BBC Approved Spoilers

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

Not strictly a BBC Approved spoiler, but a Digital Spy interview:

[IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan @pedant]

Synopsis from the TV on my BT box:

“The time traveller returns for a fresh set of adventures, beginning with a two-part story. When intelligence agents around the world come under attack from alien forces, MI6 turns to the only people who can help – a certain Doctor and her companions. As they travel the globe in pursuit of answers, threats arrive from all sides, leaving Earth’s security resting on the team’s shoulders. But where will this planet-threatening conspiracy lead them?”

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@pedant

Does this mean no U.N.I.T any more? (Dominic Cummings probably sacked them.)

Oh, well, I ‘m still looking forward to it.

 

[winston @winston]

Six more sleeps as my granddaughter measures time.

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@blenkinsopthebrave

Cummings would need a TARDIS. UNIT were ‘suspended’ last New Years Day.

::pauses, thinks::

On the other hand, Dominic Cummings as The Master works really well…

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

New BBC trailer:

 

[Mudlark @mudlark]

@blenkinsopthebrave

That trailer gives me a slight tingle up the spine, so I hope that it lives up to its promise. It certainly makes me look forward to next Sunday’s episode with more optimism, because the Judoon don’t rank among my favourite alien monsters and I wasn’t very hopeful.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

Looking at the trailer again, I was rather struck by the clip with Ryan and Yasmin, both looking gloomy, and Ryan says: “How long’s this going to last, Yaz?…Is this our lives?” (I think that’s what he said…I found it a little unclear.) Could it foreshadow a change of companions?

 

[JimTheFish @jimthefish Time Lord]

@blenkinsopthebrave

I think a change of companions is definitely on the cards (tho I’m still holding out for some kind of Dark Yaz scenario).

I’m hearing speculation that the shifty bloke in the TARDIS which might be something for the hardcore spoiler section but would be very interesting if true….

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@jimthefish

I am up for something on the Spoilers page, if you want to elaborate…

[winston @winston]

@blenkinsopthebrave     It gave me the chills! I can’t wait.

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@jimthefish

The number of ‘shocked and horrified’ shots Mandip Gill’s been getting, something is definitely on the cards for Yaz. Some kind of breakdown, maybe?

[BadWolfAlice @badwolfalice]

Interesting (and I use the word ‘interesting’ loosely here) to note that the seventh episode of last series, Kerblam!, was the first ever episode to have an exclamation mark in the title, and the seventh episode of this series, Can You Hear Me?, is the first one to have a question mark. Could this be foreshadowing some sort of punctuation-based story arc that will gradually unfold during the seventh episodes of each series? (No.)

[lisa @lisa]

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p084h11x

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p084ms7y

Ok, everything is being set up in a way that we are supposed to believe that Master is about to reveal the truth to a concerned and confused Doctor. But, I ask you, when has the Master ever told the truth?

 

[JimTheFish @jimthefish Time Lord]

@blenkinsopthebrave

yes, it did occur to me that the most straightforward explanation for a lot of this year’s big twists is that it’s an elaborate hoax set up by the Master. The Doctor actually trapped in a Matrix-like hallucination?

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

I confess that part of me is still convinced that there is a Wizard of Oz vibe to all this…

 

[lisa @lisa]

I really hope its not Wizard of Oz or a simple Matrix program!

I’m sure there are many fans like me who would feel hoaxed and left

disappointed by being denied a real potential epic  Galfreyan arc.

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@lisa

Part of me agrees with you, but on the basis of what Chibnall has given us since taking over the reigns of “Who” I am not convinced that Chibnall has the capacity to deliver an epic Gallifreyan arc. But I will cheer along with you if he does deliver one.

 

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@blenkinsopthebrave and @jimthefish

I can’t help thinking we’re somehow missing the significance of the Master misquoting Shelley. Did he just think it was a good line? Does he know that Shelley was the Guardian for the Cyberium?

