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    nerys @nerys

    @kevinwho Should we start calling this the divisive Chibnall era?

    Reading this discussion, and similar ones elsewhere, I’m amazed at what short memories people have. As has already been pointed out, there’s been no shortage of debate over Doctor Who … certainly not since I started watching (I jumped on board with Chris Eccleston’s debut). Do people really not remember all the complaining about the superb Peter Capaldi being “too old”? And he was Jodi Whittaker’s immediate predecessor. And don’t even get me started on all the whining about Clara being “too Doctor-ish”!

    I think the complaining becomes more pervasive as more and more people vent their spleens on social media, Internet comment boards and the like. So it gives the perception of overall negativity, when the reality may be just that, as always, the complainers complain, and the people who are satisfied keep quiet because they have nothing to complain about. Squeaky wheel, and all.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @kevinwho and @jimthefish

    I think a lot of the ‘rumours’ have a very strong subtext of ‘we don’t like Chibnall’s style, we don’t like the Whittaker Doctor, and we want them gone as fast as possible.’

    Hell Bent was broadcast 5th December 2015, Husbands of River Song was Christmas 2015, Doctor Mysterio (which was well liked, @thane16, I think you misunderstood and Jim was talking about the time gap, not the story) Christmas 2016 and then The Pilot was April 2017.

    So if we had exactly the same pattern we’ll have Resolution on New Years Day 2019, another Special on either Christmas 2019 (they’ve currently said ‘full series 2020’, I think) or New Years Day 2020, then Series 12 April 2020.

    If they choose to start in January 2020 instead, the gap will be about thirteen months. That’s three months longer than the ten month gap that was usual even in the ball-breaking schedule of the RTD period.

    The gaps have seemed shorter than they were because an April to June/July series with a Christmas Special means that people aren’t as aware of a ten month gap as they are when the series is finishing in December, the Special is in three weeks, and it’s twelve months until even the next Special.

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    @nerys @bluesqueakpip

    I have no doubt from the viewing numbers and such that the vast majority of people are loving the new series.  And honestly, for all my manifest disappointment, I don’t want JW gone or Chibnall either.  I just want a larger proportion of It Takes You Away’s and Kerblam!’s.

    I’ve obviously overdone the quibbles, and will try to moderate them.

    Anonymous @

    So I’m watching the Who marathon on BBC America, and they had the ad for the New Year’s special again, and this time they added one word at the end.  Ready for it?







    Exterminate!  (And yes, in that voice.)

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Trust the bloody yanks to spoil the suspense. Yes there is a general consensus that from the uk trailers info that it is probably the Daleks that are the big bad of the episode but at least the uk trailer so far had left for it to be a surprise and end up being something else. One has to hope that whoever authorised the BBC America trailer will get a royal ass kicking. I personally hoped it would end up being something else either a new monster  say dredged up from the deep dark past of the universe or one from earlier Who like the Dominators. At least prior to this the fans could at least bonkerise in hope.



    The are using that word in the UK trailer too.

    Not every reveal is a spoiler.

    Anonymous @

    @pedant – They’ve been playing the ad for several days, and only started adding that just now.  I looked here on the forum and saw nothing, and thought perhaps this was a US-only version?  So I posted.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @pedant @kevinwho like you Kevin I too thought this must be a US only trailer as I’ve not seen this new trailer in the uk so I suspect it’s only just started broadcasting. But I wonder if this is because of the US trailer. Oh @pedant if that is only true it would be wonderful if the BeeB had released a trailer with the intention to mislead us or even its an enemy that even the Daleks have been forced to side with the Doctor its not like that hasn’t happened before🤔😜

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Greeting from a somewhat groggy, post-Christmas state of being.


    I am with @pedant. I think the juxtaposition of the Doctor’s statement: “This is the DNA of…” etc, followed by THAT word, is a misdirection. I suspect there is another big bad out there. Or perhaps, in my groggy, but optimistic, post-Christmas state, I hope there is a bigger surprise in store.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    BBC America has announced the start of production of series 12.

    Wasn’t sure how to embed a twitter announcement, so:

    Filming Begins On “Doctor Who” Series 12

    p.s. just saw my post above again. Well, I got that one wrong!


