round then. 🙂
8 April 2013 at 08:55 #4603Ah… just noticed @htpbdet is on here. And @bobbingbird. Excellent.
No-one’s mentioned this (I think) but Clara’s book is “101 Places to Visit” (may have misremembered the title). The 101 immediately jumped out at me – Room 101. Maybe her worse nightmare is in there somewhere.
Alternatively, binary 101 equals 5 but not sure of the significance of that, aside from 1’s and 0’s are computer-related.
101 also equals 65 in hexadecimal and 145 in Octal which also means squat to me. Any ideas? I’m rambling now so I’ll stop.
8 April 2013 at 08:24 #4595I just commented on HTPBDET’s (positive) post on this ep. on the Guardian blog. Now he’s the kind of thoughtful dissenter that we need on here.
I did tease him a bit though by suggesting he was getting closer to adding an “S” to his name.
8 April 2013 at 08:21 #4593And my apologies to you for missing your good wishes on my move on another thread. And I can’t even blame the infernal nesting that blights the other place.
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