And in addition, he’s placed himself as Ozymandias. The one who boasts ‘look at my works, ye mighty’ and yet is now another fallen statue in a fallen Empire.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@bluesqueakpip

It’s true, the Master does say: “Look upon my work, Doctor, and despair.” And it’s also true that (perhaps to self-identify with Ozymandius) he initially calls himself “O”. But…

Do I believe the Master destroyed Gallifrey? Personally, no, I don’t. But I do believe he would claim to have done it.

More importantly, the poem is about hubris–the hubris of mankind in building great empires. Yet, I would argue it is the Master who is the one who is (always) guilty of hubris, and by identifying with Ozymandius he has both mis-read Shelley and revealed his own shortcomings. Even in the realm of literary interpretation, the Master only scores a D-.

 

[JimTheFish @jimthefish Time Lord]

@blenkinsopthebrave and @bluesqueakpip

This is probably a sad admission but nothing would give me more squee than a Who arc based around Shelley’s work. I am wondering myself whether Gallifrey is as destroyed as the Master is making out. Apart from anything, it would be the first time Who history that he’s actually ever really achieved anything. I’m at the stage of wanting to know the how as much as the why.

On a side note, the Doc releases the Cyberiad (sorry, that’s what I’m calling it) at Diodati and then zips forward into the future to undo the consequences, that’s right yes? Why does she wait till after a devastating war that’s nearly wiped out all humans before she gets involved. Wouldn’t it make more sense to get in there before the war’s actually started?

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@jimthefish

My (admittedly faltering) memory is that the Doctor relinquishes the Cyberium/Cyberiad to the Lone Cyberman at Diodata and it is he who zaps it forward ??? (Perhaps this is the time for one of @bluesqueakpip‘s graphic charts). As for the Master,

It would be the first time in Who history that he has actually achieved anything.

Exactly. Which is why I am highly skeptical that he has.

I hesitate to add this final observation, but if we are taking about Shelley’s poetry, and hubris and illusion and Ozymandius, but I cannot but observe the spelling of Ozymandius…i.e., OZymandius…

[Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip]

@blenkinsopthebrave

Yet, I would argue it is the Master who is the one who is (always) guilty of hubris, and by identifying with Ozymandius he has both mis-read Shelley and revealed his own shortcomings

But has he?

I agree that the Master’s tendency to misread human creative works is legendary, but if this incarnation is post-Missy, I’d argue that it’s entirely possible for him to have read that poem and thought ‘F*ck, I’m Ozymandias. Complete with giant statues to myself that always get pulled down.’ Missy, at least at the end of her incarnation, was self-aware enough for that.

The other alternative is that in misquoting Shelley, the Master is identifying himself with the Time Lords and their attitude to other races. ‘Look at my works, ye mighty and despair.’ Well, look at them now (which line was, I think, applied to Brendan).

@jimthefish
Yeah, I’m wondering what was so important that the Doctor turns up after the massive devastating war has done all its devastating? Had the Cyberium or Cyberiad, or Cyber-wotsit only just been sent back after the final big battles? So she couldn’t get there any earlier, as that would change the events that sent her forward in the first place?

Incidentally, Blenkinsop, I hadn’t actually connected the Master’s nom de guerre of ‘O’ with ‘Ozymandias’. That’s interesting. Maybe Jim is going to get his squee after all.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@bluesquakpip

If this incarnation is post-Missy

If so, perhaps. But I have had the feeling that since Chibnall took over, and particularly this season, there seems to be a much stronger continuity from RTD to Chibnall than Moffat to Chibnall. And even if he is not trying to avoid Moffat, it could also be true that the Master may be pre-Missy. Until we see see the episode, we don’t know even if Gallifrey is destroyed at all. It might all be an illusion. As the synopsis for the episode says, in part, “lies are exposed”

[geoffers @geoffers]

so, my facebook feed just spoiled the return of captain jack (again!), if anyone was having any doubts about his return, for the special coming up…

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

And since it has been released by BBC America, I suppose it is OK to put it here as well

 

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

OK, having viewed it a few times, some thoughts:

I am assuming that the ethically challenged Robertson from Arachnids in the UK has been awarded the franchise to manufacture home-grown purely mechanical Daleks  by the ethically challenged Prime Minister. But since there is a shot of a Dalek spaceship (which I do not think the British manufacturing sector post-Brexit could whip up) I am assuming that real Daleks will turn up at some point. If so, sounds like fun.