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Hullo…apparently I do know how to embed a twitter announcement…

    Very mysterious.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    OK… actual monsters from the past. Interesting. And given who the monsters are, I get the feeling that there will be a slight change of direction in this upcoming season.

    (season…series…? I find this whole growing up with English terms and then getting used to North American terms very confusing.)


    janetteB @janetteb

    @pedant Thanks for the link. Exciting to see the start of new series spoilers. Felt like it was not going to ever happen.

    The judoon are interesting “monster” to bring back. They have plenty of as yet untapped potential. They would be difficult to play seriously though so perhaps there will be a lighter mood to this next series as @blenkinsopthebrave has observed. I look forward to hearing J.W. speak “judoon.”

    Also, having just been watching some recent episodes,  I was thinking that it is time to start revisiting some older foes. I do think CC made the right choice in taking a break from Daleks and Cybermen for a series. One criticism I do have of S.M. is his over reliance on the “same old” baddies. The odd appearance however of a familiar alien helps to reinforce the sense of continuity.



    MissRori @missrori

    (shoofshoofshoof  as Miss Rori emerges from under the lurkers’ couch)

    Hello.  Been working in other fandom circles of late, but wanted to check in.  I do like the idea of the Judoon being brought back — it’s been a long while since any AG monsters have had anything significant to do in the show after Twelve’s era focused on new one-offs and BG antagonists (not counting the expanded universe works).

    winston @winston

    @pedant  Thank you for that link, I needed a hit of something Doctorish and that did it. The Judoon are like intergalactic police  so I wonder what the Doctor is up too.

    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    And we’re off!

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Well, lots of shouty bits and explosions. I must confess my heart sank a bit when I heard the invocation of “family”.

    Did I see a Cyberman?



    You did, plus what appears to be a Racnoss. The “Paris 1943” clip ties in with a rumour in the non-BBC thread. And there is clearly going to be a bit of James Bond fun.

    And Goran Visnjic as…. Tesla, maybe? (He has time travel “from” via Timeless).

    Stephen Fry, obv and Lenny Henry too. Apparently Robert Glennister has been confirmed. And something coming…

    Fun fact: if you conjugate French possessive pronouns it sounds Judoon:

    Mon Ma Mes

    Ton Ta Tes

    Son Sa Ses.

    Bet you had never notices that!

    gamergirlavatar @gamergirlavatar

    Happy Doctor Who Day! Yay, we finally have a trailer! I know they want to keep everything a secret but they haven’t been trying to keep the excitement of a new season steady. There really is a lot of action in the trailer. That makes me worry the Chris is overcompensating about peoples complaints about last season. The action also seems to be all anyone is talking about, making Doctor Who sound like a thriller, which it isn’t. My favorite Doctor Who moments involve people talking. However, it’s a trailer, we’ll see the full show when it airs. It looks to me though that somethings in the trailer are getting over looked because of the action. The directing hasn’t seemed to changed much, I’ve counted atleast 28 close-ups in the trailer alone. Something that might go unseen because your eye is following the action. The lighting has gotten a little brighter on the TARDIS, which I like. That’s a room where The Doctor has to get a lot of work done. If she can’t see, she can’t work. I don’t care for the idea that “the darkness is a metaphor for darkness” when no one will have a room lite in such a way. It makes Doctor Who look like to many shows that are on television today when Doctor Who is unlike anyother show on television. I’m just not a fan of the shows direction of HD quality. HD makes things look so real that they become fake again. I wish the show would have stayed with the special effects used in Capaldi’s time on the show. Anyway, it looks like scenes where everyone is in black tie will be a two-parter. We have a black creature that looks like the spider monster from The Runaway Bride. We have a black scorpion to go with this. I hope that The Doctor’s joke at the begining is a sign Chris is also going to have a healthy amount of humor, although I don’t see him adding much. I hope another trailer airs soon, there isn’t much to go off of. However, thank you to the BBC and Chris for giving us something on Doctor Who Day. I would have had nothing if it weren’t for this.

    winston @winston

    Stephen Fry and the Doctor! My head just exploded.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Given last series’s proclivity to have real life historical characters I wonder if Fry will be playing an Oscar Wilde like character


    New trailer plus kick off date:

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    Okay. So the rumours were correct.

    That said, I wonder why the BBC were keeping the kick off date so firmly under their hats.

    syzygy @thane16


    So, big crisis! And, sorry is that NY only? I got the impression it’s more than one episode or have I truly lost the ability to interpret a trailer?

    I’m not sure about the “it’s French that, isn’t it?”

    I get that….it’s this Doctor. But it’s exactly the sort of thing a ….I’m going to get trolled now, I can feel it…..a …..companion would say & the Doctor would say, back “oh, yes, the French invited kissing you pillock!” Which is the funny bit.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    It’s a full series. It looks like they simply made the New Year Special episode one, possibly sneaking in a few NY references. There are rumours they may be going for an Easter Special as well – last time that happened was with David Tennant’s Doctor.

    It sounds to me as if the decision has been made that Christmas Day is absolutely mined out. So they’re seeing if they can move the yearly special to a different date, and are trying out New Year (not as good as the Christmas Specials, audience wise) and Easter (which hit No. 5 for the week last time they tried it).

    syzygy @thane16

    @bluesqueakpip Very good. Thank you.

    Also, my silly comment above: “the French invented kissing, you pillock.”

    It was *invented not invited. Aaaand, just ignore me. I had a bad night prior to me watching the trailer & then commenting. Not clever.

    janetteB @janetteb

    Lovely trailer for a change. (In general I dislike trailers) It has vineyards, French vineyards, which bring back some happy memories.. Now I am excited. I was watching Christmas Specials yesterday and feeling a bit sad because I did not think there would be a seasonal special this year so started writing my own. (Now at almost 3,000 words and not even half way through. A reminder of why I don’t attempt short stories.)



    winston @winston

    @janetteb   I think it is really great that you decided to write your own Xmas story for the Doctor.It is good to know that the Doctor will have  Xmas at your house this year.

    janetteB @janetteb

    @winston I intend to share it. Will get it proof read first though as like Ryan, I have dyspraxia.



    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @janetteb I’m sad to hear you’re prone to falling over or do you mean you have dyslexia which is a problem with reading and writing which in no way means you’re stupid just that your brain interprets what it sees and how to write it differently. In fact some of the smartest ppl in the world have had dyslexia.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    Dyspraxia affects the ability to organise writing.

    @janetteb The thing they have missed out with Ryan is the interesting set of bruises collected as you misjudge the distance from the doorway, cupboard, chair… at least, I do that. Two years of stage fighting training,and the eventual verdict was ‘I think you’ve now reached a point where you’re no longer a danger to your fight partner.’ 🙂

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Ah sorry was only really aware of the motor coordination element from working with clients with Learning Difficuties and brain damage as it’s quite common problem



    Miapatrick @miapatrick

    @devilishrobby as @bluesqueakpip says.

    The misconception is a problem – I was diagnosed with dyslexia at school, later told that it was dyspraxia I had when I was tested before starting study again. In my case it affects spelling, punctuation, and grammer in my written work, as well as handwriting (doesn’t help that I’m sinister…) but reading not at all. I read at an adult level very early on.

    I was unreasonably happy when Ryan made a comment about a job he had, and struggling to understand instructions because the bike thing, nice though the representation was, is the sort of thing every body knows about.


    First clip  – called ep apparently called Spyfall

    winston @winston

    @pedant   Permission to sqeeeeeeeee!!

    janetteB @janetteb

    @miapatrick. I am like you, unable to spell at all. I lost grades in first year Uni due to spelling it being before the days of hand written essays. I was told I was dyslexic which, being an avid reader, I am clearly not. My dyspraxia did not however effect my ability to ride a pushbike though I am happy to use it as an excuse/reason for being so hopeless at competitive sports. I just wish that I had been able to do so when I was a kid, getting bullied for missing the ball yet again. Hopefully kids are more aware and forgiving now then they were then now that we have greater knowledge and understanding of “condistions” like dyslexia and dyspraxia and “the spectrum”.



    janetteB @janetteb

    @pedant thanks for the link. That has a “Fringe” feel about it. (Which in my view at least can never be a bad thing.)



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