However, I do hope the Doctor also gets out of gaol before the end, as I am not a fan Chibnall’s focus on the enhanced agency of the companions and diminished agency of the Doctor.

Anyway, bring on the New Year.

[winston @winston]

@blenkinsopthebrave   It looks good!  Daleks and Jack, both great for the holidays. It does look like it might be Doctor “lite” but I hope not because I need as much Doctor as I can get.

[JimTheFish @jimthefish Time Lord]

New trailer has dropped. I have to say it looks the most promising of all of Jodie’s run…

 

[winston @winston]

@jimthefish    Wow, that looks good. I can’t wait.

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

Actually, yes, this looks potentially pretty good.

Of course, the Doctor is still just introducing herself,  or asking what is going on, rather than…exercising authority. But the trailer still looks exciting.

 

[JimTheFish @jimthefish Time Lord]

@blenkinsopthebrave —

That’s a good point but I’m willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. Not crazy about those Sontarans though. Am I the only one who thinks they look like they’ve escaped from a Bill Baggs video production?

[Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent]

Well they seem to have Ood, Sontarans, Weeping Angels and Cybermen.   Wot no Daleks?

All I can say is, they better not waste the Weeping Angels…

 

[Oochillyo @oochillyo]

There is a new trailer for Doctor Who Series 13 Flux (Spoilers ahead)

The trailer is very short (about 10 seconds long) and has apparently only been released on Twitter but this link is to a YouTube Video discussing the trailer which is shown at the end of the video.

Regards – Declan Sargent

[toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/15/david-tennant-catherine-tate-return-doctor-who-2023

[Oochillyo @oochillyo]

hey everyone 🙂 how are you all 🙂

I am ranking the whole show which got me thinking, Spoilers for the next path –

Its amazing we are having one of the most popular Doctor’s back with RTD as the show runner again 🙂

Series 13 I believe is done, not sure what happens to the specials and the 60th are they Series 14 ?

In terms of the amount of Classic Who seasons we are halfway there on the modern run 🙂 back then of-course many things were different such as multiple part stories often 4 – 7 stories a season with some Doctor’s having very short runs with few episodes, now a days each series on average tends to have between 9-11 episodes up 15-17 with specials so we have more a series 🙂 greater possibility of awesome episodes, so the next 13 Series could be awesome if the Show makes it that far 🙂

13/26 🙂 total so far

Not saying its guaranteed or any spoilers about the show getting there but just be nice as the show gets closer to matching its Classic length as time goes on I think the more The BBC and fans will want to reach that milestone of having the same amount of series to seasons as Classic 🙂

I know different times but from Season 1 to 13 of Classic there was soo much changes and great ideas and the show got stronger a while after 🙂 so we could be on a new 10th/11th Doctor style era with awesome ideas back 🙂

Thats the next goal I want the show to reach, the 60th is for certain but how many more series are in the que, I hope with RTD back it boosts the show, typically we get 3 series a Doctor and special eps 🙂 I really think if RTD 2 is a succuss we are guaranteed another set of 3 making it to 19 total the start of the 5th Doctor in comparison 🙂

I am looking forward to the new journey with a friendly face 🙂 we could get soo many interesting eps and gems over these next few series and so on 🙂 plus RTD has gotten stronger as a writer and knows what was good and bad about his run so the show could be awesome, I hope this is good way to re fresh the show and keep it going at least another 6 series 🙂

Regards – Declan Sargent

[Oochillyo @oochillyo]

hey everyone 🙂 how are you all 🙂

Big Doctor Who Spoilers and rumors ahead just in case you’re flying under the radar 🙂

Near the end I talk about Shakespear in case you’re interested in that 🙂 just scroll down down down if you’re trying to avoid the Doctor Who spoilers and rumors 🙂

I was watching X Men Apocalypse 🙂 I love the X Men series and was thinking wow this is the X Men film that really shows what you can do with a big budget now a days 🙂

I was thinking about this rumor that Disney is co making Doctor Who in a way and funding it big 🙂 just imagine what a big jump in budget can do we could really shift Doctor Who 🙂

I know some people like the show with wobbly sets ect you know authentic, I just think if it’s true and I doubt RTD would be corrupted we could really unleash the bulls from the pen, funding wise the show wouldn’t be hanging on a thread compared to streaming things now a days like Chibnall said once this is a time where you have to keep up cause of streaming ect

The show could maximize each ep no more having an Earth focused episode like Boom Town to save money, you feel the drop off in budget from the first couple of episodes to stretching to the end, if this big budget is true could sweep away this problem once and for all 🙂

I also was thinking wow the GCI ect in X Men Apocalypse for the scenes such as tearing all the metal out the world and Magneto’s powers looks amazing, I understand this is an 150-160min movie and I checked the budget – 2016 it was 178 Million and yes Doctor Who isn’t getting that and money is worth less right now but if you think that’s about 4-5 episodes of Doctor Who run time at a stretch which is close to half a series but that 178 was for 1 big film made by a dominate company.

I don’t know if this rumor is about money for each episode or the whole series, I believed it was for the Whole series but looking at YouTube for the exact funding it seems to suggest each episode is powered by 10 million 🙂 so for a whole series we get about 120-140 million which is close to X Men budget but times change and I understand we shouldn’t compare it to the big films of the era who are powered by massive company’s but with a clump of budget that large even though its below most movies Doctor Who could really stretch its legs 🙂

Bearing in mind this is after the 60th which should pour in a lot of viewing and fans with the addition of the greatest writer and actor most have seen in a long time for the show, I just think if its funded by Disney which is seeming to take over everything and has become a player in its own right, going longer than Marvel film and television wise if I am right plus all the streaming packs in a lot of money which is why Netflix being one of the giants of streaming is mega rich and has all these shows and its fingertips, Doctor Who could hit the moon in terms of viewership and scope ect far beyond the peak over a decade back 🙂

I know it’s not all about money but money in funding the more you have the more you can do I believe, the more effects, high paid actors, the more concepts you can show off and the safer typically the show is unless budgets out stretch themselves, look I know it’s a scary time do we trust this Disney thing and the money rumors but if it works out I would be glad for once Doctor Who isn’t at the risk of being out competed and running out of money through each series 🙂

I am really looking forward to this run on the show as my friend noticed today and that was before this money thing, just think in a perfect Who world for millions of fans’s their show has a great writer back with the power of the 60th approaching and hopefully this massive budget allowing the show to breath and maximise each episode and that is a day of Doctor Who I look forward to 🙂

Shakespear talk 🙂

Side note after X Men ended, I caught the last 20 mins of Shakespear – The Man Behind the Name 🙂 it had Sir Derek Jacobi (who you know as Professor YANA who became the Master for like 5 mins) plus he’s had really great Master Big Finish work 🙂 and others talking about Shakespear 🙂

They talk about their believe about Shakespear’s true identity and I Googled it so this must be knowledge from couple years back ?

Apparently from what I understand this man named – Edward De Vere is the real Shakespear who later changed his name, I didn’t know of this before or it slipped my memory cause I remember couple years back at School with the 500 year anniversary right they talked about finding the identity how they believe someone else wrote all the works which is hinted at in Doctor Who as well but to a lesser extent.

I don’t remember it being this Edward man from the portraits on Google, thought couple years back it was a much older and slightly pointy headed guy so I am confused how we had this guy and then couple years later we have this New Edward, I don’t know fact from fiction now haha, from what I remember the old guy was the guy Shakespear stole the work of and claimed it as his own but it’s always been a mystery, in the show they do think that this Edward is now the real Shakespear, however I didn’t hear them talk about the stolen work claims since I only caught the last 20 mins so if anyone can find the T.V. program its worth a look and maybe they talk more about his life, what he did, was he a trickster ect ect

I wonder if Edward took the work of the old guy I am thinking (forgot his name), then named himself Shakespear.

Do we have – A Shakespear only with his plays ect , B the old guy who wrote the work but Shakespear claimed to write and benefit from, C the old man who’s work got stolen by Edward who became Shakespear or D this Edward who could be the real Shakespear and its just him

We could have about 3 people in this list all resulting in the one man Shakespear.

I always got surprised how for 500 years its always Shakespear this and he did that, King Lear based off his Son as said in Doctor Who ect ect it was always like a fact then in recent decades its shifted to is he really well real or someone who stole the work from the real genius, I don’t know where this shift has come from and it kind of hurts me cause it seems everyone now gets a bad name and what can be trusted ?

You always hear these famous people doing bad things and getting caught later on ect and it seems like everyone famous and who you used to respect has to be torn down now it could all be factual, but I am just like can anyone be good and famous ? all your hero’s and people set in history just always a twist in the tail, some of the Kings in England’s history are under speculation who were they really, was the Price in the Tower later a King so on and so on.

There’s always a desire in humanity to find the answer to everything whether that be space, and what’s dark matter to what killed the dinosaurs, soo often find the answers and people’s ideas lead to a web of confusion and dead ends were true facts become twisted mysteries especially with historical events and people, who really was King such and such, did this really happen, all these theories ect ect and you just think or at least I do it’s hard to grip what’s really the history, there is always about 5 channels on what really happened in World War such and such, who is the real Jack the Ripper, why did Mary Queen of Scots die, where is this Egyptian King berried, 2 ‘finding the truth’ about Stone Henge programs in recent years (what understandings could have changed in those few years) ect ect can we just find the fact and set it as so.

There is soo many programmes about the same topic but different you don’t know what’s real even if you were taught it in school, could the new idea all be one person’s view like my lovely History Teacher he was always skeptical of a lot of this History Channel programmes about the wars, he knew a lot and was quite scary at times but a kind heart and you just learned to value his view and distrust the History channel and all these documentaries they are meant to be made by experts and funded by big companies to put on T.V. yet my History teacher is saying they are getting it wrong and here is such and such proof ect, I’m not saying he is a bad guy cause of this, I loved him, wanted his family to visit us sometime when he was moving from our school, I miss him and was a great Teacher who saw my potential and helped me and I am not saying anything bad about him I trust him but it’s a problem with what can you know and trust for sure, always an old person’s saying don’t trust what you see on T.V. but it’s quite realistic and important to bear in mind especially now a days with news and fake news ect ect, what is real and will stay real everything changes and what you knew as fact gets shifted years later and we have the problem with Shakespear, he is such a mystery we don’t have the body but we get he was such and such and then it was actually this guy and so on and so on for decades that you just get a list of people who could be Shakespear well what was it and who was he ?

I even question this T.V. programme with respected people which must be the most modern interpretation, I just think can we ever know without DNA and time travel right it’s just a taggled web that’s too common, one of the most annoying things about History and film at school, always trying to find the right information and not a bunch of contradicting interpretations or a bunch of rabbit holes.

I know it’s always been a contention, is Shakespear a fake ect I dent know what to think, is this Edward really him did he do the work we know of ? If it’s the case I just want to believe it was tough back then had you had to get a leg up if any of these rumors we’ve had for decades are correct.

I guess the only way to fix it is to find Shakespear (would be better with a time machine haha 🙂 ) and get a DNA test like they did with Richard the III (3rd) a couple years ago, not sure where DNA leads them though cause we still don’t know who is the real guy neither have his DNA I reckon, there is ways and paths that you can find history thousands of years back and ancestors ect like the Mary Rose belonging to King Henry The 8th’s which recently (few months back) had a programme about where they found the current living ancestors of people on that boat, I just don’t know what we can do if we A don’t have a body but B even know if Shakespear existed and who he was.

I hope one day we get a concrete answer whoever it is, at this point we seem to have Edward, I still love Shakespear no matter the controversy and mystery it’s just hard when what’s fact one decade shifts the next but with Shakespear a mystery soo old it’s hard to believe the correct answer cause it could be re molded but based on what ?

I love Shakespear mainly due to the episode – The Shakespear Code which I caught when I was very young one of my first eps of Doctor Who which I’ve always had a love for since, the Actor in that for Shakespear is amazing and secondly Romeo and Juliet and Macbeth at school was really nice 🙂 big respect for Shakespear whoever he was (that’s always been a mystery) it would just be nice if we know what was concreate and what was flexible 🙂

I did stop this a while back 🙂 then I got into how it’s surprising after 500 years ect paragraph haha 🙂

Please have a chat about both topics the latter could lead us into the Night but I think could be a lovely discussion piece 🙂

Take care everyone 🙂 stay positive hugs 🙂

Regards – Declan Sargent

[Rewvian @rewvian]

@oochillyo I have mentioned my thoughts on Disney + airing new episodes of Doctor Who, (and eventually getting access to the entire AG series) and I’m still feeling a little defeated.  Currently the series is on HBO Max, and I guess I feel like it fits there because it does seem a bit more “mature”.  At the same time, I guess the new episodes lag behind a lot being added to HBO Max.

The whole factor of Disney wanting to promote the show and be involved with it probably does say good things for the future of the series, however.  So I have to concede there.  I’m disappointed that I may have to subscribe to Disney + in the future to continue my rewatch, depending on how soon things move over to the service.  Yet, I am sure some good will come out of it.  I am liking the new series logo, and I think the show will benefit from many improvements.  And who knows?  Maybe Disney will help keep the show on track and stop it from getting too Torchwood-y.

It is cool that people who are caught up will get like 3 specials in 2023 featuring the return of the Tenth Doctor.  That alone is a nice streaming mini-series.  And of course that will lead into the arrival of Ncuti Gatwa as the Doctor.

Ncuti Gatwa’s Guide to Doctor Who | Q&A | Doctor Who – YouTube

I liked Ncuti’s answers about where he would have the Doctor travel to (Africa.  Somewhere other than the usual Britain!) and which villain he would like to battle.  (The Beast.)  His favorite monster being the Weeping Angels is fair, even if they might be a little overused at this point and benefit from a break.  I think each Doctor should get the chance to confront their favorite monster at some point in their run.  I liked him saying that the TARDIS can go anywhere and will go anywhere – making me hopeful for an adventurous new series.  That might suggest a big-budget season like you were hoping for!

I suppose someone else will have to respond to the second half of your post about Shakespeare.

[toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond]

ttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/18/millie-gibson-revealed-as-doctor-whos-new-sidekick

[blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave]

@toinfinityandbepond

Thanks for that. It is certainly going to be a young cast.

As your link doesn’t work, I’m just adding it:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/18/millie-gibson-revealed-as-doctor-whos-new-sidekick

 

[Oochillyo @oochillyo]

hey everyone 🙂 how are you all 🙂

I was on a sort of holiday with my family for nearly a week with no internet, getting back wow soo much is going on in such a short space of time 🙂

So I just found out on BBC IPlayer you can find –

The Sarah Jane Adventures finally on BBC IPlayer 🙂 I am over the Moon of Poosh ha 🙂

Very happy it’s there and easily accessible, I’ve posted before asking if anyone knows where the show could be found/watched and I just felt locked out, but this suits me perfectly 🙂 looking forward to watching full episodes again not just clips and reactions 🙂 back to feeling young, have been stepping back into my childhood with soo much going on from T.V. to games ect just makes me smile how nice 🙂

Take care everyone hope you all find something to smile about and to happier times ahead 🙂

Regards – Declan Sargent

[winston @winston]

@oochillyo    That is great! I hope you enjoy watching it, I really liked it.

Your cheerful post made me smile so thanks for that.

Stay safe and happy

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